Anyone heard the Doctor Who news?

For 60 years the Doctor was portrayed as a renegade timelord; special only in the fact that he stole a Tardis, ran away and wandered about the universe trying to help where he could;
but see, to me, a new who, he never seemed like any of the other Gallifreyans. They all seemed to be, well, dicks. So the idea, to me at least, that he really wasn't one, sorta holds up. Because he was depicted as being so different from the others.

Firstly this 'revelation' contradicts many things that have been shown over the years
Like what?

And thirdly this retcon gave us no significant payoff, no insights into the character or any actual drama.
Not yet, but it opens the doors for so many different stories and payoffs in future episodes.
 
but see, to me, a new who, he never seemed like any of the other Gallifreyans. They all seemed to be, well, dicks.

Romana wasn't; she travelled with the Doctor for a time and was pretty alright. She was alright partly because she came into contact with other cultures and people that changed her gallifretan pov.

Gallifreyan society was mostly depicted as dickish because the society was highbound, isolationist and non-interventionist; they were arrogant and manipulative.
Which, well, the Doctor can be those last two things as well. But the Doctor regularly interacts with humans and they can ground him or remind him of his better nature.

Like what?

Example: River Song.
She regenerated and it had nothing to do with genetics; it was to do with the weird space-magic of the Tardis.

The Doctor has less control over his regenerations than any other time lord thus far depicted; so much so that it occasionally goes wonky and they have to rest for long periods. Doesn't really make sense if they are the origin of the actual ability.

The Ruth Doctor from 'Fugitive Of The Judoon' ( a 'past life') has a police box Tardis. But the only reason the Doctor has the Tardis is because the very 1st Doctor (Hartnell) stole it- he remembers doing ithat.
And the reason its a police box is because it was disguised as one in 60's London and got stuck that way during the very first episode (this is seen onscreen).
 
For 60 years the Doctor was portrayed as a renegade timelord; special only in the fact that he stole a Tardis, ran away and wandered about the universe trying to help where he could; he wasn't inherently special; other members of his species were depicted as older, much more powerful or smarter or whatever. The only ways that the Doctor stood out was the willingness to interfere on the behalf of people who were being threatened and his affection for Earth.

Now it turns out that the Doctor is secretly the ancient progenitor of his entire species; the first of his kind to 'exhibit regeneration' which was then stolen from him and used by others who went on to call themselves timelords.
Firstly this 'revelation' contradicts many things that have been shown over the years- including in the recent revival- which makes it bafflingly poor writing, secondly making an iconic character secretly 'incredibly uniquely special' undermines the core of how the character had previously been written; the Doctor is special because of their actions and the way they see things, not because of what they are.
And thirdly this retcon gave us no significant payoff, no insights into the character or any actual drama. Not only was it badly done, its also pointless to the character involved.

It seems obvious that this retcon was done because of current cultural sensibilities rather than in-universe story purposes.



Well that isn't true; Doctor Who has usually been at least somewhat politically or socially aware of current year and adapted to comment on things. To say 'oh the Doctor was always a man because old fashioned' in nonsense.
The Doctor was always a man because...the character was always characterized as male. Simple as that. The whole 'Time Lords' can change gender is a very recent addition to the lore; when it was added so it went on to effect the Doctor very quickly.



Again, not really. Most people who disliked the show simply quietly stopped watching. You said it yourself that its a 'vocal minority' whining about women; vocal miniority's can be ignored easily enough; if it were just a matter of them then there would be no issue.
Falling ratings and poor stories are what did Jodie in, not the haters.


A case in point many people really like Missy (a gender-swapped Master) and had no problem with the character because of how well she was written.
On the other hand people on twitter who praised the Doctor becoming a woman didn't actually bother to tune in and watch the show because, in reality, they don't really care about it and this sci-fi is stupid...but if it correlates to some political belief they have- the catch-all that is 'diversity' is enough- then their happy. Other people being unhappy is just a nice bonus for them.

That's spliting hairs to me. Its pretty obverous than if a character can transform into anything within reason than that includes a woman. Maybe that side has only been played up recently, but its in the genre and the DNA of the show. Even if it wasn't that would still be no excuse not to move with the times. All this fuss over a female doctor really baffles me and is so behind the times.

If they stopped watching it then why do they keep moaning about it? If your going to quit something then quit it. Sadly not because we live political times where extreme right groups are giving voices to these losers and with the internet they have more power than before. It may well be a minority, but still way too many considing its 2021.

I don't think you should assume things you have no way of backing up. How do you know they don't watch the show? At the time I approved of the casting, and didn't watch any of her episodes, but that's because I'm not a Doctor Who fan anyway. The problem is its the people who are being anti-female doctor who are making it political. The rest of us see it as being the way it should be. Also you can argue that the choice to make the Doctor female was because of the culture? My response to that would be, And that's a bad thing why? TV and culture should respond to what's happening in the world. Again its called moving with the times. Chances are as things progressed they would have cast a female doctor at some point anyway.
 
