Are we wrong?

Kean

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This is a question that normally would result in an immediate no answer from me, I wouldn't even have to think about it. However, recently I have had several family members question me about this and I in turn find that I am questioning myself.

And so my question is this; Are we wrong for enjoying Buffy and Angel so much?

Is the emotion we feel towards the shows unnatural? Is the loyalty we feel misplaced? Should we be this invested in fictional characters? in a fictional world?

Should we be this involved in its fandom?

My gut reaction is still no, it's not wrong, not even close but I have found myself defending my interest in the show as if it is wrong, as if it is unhealthy. I admit that they're are people who can take it too far but I never classed myself in that bracket nor anyone else that I have come across here.

So BB what do you think? Have you come across this attitude, did it make you question yourself? or should we just be locked up and throw away the key?
 
Of COURSE we're not wrong! Some people may not ever understand our love/lust for the Buffy/Angel series/characters - but WGAF? We all like what we like. I've had people make so much fun of me for my Buffyness...but then again, before I was a die hard fan, I too, made fun of people for watching a show called "Buffy the Vampire Slayer". I didn't understand... I wasn't WILLING to watch it for myself to make my own decision. I just blindly laughed at others for it.

Well, now I'm the laughed at. But the entertainment value is SO HUGE, that others' laughter at me doesn't make a dent. I will forever be "buffanated". So help me Spike. 😀
 
Wow, I never really thought about it... I know there are people who take obsessions too far but I'm not one of them. Whats wrong with liking a TV show? It has good messages, characters, storylines etc. I'm a firm believer in no, we are not wrong for liking Buffy and Angel!
 
Wow, I never really thought about it... I know there are people who take obsessions too far but I'm not one of them. Whats wrong with liking a TV show? It has good messages, characters, storylines etc. I'm a firm believer in no, we are not wrong for liking Buffy and Angel!

Most people who question it only see demons, violence and witchcraft. That's the message they get from the Buffyverse.
 
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Buffanator
Heh...what's wrong with demons, violence & witchcraft? ~grin~
Angelic Slayer
Angelic Slayer
Very true, I don't even really think about that in reference to the show, for me it's moreso about the characters you know?
VisionGuy
VisionGuy
That's EXACTLY why a lot pf people here don't watch it. I love it though. *shrugs*
My personal answer is no. People are passionate about so many things in life- I actually know a person who absolutely adores buttons. As in those you find on a cardigan? She collects them and is thrilled if she finds an extremely rare one (I have no idea what is considered a rare button however) and she has them all carefully placed in a room in her home. To people outside the button fetish brigade that seems weird, unhealthy and perhaps even, you know, insane. Same for people who collect stamps. Passions vary so much and Buffy/Angel is just one of the many ones out there in the world. I mean I'm passionate about several things- Buffy and Angel just happen to be one of them. And whether people think that's quirky or not has never really bothered me.

As long as our lives do not become the show (That is cutting off all friendships, family, real life issues and concerns to forever and fully absorb yourselves in the fandom) then it is not unhealthy at all. In fact I would go as far to say it is healthy for us. When people get stressed or feel like the world's too much, they generally have no idea what to do or where to go. Us? We can escape into this world where ironically things are as unperfect as our own lives, but the characters get through it so why can't we?

Escapism is a nessecity of life, and what better place to escape to than Sunnydale?
 
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
Well-said, as always. :-)
Washburne
Washburne
Going for the "quote of the month" are we? Well said. This is what I wanted to say but never could get right. Thank you!
Wrong for liking Buffy? Nah. I mean, look at how excited people get over sports. Spend an evening in a sports bar (or even a chain restaurant like TGI Fridays) getting interrupted every two minutes by sports fans cursing or cheering uncontrollably because Beckham kicked a soccer ball or Shaq dunked a basketball and I think you'll feel a lot better about yourself for being a Buffy fan. Coming online to discuss the themes, characters, and implications of a body of artwork is, in my opinion, far more civilized than the LOUD hubbub created by sports fans in every possible public space (as well as in the privacy of their own homes). If it is socially acceptable and healthy for sports fans to act like raving lunatics over the score of some game or for movie fans to dress up like hobbits and elves prior to a new LoTR release, then certainly it should be considered socially acceptable and healthy for Buffy fans to go online and discuss the show. When we start acting like sports fans and being extremely inconsiderate to non-fans who may be trying to enjoy a meal along with some dinner conversation, then maybe we should rethink our obsession. 🙂 I'm just saying... society has a lot of example of extreme reactions to various types of entertainment. Beatlemania is a sickness. March madness is, well, madness. Buffy fandom? Hardly rates.


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As far as the demons and witches and stuff go... um... fantasy creatures appear in a variety of popular literature and art throughout history. We are no more wrong for enjoying Buffy on the TV than the Saxons were for enjoying a rendition of Beowulf in the mead hall.
 
