Anyone Wanna Talk Firefly/Serenity

Hooray, we've got another Browncoat for Buffy Boards...and incidentally; love your av. That's River, right?

You know what might be a fun way to find interesting Firefly/Serenity sites? Go to Whedonesque.com. They have a Serenity Archive with links to sites that offered noteworthy stuff pertinent to Firefly/Serenity.

My favourite are the Blogs. Expecially Jewel Staite's. I'm a Jewel Staite fan.
 
Yup thats River. Im a fan of skinny long-haired brunettes it appears. But yeah Jewel is great as well. Speaking of Jewel i'm surprised she had to gain weight for the role, she seems perfectly-weighty to me (and by that I mean shes looks not very skinny or fat obviously). Made an MSN icon for her as well, with the umbrella of greatness:

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I've found a few good Firefly sites but I want a decent forum, grr. Ta for the suggestion though.

Im really looking forward to Serenity, although it comes out when im at uni and woah thats a scary thought.
 
Welcome to the fold, Xander.

The more people we win over, the better Serenity's box office will be and then we'll see (maybe even a second run on the small screen?)
 
Xander said:
I've found a few good Firefly sites but I want a decent forum, grr. Ta for the suggestion though.

Oh oops damn. I just posted one, then I remembered it was against the rules. You can find them the way I suggested though.

There's one where the celebs and crew drop in.
 
I've been watching Firefly since November when It was repeated on Sci-Fi. I also got the DVDs this Xmas! I've been swept up into it! It really is a great show. I particuly like the Simon and River storyline 😀 And also "Objects in Space" and "Ariel" have to be my favourite episodes by far...looking forward to the film!

And I love Simon...he's just so pretty!
 
See I knew you had got it for xmas so I was waiting for you to post here.

I made a wallpaper of the initial Simon/Early scene but have yet to bother to post it anywhere. Think you'll like it, features Simon without a shirt on.
 
Xander said:
I made a wallpaper of the initial Simon/Early scene but have yet to bother to post it anywhere. Think you'll like it, features Simon without a shirt on.

Shirtless Simon!!! *eyes pop*

I would of posted here earlier but I've been in Tunisia for the past two weeks! I took my portable DVD player with me and I chose taking my Angel Season 4 DVDs over my Firefly DVDs! *hangs head in shame* LOL
 
I think I'm gonna get the Firefly series on DVD. I think I saw two episodes when first aired. Couldn't figure out when it was on (thankyou FOX). I guess I understood the setup well enough. I know I'll find something to like with anything Joss is writing. And I like the actors. This Joss guy could probably create an entire series set in an elevator and It would be worthwhile.

I never liked the Western genre. Too earthbound or mundane or something. I have dim memories of Lone Ranger and Cisco Kid reruns on sunday mornings. Seems like Joss is pushing the geek genre factor to the edge with this combo. Sometimes you mix things together and it's a tasty new drink. Or it could be like oil and...peanut butter or something. I guess Star Wars is arguably a Western, without all the trappings, cowboy hats.

I should get this, right? If I like Joss's characterizations and dialogue? I think I know what your gonna say but...
 
I'm not a fan of the spaceship part of sci-fi, nor a particular fan of westerns, but Firefly does make it interesting. We don't see people sitting around chewing and going "I rekon we got ourselves some trouble". I do really suggest it though, its a great series.
 
The only real problem I had with Serenity was the main season story arc of River and the Doctor took too long to get going, and once it did finally kick in, and start to get interesting, Fox of course, cancelled the Series.

Plus I would have liked to have seen more Reavers. 🙂

Apparently both problems are going to be solved with Serenity: The Movie though, and until that time we've got Firefly.

A good thing about Firefly is that it's typical Joss in that it seems to get better the more times you rewatch the episodes.
 
Yeah, you know, I think the most interesting fantasy and sci-fi is grounded in a very real, earthly setting. Reality is just slightly tweaked and you've got that weird juxtaposition of the two things. Freakier and more relatable too.

Same with buffyverse monsters. The more "human" looking ones were the most horrifying. You could still sense something like humanity in them, yet not"”yuck! Like when they retooled the Oz werewolf design. He went from being a coyote that could stand upright to a more human-looking, freakier thing.