Likewise there's been a vocal minority who just can't accept a female in a role which has normally been taken up by men. And lets been clear on this the nature of Doctor Who as a genre show and the Doctor as a character means there is no reason why it shouldn't be a female. The argument that it should stay male because it has always been is just so weak and counter productive. The reason it had been male for so long is because they didn't move with the times. BTW so of the anti-female Doctor crowd are not the nicest people either.

Good Doctor or not Whitaker has been treated horribly. My guess from what I've heard is that a lot of the blame does go on the writer. In some ways this is a bit of a non-story. Having been the Doctor for five years Whitaker probably due to leave anyway. People celebrating it online I think is a bit nasty.

To start with it is not a vocal minority. The overwhelming majority rejected the idea hence why it collapsed in the viewers and Jodie is regarded as the worst Doctor and Pissy Missy the worst Master.

Second I find it funny that you would say the arguments against a female Doctor are poor, when you're saying the Doctor should be a woman because it is a genre show? What the hell does that have to do with changing the characters sex? A character can change sex in a non genre show too you know, and if you are saying "well it's far fetched and so that means it wouldn't look out of place." I have to say that type of thinking is the absolute worst to have for any genre series. That basically means you can do anything stupid and far fetched, regardless of whether it fits or not because hey it's sci fi so who cares about taking it seriously?

Also Whittaker has brought a lot of the criticism on herself not just with her AWFUL performance, but her smug, condescending and superior attitude. This is a woman who said that people who didn't want a female Doctor's mothers would be ashamed of them, who said the old show only ever celebrated the male gaze and who deliberately didn't do any research for the part stating that it was just a man, so it didn't matter to her.

Added to that she also I don't doubt was partly responsible for the show being so overtly political. There is an interview she took before taking on the role where she said she would never take on roles that didn't allow her to air her politics and that actors have a moral duty to oppose Brexit.

Added to that she also managed to insult just about ever bloody female hero from Buffy to Xena, or every major female entertainer by saying that for so long women aren't allowed to do good things in tv shows and films, that they just stand at the side and that's why the female Doctor will change things.

Also the idea that DW didn't hire a woman in the role because it was behind the times is utterly laughable.

From 1980 to 2010 the show was produced by gay men, both of whom were reasonably left wing, both of whom were open about their sexuality in less understanding times, where as flamboyant as could be. One of them JNT even used to dress up as a woman at some conventions.

The Doctor was seen as a gay icon for decades FFS.

The reason they didn't cast a woman was because like I said the Doctors were all meant to be the same person under their new face. The whole point was to get someone who would be different in some ways, but not so much that you could never buy it was William Hartnell, the first Doctor under the new face. Regeneration was all about a balance, a way of keeping the old character alive, but allowing him to refresh himself once in a while. It was called renewal as well as regeneration.

People always hated it when the template of the character of the Doctor was messed around with. I and many other classic fans hated the idea of the Doctor being in love with Rose as it seemed out of character for him to fall in love with a 19 year old. Whilst that romance was popular at the time among new fans, it hasn't aged well, with most people finding it weird and off putting. Similarly a sex change is a big deal. No one is saying it is wrong morally, but to pretend that it makes no difference in terms of personality is stupid.

Tell me how would they do a female Doctor? Make her feminine and therefore jar from the previous men? Make her like a real life trans person and either want to change, or be someone that is gender neutral like say David Bowie as Ziggy Stardust (both of which are out of character for the Doctor.) Or would they do what they did and write her as a sexless, genderless character in which case what was the point in the first place?

Added to that it's overcomplicating things. What are the 13 male Doctors just flukes now? What happens when we go back to a man?What about a lot of the Doctors past relationships? It's such a minefield that really you don't need to go down.

No one has ever come up with counter arguments to these questions. Instead all they do is just use the lamest arguments for a female Doctor like the following.

"The Doctors a shapeshifter. Why not a woman." Which completely ignores the lore of regeneration and doesn't even make sense anyway. Since when did shapeshifter = genderless? Are Mystique and the Martian Manhunter genderless? Hell even in nature are Butterflies genderless?

"The Doctor can be anyone." Again not true, also I find to be detrimental to the show as it destroys the Doctors core identity and turns him into a title, rather than a character.

"It would give women a chance to be the hero." Again way to insult all the great female heroes there have been over the decades, also I might add isn't it always better to come up with a new female hero than steal the name of a male? Even when it works, tell me is Rachel Van Helsing as popular as Buffy Summers?

"Just cast a woman if she is good enough." Now this is the only semi decent argument for it, but even then it falls apart when you consider that whilst there are plenty of women out there who are eccentric and offbeat enough to play a Doctor like character, ultimately for the Doctor himself, a man is always going to flow better because of the 13 men before him and look less out of place and there will always be just as many quirky men out there.

IE for every Morgana Robinson there is a Julian Barratt.

So with with this in mind what reason is there for a female Doctor? The only reason I can see is that some political fanatics who didn't know squat about Doctor Who, saw people not wanting a woman and stupidly thought that women were being excluded from playing leading roles. They weren't. They weren't being excluded from even playing a specific type of hero, just a specific character with a specific history. Still in their usual way they just saw everyone who disagreed with them as sexists and bullied the shows fandom and even its producers until they caved.

Whilst there may be some dicks on the not my Doctor side, it's nothing compared to what the pro female side have done, from smearing people as animal abusers, telling people to kill themselves and making every DW forum a hell hole.
 
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, he doctor is a fictional character, they can do as they please. I wouldn't want a female 007, but I wouldn't lobby to stop it happening.

A female 007 will kill the franchise (though they seem to be attempting a dry run in the new upcoming Bond film). 007 is synonymous with Bond so shouldn't be passed around, but it is doable because it's a codename rather than a character. HOWEVER, if they literally attempt to make the character of James Bond into a woman, then they have no respect for the character at all.

Likewise there's been a vocal minority who just can't accept a female in a role which has normally been taken up by men.

Because the move to make the Doctor female was not a natural progression of the show, it was pandering to a vocal minority demanding a woman plays the part because "man bad". The Doctor is a male character, he was created as a male character and therefore he should continue to be a male character. If they wanted a female time lord, CREATE A NEW ONE. They could even just say that there were other survivors of the time war that got away and then you can make up new characters as you go along. Gender bending and race swapping established characters needs to stop.

As @burrunjor states at the top of the page, all the iterations of the Doctor are supposed to be the same character. The moment you start gender bending and race swapping, you start moving away from that and each regeneration becomes it's own character that has nothing to do with any of the ones that comes before. The one consistent thing with the Doctor from Hartnell to Capaldi is that he's been a white male. Old or Young he's still identifiable as the same character. Now suddenly he's changing gender because that's a thing now.

And lets been clear on this the nature of Doctor Who as a genre show and the Doctor as a character means there is no reason why it shouldn't be a female. The argument that it should stay male because it has always been is just so weak and counter productive. The reason it had been male for so long is because they didn't move with the times. BTW so of the anti-female Doctor crowd are not the nicest people either.

By that logic, there's no reason why slayers have to always be female just because that's the way "it has always been". Just make one of the potentials a trans-man then you've got yourself a male slayer. You can't say that the trans-man is still counted as a female because that goes against the whole "choosing your gender" thing that the woke mob is so fond of these days.

People celebrating it online I think is a bit nasty.

Why shouldn't people celebrate? The Jodie era, mainly because of Chibnall, has probably been the worst era of the show so far. Why shouldn't people celebrate that it's coming to an end and that there just might be a glimmer of hope in saving the show from being butchered beyond recognition just to tick some "diversity" boxes.

It seems obvious that this retcon was done because of current cultural sensibilities rather than in-universe story purposes.

Box ticking in other words.

Well that isn't true; Doctor Who has usually been at least somewhat politically or socially aware of current year and adapted to comment on things. To say 'oh the Doctor was always a man because old fashioned' in nonsense.
The Doctor was always a man because...the character was always characterized as male. Simple as that. The whole 'Time Lords' can change gender is a very recent addition to the lore; when it was added so it went on to effect the Doctor very quickly.

Agreed.

Again, not really. Most people who disliked the show simply quietly stopped watching. You said it yourself that its a 'vocal minority' whining about women; vocal miniority's can be ignored easily enough; if it were just a matter of them then there would be no issue.
Falling ratings and poor stories are what did Jodie in, not the haters.

Agreed.

A case in point many people really like Missy (a gender-swapped Master) and had no problem with the character because of how well she was written.

I have a rather mixed opinion of Missy. As a character in her own right she was fine, as an iteration of the Master, I think she would've been better off kept separate. They couldn't even call her the Master because Master is a male name. So if you have a character that you can't even call the name of the character she was supposed to be, what was the point?

On the other hand people on twitter who praised the Doctor becoming a woman didn't actually bother to tune in and watch the show because, in reality, they don't really care about it and this sci-fi is stupid...but if it correlates to some political belief they have- the catch-all that is 'diversity' is enough- then their happy. Other people being unhappy is just a nice bonus for them.

Keeping the above quote because it becomes relevant in a moment.

That's spliting hairs to me. Its pretty obverous than if a character can transform into anything within reason than that includes a woman. Maybe that side has only been played up recently, but its in the genre and the DNA of the show.

It's not in the "DNA" of the show. When the show was conceived and created, the Doctor was a male character and since then has been for over 50 years. Therefore the "DNA" of the show is that the Doctor is a male character.

Even if it wasn't that would still be no excuse not to move with the times. All this fuss over a female doctor really baffles me and is so behind the times.

It's very telling when the basis of your argument keeps being about "the times". There's nothing about character consistency or what options a female Doctor offers narratively that a male Doctor doesn't, instead your argument boils down to "Get with the times, man! Girl power and all that!"

If they stopped watching it then why do they keep moaning about it? If your going to quit something then quit it.

They did quit the show. It's why ratings and viewership were so low. People have every right to criticise when something they once enjoyed takes a nosedive in quality and they can discuss where they think the blame lies.

Sadly not because we live political times where extreme right groups are giving voices to these losers and with the internet they have more power than before. It may well be a minority, but still way too many considing its 2021.

Everything is "extreme right" to the far left. Even people on the left that don't bow down to the woke mob are seen as "far right" by them.