So I guess so long as Joss keeps the characters real and involving, all's well with Firefly or anything else. I think I'll get it as prep for the movie if nothing else. Thanks you guys.
 
Joss Whedon, director of the upcoming SF movie Serenity, told fans that he will oversee a three-issue Dark Horse series of Serenity comics as a prequel to his upcoming SF movie of the same name, based on Fox's canceled SF western series Firefly. "Dark Horse is putting out a three-issue prequel to the movie Serenity that will sort of bridge the show and movie for some people," Whedon, an avowed comic fan and creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, told an audience at WonderCon in San Francisco on Feb. 19. "That's going to be coming out starting in the summer. ... It's going to be written by Brett Matthews [who authored Dark Horse Angel comics] from a story we're working on."

Whedon added that each issue will have three variant covers drawn by different prominent comic artists, featuring all nine principal Serenity characters. "The first of which, of course, is John Cassaday, who will be drawing Mal [Nathan Fillion]," he said. "I have seen just a few of the covers. I called basically my dream team of artists. Nobody turned me down, and I've seen a few of them, and they're extraordinary."

Whedon also screened a clip from Serenity with footage from the film, featuring cast members Fillion, Adam Baldwin, Summer Glau and Gina Torres, and showing a robbery that is interrupted by the arrival of the show's feared villains, the Reavers. Serenity, to be distributed by Universal Pictures, opens Sept. 30. Universal is owned by NBC Universal, which also owns SCIFI.COM.

Meanwhile, Whedon announced that he has signed on to write a second year of 12 issues of Marvel Comics' Astonishing X-Men. After finishing the current run of 12 X-Men issues, he said, "We're going to take a brief respite after that and come back with another 12 and then finish up with our own giant-size ... Astonishing X-Men annual number one," Whedon said with his X-Men artist, Cassaday

Source
 
Aw no, now I'm deffo gonna have to start buying comics again...Firefly and Angel ones coming up...I'll tell Mrs P that Faith said I had to...😉
 
I've got a theory and now I wanna know what you think about my theory.

Inara is in fact Serenity. Not in some kinda holothingy like Andromeda, but on a more spiritual level. She sells her body to make a living. She's a companion. She's way older than you might think she is and well she got Mal's love. It would also explain her relationship to Kaylee, the one who takes care of her. I know Sci-fi usually doesn't have spiritual elements, but c'mon the ships called Serenity and it's after all Joss Whedon who came up with the entire thing.

I know it's kinda strange, but what do you think?
 
nerd4hire
nerd4hire
Great Theory. Leads to some interesting places.
Interesting theory JollyApe. Makes me think of guys' obsession with their cars as well.

I should probably wait to comment since I'm only halfway through Firefly, but anyways...I don't really like the genre, but I didn't expect to. It's growing on me though. Like the characters, dialogue of course. And the clever plot twistiness. Every planetoid they land on looks like rural southern California, which is convenient for the western theme. Like the silent outerspace. It also reminds me of when Kirk, Bones and Spock would occasionally land on some inexplicable western/cowboy planet. Also reminds me of the Ray Rayner Show, oddly enough:

http://www.rogersbasement.com/Rayrayner.htm

Ray Rayner was one of the last of the classic American kids variety show hosts. Think Krusty the Clown. The Ray Rayner Show was fun. And weird. It was like The Today Show, but for little kids. He'd tell you the time, give weather reports, tell you what schools were closed for snow days. Also, he'd show Warner Bros cartoons, Little Rascals and also the original 30's Buck Rogers serials. The kinda stuff that inspired Lucas and Spielberg to produce Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

Firefly is superficially like Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon. A little more sophisticated of course. I love that Joss seems to love the same Marvel comics and hokey serials I did when I was in the 2nd-3rd grade. And somehow he actually converts it into fun entertainment for adults. Can't be an easy task.
 
"”Just finished watching Firefly on DVD. This is badly edited, but I'll put it out there. I've been thinking about Hollywood, "genre" movies and the Serenity movie's prospects...