I don't think you should assume things you have no way of backing up. How do you know they don't watch the show? At the time I approved of the casting, and didn't watch any of her episodes, but that's because I'm not a Doctor Who fan anyway.

You've literally just made yourself an example of what @thetopher was talking about: People demanding a female Doctor and then not even bothering to watch the show.

The problem is its the people who are being anti-female doctor who are making it political. The rest of us see it as being the way it should be. Also you can argue that the choice to make the Doctor female was because of the culture? My response to that would be, And that's a bad thing why? TV and culture should respond to what's happening in the world. Again its called moving with the times. Chances are as things progressed they would have cast a female doctor at some point anyway.

Again, you're reverting your argument to "the times" and haven't come up with a legitimate in-show reason for why the Doctor should suddenly turn female. It's all "the times".
 
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Why is/was the timeless child such a bad thing that needs to be retconned?
I don't hate the idea of the Timeless Child. I hate the idea that the Timeless Child is the Doctor. All the mystery of the Doctor's life is removed and even with this, it adds nothing to the Doctor's character.
 
There is enough controversy for an episode of Dr. Who. The Doctor was from Gallifrey each new doctor is a regeneration not a completely new person. Another input is the effect of the Tardis, the life force of the Tardis is a woman so it seems okay that the doctor did become a woman, the problem was she dressed pretty much exactly the same as an early doctor. Had the doctor been the doctors daughter I'd have been happy.

Here's a thought, could the doctor go forward in time and meet an earlier doctor, his daughter from then travels in the Tardis back in time to then/now become the new Dr. Who?
 
I think one of the problems that Doctor Who faces is the long existing canon and story. The original premise being a man who stole a TARDIS, and then he's the last of the time-lords, and Gallifrey is destroyed, oh wait maybe not. They've sort of backed themselves into these corners and when they try to get out, the fans hate it. So, how do you make something new out of this show that has over 50 years of history, and not breach continuity? As a writer, I sort of feel for the writing staff, however I disagree with the decisions they've made.

What they should've done is keep some episodes as either bottle episodes or Doctor-lite episodes set on earth; these tend to be much cheaper regarding sets but can be great at fleshing out characters and relationships; for a Doctor who had three companions this would've been useful.
Why are there 3 companions? Seems like you could save money on actor salary by getting rid of two of them. I also think that sometimes a smaller budget forces the production team to be more creative.
They were modern drama writers. That's why the show looks great but feels flat in terms of spectacle and character.
I think that's a problem with the direction they're going, trying to make it more of a long form, modern drama epic, rather than what it really is, a monster of the week/investigation show.
It's not that he was a bad actor like Jodie. I can understand his popularity, but he just wasn't the Doctor. He was too conventional, too vulnerable, too romantic and too much of just a normal hero.
Interesting considering, that the 10th Doctor always ranks top 3 for fan polling. I think the 10th Doctor is plenty weird and strange, he just also happens to be charming.
Now it turns out that the Doctor is secretly the ancient progenitor of his entire species; the first of his kind to 'exhibit regeneration' which was then stolen from him and used by others who went on to call themselves timelords.
Yeah, they've just muddied the history of the doctor and timelords too much.
Pissy Missy the worst Master.
I don't know about that, I've seen lots of love for Missy, maybe it's just the actress is awesome.
The reason they didn't cast a woman was because like I said the Doctors were all meant to be the same person under their new face. The whole point was to get someone who would be different in some ways, but not so much that you could never buy it was William Hartnell, the first Doctor under the new face. Regeneration was all about a balance, a way of keeping the old character alive, but allowing him to refresh himself once in a while. It was called renewal as well as regeneration.
Well, Time Lords can regenerate as either man or woman, correct? So, why wouldn't at some point the Doctor not regenerate into a woman? I've not seen Jodie's version of the Doctor, but it sounds like the problem isn't the Doctor is a woman now, the problem is how it was handled in the show.
Tell me how would they do a female Doctor? Make her feminine and therefore jar from the previous men? Make her like a real life trans person and either want to change, or be someone that is gender neutral like say David Bowie as Ziggy Stardust (both of which are out of character for the Doctor.) Or would they do what they did and write her as a sexless, genderless character in which case what was the point in the first place
I think you handle it by showing the Doctor experiencing the world as a woman for the first time. The Doctor is the same person, always, but that each new iteration brings forth different traits and personality. Not too mention he's been around for (I don't even know how old the doctor is now) forever, and people do change over time. SO, I don't think we should hold the new regeneration Doctors the exact same as we do as the early Doctors. We've seen from new Who that the Doctors previous experience and feelings can influence who he regenerates into. The ninth Doctor met Rose, and so the tenth Doctor was someone that Rose could fall in love with. The 11th Doctor had grown old and faced his impending death (until the time lords magically came out of nowhere to grant him more lives) and so the 12th Doctor was older. It doesn't seem though, that anything Capaldi's doctor went through would have caused him to regenerate into a woman, though. I think that's part of the problem, I also think that back whenever they announced a female doctor it was just too soon in society.
 
That's spliting hairs to me. Its pretty obverous than if a character can transform into anything within reason than that includes a woman. Maybe that side has only been played up recently, but its in the genre and the DNA of the show.

Any knowledge as to how and why the idea of 'regeneration' was borne about would disabuse you of the notion that it was 'always possible' but whatever. Gender change is a topic of 'now', not any time up until now. The Doctor was characterized as male with a few strongly masculine attributes as well as some quirkier, more alien ones.

One of the problems with Jodie's Doctor is that she is written out-of-character as the Doctor by being portrayed as a bad stereotype of female; she's not self-confident or assured in social situations like the Doctor usually is; she's often full of self-doubt about her ability, she's often depicted as scared for little reason (for the Doctor at any rate), she is shown as unintentionally morally dubious and for the most part lacking in compassion.
Who is this timid, 'socially awkward', incompetent, dispassionate woman and why does she have the Doctor's Tardis?

Even if it wasn't that would still be no excuse not to move with the times.

Way to contradict yourself within two sentences; 'its this way so of course it can do this, and even if it isn't this way then the should still do it because 'progressiveism'.

If they stopped watching it then why do they keep moaning about it? If your going to quit something then quit it.

1) Many people did exactly that; they stopped watching because of the poor writing and characterization.
2) Have you ever really been a big fan of some long-running show and had it change in a way you thought was fundamentally wrong? Be honest, did you just go 'oh well, I guess this isn't for me anymore', quietly switch it off and go on your merry way? Or, this being the age of internet, did you go online to discuss why this thing you loved is no longer as good as it used to be with other disgruntled fans?
3) There is not one thing wrong with the idea of a passionate, engaged fan-base for any kind of show because it is born of love of that show. Reading the above is actually breath-taking in its ignorance, especially given that we're actually on a discussion board for a long-departed TV show.
4) You're not even a fan of the show, why are you banging on about it and whinging on about people complaining about it? See how that works? By talking about the outliers and making them bigger than they are about a show you don't watch or care about. Baffling.
5) Being so dismissive of others feelings isn't really progressive now, is it?

Sadly not because we live political times where extreme right groups are giving voices to these losers and with the internet they have more power than before. It may well be a minority, but still way too many considing its 2021.

Ah yes, the ever present yet often elusive forces of the monolithic far-right; all big fans of a left-leaning family show on BBC. *eyeroll*

I don't think you should assume things you have no way of backing up. How do you know they don't watch the show? At the time I approved of the casting, and didn't watch any of her episodes, but that's because I'm not a Doctor Who fan anyway.

Just...drinking in the irony of this statement. Not a shred of self-awareness.

The problem is its the people who are being anti-female doctor who are making it political.

You just pointed a finger at but-hurt fans and said they're all far-right because gender-change lol.

And no, the show has always been political especially in its current run; its 'in the shows DNA' so to speak. The recent run has had a few 'message episodes' just like it always has had'; the difference now is that that these episodes are obvious political messages masquerading as poorly written sci-fi. i.e bad entertainment.

And finally no, the shows marketing was expressly political 'its about time', smashing a literal glass ceiling, etc. Expressly feminist messaging and therefor political.
Whihc is again, weird because within a season it will turn out that this version Doctor wasn't even the first female one (males Jodie much less of a big deal), in fact once upon a time she was a little girl of colour who fell and died and regenerated.

Unfortunately the messaging of the episode seems to be that she kept on dying until she evolved into an old white man who finally had the sense to get the hell out of Gallifrey lol.

The rest of us see it as being the way it should be. Also you can argue that the choice to make the Doctor female was because of the culture?

There is no 'the rest of us'; unless you're including the 'people who don't care about or watch the show but comment on it anyway because left-wing politics'. The rest of us will actually carry on with debate and discussion thanks.

As for the cultural aspect; because many progressives want more female presentation anywhere and everywhere and that's all they care about, not good writing, art or entertainment.
They also claim that there is no so thing as biological sex; so let's make a 'trans Doctor' or whatever (the Timeless child thing makes this explicit by the way). It suits their world view but no, progressives are not 'culture' by any stretch. In fact they are the loudest screeching haters on the internet.

My response to that would be, And that's a bad thing why?

Because the obsession with progressiveism is harming art in general and film/television in particular? That the need to make political points with a TV show has resulted in a well below average show? That more 'diversity' had let to more low quality writers and actors onto the show.

TV and culture should respond to what's happening in the world. Again its called moving with the times.

No it isn't not even remotely. We do not change for the sake of change or for the nebulous idea of 'moving with the times'; we change the things that don't work and make them better.
This has not happened here which is the reason for all the disappointment, exasperation and yes, anger to a degree.


Why are there 3 companions? Seems like you could save money on actor salary by getting rid of two of them.

Historically the use of companions has been a good way to ease fans into excepting a Doctor character-change; bridging the gap between the different eras as it were. People forget that well before Jodie-era that Doctor changes were always a gamble for the show because fans got used to 'their' Doctor and didn't want that to change into somebody they might not like.
Tom Baker's Doctor was saddled with three companions by the time he regenerated precisely because he was the longest running version up until that point, so the writers wanted familiar faces around him to soften the change to Davison's Doctor (my personal favorite).