I think N4H had mentioned at one point that "nostalgia" became a more common tool of expression with films"”perhaps starting in the early 70's"”when the Boomers started to make films and the old studio system started to break apart. These directors started to self-consciously refer to conventions and styles from earlier films of the 20's, 30's, 40's.

Spielberg and Lucas were part of this goup. They were nostalgic too, yet they were going against the grain at the time"”making films that were NOT filled with overtly adult, cynical, anti-hero, anti-establishment themes. They ushered in the modern era of the "blockbuster". It was a return to movies as escapism. The modern blockbuster is built on the foundation of sci-fi and adventure serials from the 30's and 40's, and also film noir, pulp fiction and comic books. I guess you could see these directors as less cynical than their peers (or maybe more self-absorbed, childish? Not sure. Maybe the cynics are the ones that are self-absorbed).

The next generation of genX filmmakers are, in a way, even more nostalgic, "childlike", hyper-referential than those Boomers. I'm thinking of Tarantino, Rodriguez"”those who are kind of carrying on the pulp-comic-nostalgia tradition. They're even more faithful, in a superficial, visual way, to their sources. Yet, they're less faithful in that they're much more cynical, detached, skeptical of the messages in the original material. Or, maybe you could say that they're more interested in the moral ambiguity of the pulps and film noir than the moral clarity of the adventure serials. (The thing is, even with the moral grayness of the original pulp-protagonists, you sense some internal conflict. There's not much internal conflict or reflection with Tarantino, etc...)

I think you can put Joss in this genX filmmaker category, to a degree. He's somewhat cynical, hyper-referential. But he seems more open to the "quaint" ideas of morals, values, ethics"”good vs evil"”all that good stuff. I think it could be argued that Joss is actually the most faithful to the original spirit of the pulps. Plus, there's all the childlike fun of the adventure serials. I find him the most compelling because of that.

Firefly is like a good distillation of the pulp-novel, film-noir and adventure-serial. Yet it has that postmodern, overly complicated self-consciousness too.

Now, I'm thinking that true "blockbusters" have evolved to the point where they can't afford to appeal just to the 13-30 American male demo, if they ever did. It's just not cost-effective. Tarantino and Rodriguez do well, but are they in blockbuster land? Seems like modern blockbusters have to appeal to males, females, young, old"”all on an international scale"”so a strong romance, or at least some amount of time spent on "relationships" (in addition to action) is seen as vital to get enough asses in the seats, and perhaps in the seats multiple times. And there need to be broadly comprehensible, relatable themes and visuals. In America, they're most commonly rated PG-13.

I wonder if maybe the "blockbuster" target demo has been steadily declining in average age? The originator, Jaws, was not aimed at young teens and little kids, was it? It may have even been rated R by today's MPAA. As much as I love Spidey and the modern comics movies, they're kinda dumbed-down, kiddie-fied in terms of language, themes, cultural references"”compared to, say Close Encounters or even the Indiana Jones movies. Even the first Superman movie seemed aimed more at adults than kids, though it certainly appealed to them too.

It's steadily become a kid-dominated movie culture, since the late 70's, I think. It's reached its peak with the modern comic book movies and Pixar. The recent attempts at "adult" blockbusters, all the historical epics, have been relative failures. Is it that they all suck? That there's more entertainment options out there? Dunno.

I guess maybe that (despite the increasing vulgarity and abrasiveness of some music, film) the culture has become much more protective of kids and kid-centered since the very lax, anything goes 70's...

So, were does this leave Serenity? It's not budgeted to be a blockbuster. It won't be marketed as such (in terms of cash at least). It doesn't seem like kids and young teens would be its target demo. Yet, it fits the source material that inspired the blockbuster genre, almost too perfectly. I'm thinking it's going to be almost too cute, clever, sophisticated, subtle, to be anything approaching blockbuster territory. But who could say for sure? Joss is kind of an anomoly. And the grass-roots-fandom-previews may have an effect...
 
Wow, lots of points there Goldenboy.

I'm going to do a cowardly sidestep on most of them, and concentrate on the "Will Serenity be a blockbuster?" question.

I also doubt it. I think it will do well though. Better than most expect.