In the modern era? No clue why they crammed the show so full. Some say 'forced diversity' and there is an element of that; Tosin Cole's character is seemingly given a disability (dyspraxia) because representation, given that its rarely if ever brought up, and sometimes even contradicted.

But- to be generous tot he writers- I think they wanted the focus to be off the Doctor for a while and on 'small stories' with the companions. There would be no large seasons-long character arcs about timewars or the Doctor getting a wife or shadowy forces targeting the Doctor or whatever.

And many could appreciate that if the small stories were competently told or engaging in any way but they amount to: 1st episode 'you're not my real dad', last episode 'I love you, Dad' or 1st episode 'my wife is dead' and last episode 'I will avenge my dead wife...actually no I won't because the Doctor says killing is bad, so I'll just trap my enemy in eternal torment because morally correct!'

But the next season was nothing but 'the timeless child' mystery and the writers couldn't do that either...
 
I think one of the problems that Doctor Who faces is the long existing canon and story. The original premise being a man who stole a TARDIS, and then he's the last of the time-lords, and Gallifrey is destroyed, oh wait maybe not. They've sort of backed themselves into these corners and when they try to get out, the fans hate it. So, how do you make something new out of this show that has over 50 years of history, and not breach continuity? As a writer, I sort of feel for the writing staff, however I disagree with the decisions they've made.

Why are there 3 companions? Seems like you could save money on actor salary by getting rid of two of them. I also think that sometimes a smaller budget forces the production team to be more creative.

I think that's a problem with the direction they're going, trying to make it more of a long form, modern drama epic, rather than what it really is, a monster of the week/investigation show.
Interesting considering, that the 10th Doctor always ranks top 3 for fan polling. I think the 10th Doctor is plenty weird and strange, he just also happens to be charming.
Yeah, they've just muddied the history of the doctor and timelords too much.
I don't know about that, I've seen lots of love for Missy, maybe it's just the actress is awesome.
Well, Time Lords can regenerate as either man or woman, correct? So, why wouldn't at some point the Doctor not regenerate into a woman? I've not seen Jodie's version of the Doctor, but it sounds like the problem isn't the Doctor is a woman now, the problem is how it was handled in the show.
I think you handle it by showing the Doctor experiencing the world as a woman for the first time. The Doctor is the same person, always, but that each new iteration brings forth different traits and personality. Not too mention he's been around for (I don't even know how old the doctor is now) forever, and people do change over time. SO, I don't think we should hold the new regeneration Doctors the exact same as we do as the early Doctors. We've seen from new Who that the Doctors previous experience and feelings can influence who he regenerates into. The ninth Doctor met Rose, and so the tenth Doctor was someone that Rose could fall in love with. The 11th Doctor had grown old and faced his impending death (until the time lords magically came out of nowhere to grant him more lives) and so the 12th Doctor was older. It doesn't seem though, that anything Capaldi's doctor went through would have caused him to regenerate into a woman, though. I think that's part of the problem, I also think that back whenever they announced a female doctor it was just too soon in society.

Sorry not sounding arrogant, but have you seen any of the classics? A lot of your post suggests you haven't as there is some misinformation.

Canon isn't that big a deal for DW in the sense of whilst you should stick to it whenever you can, you don't need to reference it most of the time. The Doctor can travel anywhere to any planet, so you could theoretically invent hundreds of different worlds for him to explore that have nothing to do with previous stories. Even stories set on earth, you can do a historical and not have to reference past stories. Similarly you can even set a story in the future, just don't give the exact year and don't do anything like blow up the earth which we've already seen and you're golden. Hell even if you want to do that, just make it a planet one group of humans have moved too and you can do the same story.

The only time you mention continuity is if you bring back an old foe, which you should do now and again. Even then you don't have to always reference past stories, just write them in character and stick to the lore. Also you should follow continuity the way any show does, IE develop characters over time, have things that happen to them matter etc.

Other than that though DW shouldn't actually be slave to it, but the problem with the new who writers is that they weren't prepared to do even the bare minimum, IE write old characters in character, follow on any stories, even the ones that they built up, so they peddled this bullshit that DW is all about change, it has no canon, to cover their tracks. Sadly even they came to believe it, and now we have this ludicrous idea that in order to do good DW you have to go back and rewrite continuity and lore all the time.

The result is that ironically there are no new stories or monsters just pointless rewrites of the shows past to try and be fresh. Doctor Who could easily be new and fresh if it just focused on telling good sci fi stories. That's all there is too it.

Missy is not popular. For a while people were scared to say she was crap because she was a woman and they'd get called sexist. Ask the majority of classic era fans and they will say she was the worst. Viewers also crashed when she was in the show, though it wasn't just because of her, she was a part of it.

Missy is the single worst version of any long running character I have ever seen. She has absolutely NOTHING in common with the Master. Mind you John Simm didn't either, but at least he still fulfilled the basic role of being an enemy to the Doctor. Missy didn't even have that. She was utter shit.

The 10th Doctor meanwhile is popular, but that doesn't mean he was good for the show in the long run. The Tenth Doctor was popular for the same reason that Buffy is popular. He was a young, cute hero, that little girls could fancy and want to hug and help, and that little boys could imagine themselves as. He was despite being an alien more accessible as a role model to little boys than say Batman as he was skinny, nerdy, awkward etc. He was also a more accessible pin up for little girls, again being more cute, nerdy and loving.

Again Buffy is just that but in reverse, IE she's a more accessible hero for little girls, one little boys can fancy, who's more of a girl next door than say Wonder Woman etc. Obvs that type of hero will always be popular, but again that's NOT what the Doctor should be. The Doctor should be alien, distant, mysterious, and above all else a chance for an unconventional actor to be the leading man. That's what helps him stand out from other heroes.

Guys who play the Doctor would either be bit parts, comic relief's or villains in other heroes stories.

Also Time Lords changing gender was something that was only added in by Steven Moffat for a political agenda. Basically and it annoys me the way this is overlooked. (I've been banned from about 5 DW sites just for bringing this up.) Steven Moffat was viciously slandered by SJWs for years for the pettiest of reasons. They accused him of being a misogynist, a homophobe, they even accused his scripts of promoting sexual assault.

So he pandered to them, and one of the ways he did it, was to make gender bending time lords canon. It still jars with everything that came before though, as for almost 50 years we saw dozens of time lords regenerate, we saw time lords use up all of their regenerations and not once did they change gender. Then there is the fact that they had gendered personalities, names etc.
 
Let's drop the political talk from this discussion, please.

Well, Time Lords can regenerate as either man or woman, correct? So, why wouldn't at some point the Doctor not regenerate into a woman? I've not seen Jodie's version of the Doctor, but it sounds like the problem isn't the Doctor is a woman now, the problem is how it was handled in the show.

Absolutely. Though I think there still would have been problems, like what was said above about the Doctor being a man and suddenly becoming a woman changes who they are because women and men are different. But they could have made a watchable show with a female Doctor. The problem with what they did (other than the awful writing in general and terrible acting) is that they made this massive change to a person, and then didn't actually deal with it. A man becoming a woman is a massive change, but they never showed any of that. The Doctor just kept on keeping on. Even when 9 regenerated into 10, he had an identity crisis. But he becomes a she and there is no internal conflict about that? And then there's the fact that they didn't actually make the Doctor female. They had a woman playing a man, a bad parody of earlier Doctors. If you're going to make the Doctor female, make her female.

I think you handle it by showing the Doctor experiencing the world as a woman for the first time.

Which they did not do, at all.

I also think that back whenever they announced a female doctor it was just too soon in society.

I disagree. There is always apprehension and dislike of changing the Doctor. I didn't want Tennant, I didn't want Smith, I didn't want Capaldi, I didn't want Whittaker. I didn't want Michelle Gomez replacing John Simm. But if it's done competently, you get over it. Fans would have accepted a female Doctor after a few episodes, if those episodes weren't terrible. If the actress wasn't terrible. Sacha Dhawan was great as the Master - the only good thing about Chibnall's series. I got over not wanting Gomez replaced, because he is a competent actor.

I wasn't diametrically opposed to a female Doctor, but I felt at the time they started talking about it that it was targeted decision because of the backlash against the Doctor-Companion "romances". That it was like, "Oh, you don't like when the Companion is in love with the Doctor? Well then, we'll just make the Doctor female." So I didn't have confidence that it was for story reasons. Also they had just done Missy, so it seemed like bad timing. I didn't like Broadchurch but since so many people do by the time the regeneration actually happened, I wasn't "mad" about it anymore. I figured it would be more Capaldi-level Doctor, which I could live with. I was not prepared for how bad it was. It was so bad. I really think if you haven't seen it, you can't understand lol. It wasn't just "not as good". I would rather watch the US Being Human than this. 'Nuff said.

One of the problems with Jodie's Doctor is that she is written out-of-character as the Doctor by being portrayed as a bad stereotype of female; she's not self-confident or assured in social situations like the Doctor usually is; she's often full of self-doubt about her ability, she's often depicted as scared for little reason (for the Doctor at any rate), she is shown as unintentionally morally dubious and for the most part lacking in compassion.

This. I mean, when a Companion tells the Doctor that they are afraid their cancer is going to come back, and she blows him off completely - that is not the Doctor. Not remotely.

Fans will forgive a lot, even with canon stuff, but you have to respect the show. Your goal cannot be giving a giant middle finger to the show's fans and then expect them to keep watching. Just because the Doctor is female, that doesn't make the storyline good or well-written, it doesn't make the lead (or the Companions) a good actor. We have to stop just thinking things are good because of demographics or because there's a "message" and actually hold things to some sort of standard. Because they'll keep giving us lazy crap like this until we do.

I also find it insulting that they think they needed to make the Doctor female for there to be a female hero on the show. Wasn't Rose a hero? Wasn't Martha? (Even though everyone hates her but me) Clara? Sarah Jane? They are more worthy of hero-worship that the 13th Doctor ever was.
 
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I just got banned from another Doctor Who site for daring to criticise Missy.