I'm not sure I want it to be a blockbuster, and have all these newbie experts suddenly lecturing me on Firefly lore. I gave them LOTR. They can leave my Firefly alone. Let them go play with their Bobo Fetts, and snap on their vulcan ears, to go stand in line for the next Enterprise snoozefest.

I'm already unhappy with these new guys who have discovered Firefly from the Serenity internet buzz and arrive playing dress-up at the advanced screenings. I don't like those guys? I always thought we Whedoneers were above that "Let's Make a Deal", stand in line, dressed like a carrot crap.

I just want Serenity to do well enough to insure Joss can make the sequel. I'd prefer it to just squeak in to the numbers necessary to do that. Not quite enough box office to attract any more of the lunatic fringe.

I do want it to surpass The Grudge's numbers though, because I'm still pissed at that crack SMG made about how she would audition script unseen for Sam Raimi and some no-name Japanese director, but Joss had to produce a finished script, before she'd consider jeopardizing her magnificent fame working with a rookie like Joss Whedon again.

(OK she didn't exactly say those words, but in my Whedon fanatic brain, that's what I heard.)
 
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Xander
Don't worry, you're the top Firefly brain in our eyes
goldenboy you touched on questioning what the biggest age range were in terms of audiences for blockbusters. From what I can remember from my film studies exam (which was only a few weeks ago but mondo surpressing) the highest grossing ages were equally PG and 15, with 12 very close behind (by a few perfect). Obviously theres some discrepencies with 15s and 12s as adults may go watch them, and some underage kids might but lets say mostly it will be people within a year or two of that rating. Also, this is for the UK, don't have such figures for the US I'm afraid.

While reading through goldenboy's post I couldn't help think, I wonder what a television series by Tarraninto and/or Rodreiguz would be like? I've never been too impressed with Tarraninto's work, to me its all glossy style over content. Think about what you rememeber most about his film, Pulp Fiction- non linear narrative (and the bizarre dance), Kill Bill- blood blood, japanese people and more blood as just two examples. I've not seen much (or any possibly, can't remember) of Rodreiguz's work to really judge.

Thats one think I enjoy about Joss' series', the heart of it. It just reflects my feelings towards film in general. I can watch a film for say 2 hours and if a character at the end dies sure I'm like "it's sad that x died" but when Joyce died I had tears. I had known this character for 5 years (well 5 seasons, I watched retrospectively so it was like 3 months) and that had an impact, plus of course the great writing and acting et al.

I think Joss is up there with the Gen-Xers as you put it, but is less appreciated because a) he heralds from TV and b) he had a show about a blonde Californian girl who stakes vampires.
 
I can't refrain from using the generation reference for explaining trends in American art, pop culture"”I just find it too useful.

Xander, I think we could have seen something like what a Tarantino TV show could have looked like if Global Frequency hadn't gotten the shaft from the WB"”if it were true to the dark/violent/funny spirit of the comic that is. Maybe The Sopranos comes closest to that spirit? Don't know. Haven't actually seen it...

There's something about the "Xer zeitgeist" that's style over content. Or, if there is a theme it's something like "life is sh#t, totally pointless and violent, or "life is too overwhelming and just plain bizarre and incomprehensible to do anything with". Just thinking of Tarantino, Rodriguez (his violent stuff), Wes Anderson, Spike Jonze, Paul Thomas Anderson, David Fincher....all very stylish and incredibly inventive, even ingenious. Yet, somehow, seldom emotionally satisfying (to me). I think they're being true to themselves and the times in which we live, and the results speak for themselves.

Joss has similar stylish, eclectic tendencies, yet he's more optimistic"”like the Boomer tendencies towards hopefulness, spirituality rubs off on him a bit. Maybe more like M. Night Shamaylan (though Shamaylan may turn out to be a one-trick-pony-surprise-ending hack).

Joss's generation seems to be the first whose movie makers are deeply, broadly influenced by comic books and graphic novels. It'll be fun to see how he progresses as a film director. I'd be happy if Serenity did as well as Hellboy.


This looks cool...almost wish I had cable:

http://www.ifctv.com/ifctvflash/media/ifc_pulp_flash/index.html
 
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