I honestly have never hated a character as much as I hate Pissy Missy. Everything about her is hateful.

1/ The fact that she only happened to placate the most awful bullying side of the fandom.

2/ The fact that if it weren't for her, Pisstaker wouldn't have happened.

3/ The AWFUL, AWFUL, AWFUL performance from Michelle Gomez.

4/ The fact that she completely threw away and destroyed the entire character of the Master and made it a total joke.

5/ The fact that Steven Moffhack only hired her because she was his friend.

6/ The fact that he got away with that travesty because what came after, Pisstaker was so toe curlingly bad people forgot about Pissy Missy.

7/ The fact that the political fanatics who praise her seem to be charge of every DW forum and ban people who dislike the shitstain of a character, smearing them as racists, homophobes, transphobes etc.

I hate, hate, hate, HATE Missy so ****ing much.
 
I just got banned from another Doctor Who site for daring to criticise Missy.

They never should've made Missy the Master, especially when they couldn't even call her the Master. It's like how they tried to ruin Drusilla in the Boom Buffy comics. They made her the Master but then couldn't call her the Master so she became The Mistress.

"Mistress" is not the "Master"!

Is this the only place you can discuss Doctor Who freely? Lol.
 
They never should've made Missy the Master, especially when they couldn't even call her the Master. It's like how they tried to ruin Drusilla in the Boom Buffy comics. They made her the Master but then couldn't call her the Master so she became The Mistress.

"Mistress" is not the "Master"!

Is this the only place you can discuss Doctor Who freely? Lol.

Yep.

I've calmed down a bit now LOL.

For the record I don't have anything against Michelle Gomez who from I hear is a bit of a Ducky and is good in other things. It's just that what annoys me about Missy is that she really isn't even remotely like the Master. The Boom version of Drusilla is bad, but at least superficially she's like Dru, IE in a relationship with Spike.

Missy literally has nothing in common with the Master, and worse because she's larded onto him, then a lot of the fanatics who like her are going back and rewriting his past to make her fit. Seriously I got banned from TV Tropes of all places for putting factual information on their article about the Master, because it didn't line up with the revisions they'd put in to make the character fit in with Missy.

I wouldn't mind a non faithful version of the Master if A/ they admitted it, or B/ did it in a remake.

However because she is the first female Master, then they say she is brilliant no matter what. Her defenders can smear you as a sexist and people go along with it because they are afraid of being called that. Wingy Media a DW youtuber even admitted to me that he deleted a video about a female Doctor because he got abused too much for being a sexist, and not surprisingly in a later video he didn't put Pissy Missy at the bottom of his Masters list, despite his dislike of her.

As a result we might as well not bother trying to do any proper versions of these characters anymore. If all that matters is political agenda, then okay I'll do a version of Batman who is a Scottish nationalist as I support Scottish independence, and I'll say that anyone who doesn't like him is anti Scots, and then that will be that.

Not only will you all have to say that he is the best Batman, and get banned and smeared as hating Scots people if you don't agree, but you'll have to go back and start rewriting previous Batman stories to make him a Scots nationalist so my version wouldn't look like the politically motivated shit show that it was.

It's actually really depressing, even beyond just DW something you like being messed with as it shows you how bullies do always get their way.
 
I just got banned from another Doctor Who site for daring to criticise Missy.
Pissy Missy
Pisstaker
The fact that the political fanatics who praise her seem to be charge of every DW forum and ban people who dislike the shitstain of a character, smearing them as racists, homophobes, transphobes etc.
Racking up multiple forum bans might have more to do with the aggression of your posts than the political leanings of various unconnected moderators.
 
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I saw his banned tirades over at Gallifrey Base. It had nothing to do with politics. I staunchly consider the Doctor intrinsically, identifyingly male/masculine. I nevertheless accepted Missy, as the insane Master always had bizarre regenerations.
Only problem with that is that it comes after I've been smeared as a sexist, a racist, a homophobe for daring to criticise the above mentioned rubbish.

This is normally how it goes on a DW forum. I won't name names so as not to get us into trouble.

1/ I show up, I get along fine for a while.

2/ I mention my dislike for the way the show is going now and the SJW pandering.

3/ Some obnoxious Jodie era or Missy fan tells me there is no pandering often in a condescending, smug, arrogant tone. I respond with proof and back up everything I say, they then just call me alt right, a conspiracy theorist or a racist.

4/ I get angry in response and then the supposedly impartial moderator who doesn't care either way comes down against only me, tells only me to reign his behaviour in or else I'll get banned.

5/ The other posters who agree with the SJW will start to follow me everywhere, try and pick me up on anything else I say, and make me into the forum clown, and they will always, ALWAYS dogpile on me.

6/ I'll get dragged into a stupid debate with them, after which one of them will do a "I want to speak to the manager". And I'll get banned for life, but not before being insulted one last time.

These are some of the things that have been said to me on other forums before I got banned.

"World's angriest Scot should get some therapy."

"Kill yourself, kill yourself white boy today."

"You've been banned because you are a stupid prick."

"Would anyone miss him if I banned him? Does anyone here like him or want him to stay here?"
 
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