Kean
Kean
I am one of those sports fans! LOL
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Joyce Summers
I love your contrast against sports fandom (I should note I'm a complete sports non-fan, haha)
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Lou
I often strip down and body paint Buffy things all over me and SCREAM like a maniac! Not today, but often.
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Spirit_Of_Fred
good comparisons
My personal answer is no. People are passionate about so many things in life- I actually know a person who absolutely adores buttons. As in those you find on a cardigan? She collects them and is thrilled if she finds an extremely rare one (I have no idea what is considered a rare button however) and she has them all carefully placed in a room in her home. To people outside the button fetish brigade that seems weird, unhealthy and perhaps even, you know, insane. Same for people who collect stamps. Passions vary so much and Buffy/Angel is just one of the many ones out there in the world. I mean I'm passionate about several things- Buffy and Angel just happen to be one of them. And whether people think that's quirky or not has never really bothered me.

As long as our lives do not become the show (That is cutting off all friendships, family, real life issues and concerns to forever and fully absorb yourselves in the fandom) then it is not unhealthy at all. In fact I would go as far to say it is healthy for us. When people get stressed or feel like the world's too much, they generally have no idea what to do or where to go. Us? We can escape into this world where ironically things are as unperfect as our own lives, but the characters get through it so why can't we?

Escapism is a nessecity of life, and what better place to escape to than Sunnydale?

See that is exactly how I see it too. I mean I adore Manchester United, I support them wholeheartedly. Just as much as Buffy yet no-one has a problem with that, supporting a football team is normal but not a show.
 
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Joyce Summers
Yes, exactly. It's strange how some obsessions are more easily accepted than others.
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The Arcane
Gotta give rep for being a fellow Man U supporter. It's the law... ;)
Hell no!

It's all in harmless fun (unless you are a vampire or a demon), people find enjoyment in different things and we mesh with people who have our own likes and such.

How is it wrong to like a show and discuss it and show your appreciation?

*cough* Trekkies *cough*

And I'm not saying that in a derogatory way...but I'm merely pointing out before Buffy, and probably after Buffy, there will always be something that comes along that will lead to people thinking there's something wrong with liking a show too much.
 
I had a bit of an essay going on here, but I just couldn´t get it right so I´ll give you the short version.

So BB what do you think? Have you come across this attitude
Well, people don´t know that they´re talking about since they don´t watch the show. So I´m not listening to them. As Buffanator said, people just hear the name and shake their heads. The obsession-thing has never been an issue.

did it make you question yourself?
I do question myself from time to time. But it really has more to do with my age than anything else. Being 17, I´d never do that.


should we just be locked up and throw away the key?
What should only happen to dangerous peolpe. Are we dangerous? I think not.


The only "bad" thing I can see with a Buffy (or should I say Whedon?) "obsession" is that it might take time from something else we should be doing. But it´s an obsesson thing and as a whole, it has nothing to do with Buffy. We could be obsessed by knitting and spend hours and hous knitting every day. Is that any better? Of course not. This "world" gives so many good things in return that I can´t see it as a bad influence in any way. As long as you are "ready" for the show that is.

Obsessions as a whole can be bad for you in the long run. But if you do get obsessed, the world of Buffy is one of the best there is.
 
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Lou
Well that last part....the SHOW never stopped me from doing what I "should" be doing...now the Buffy Boards, that's another story!
There are people who are just as obsessed with more "normal," socially acceptable things. One of my former teachers is one of the world's authorities on James Joyce and practically peed herself (in what you might call a fangirl fit) when they found a suitcase full of letters he wrote. I don't see a huge difference except that fantasy and science fiction aren't yet mainstream, and so people think we're stupid.
 
This is a question that normally would result in an immediate no answer from me, I wouldn't even have to think about it. However, recently I have had several family members question me about this and I in turn find that I am questioning myself.

And so my question is this; Are we wrong for enjoying Buffy and Angel so much?

Is the emotion we feel towards the shows unnatural? Is the loyalty we feel misplaced? Should we be this invested in fictional characters? in a fictional world?

Should we be this involved in its fandom?

My gut reaction is still no, it's not wrong, not even close but I have found myself defending my interest in the show as if it is wrong, as if it is unhealthy. I admit that they're are people who can take it too far but I never classed myself in that bracket nor anyone else that I have come across here.

So BB what do you think? Have you come across this attitude, did it make you question yourself? or should we just be locked up and throw away the key?


Every year, I get an invitation from the USS INGRAHAM association to join my old shipmates for a reunion. Unfortunately, every year something interferes with my going, as much as I would love to. There are no people on this planet who love to get together and talk about the "old days" any more than service men and women, especially those who faced combat together. It inspires a closeness that no one who hasn't experienced it can begin to understand. But the men and women who gather together to recall and celebrate those "thrilling days of yesteryear" don't do so to celebrate the violence and destruction of those times, we gather to re-live, if only for a short while, the closeness and camaraderie that that common experience gave us.

At the Buffy Boards, I have met people from all over the world, of all religions or no religion, of every political group, every culture, every level of education, every sexual orientation...every diverse group in the world is probably well represented here, and I consider each and every one of you to be a close personal friend, even when we disagree, often strongly but never violently, about some point, whether related to Joss' creations, or any of the other subjects discussed here.

We don't come here to celebrate the violence, demons, lack of morals, or whether Cordy's shoes are still fashionable. We come here to remember the works of a group of people who we collectively believe created something unique and wonderful in the world, and the expression of the common theme put forth in those works: that, no matter how evil, how monstrous, how simply wrong something might be, someone somewhere will step forward to say, "This is wrong, and I will not allow it to continue." And for the most part, the people stepping forward aren't superheroes, they are nerds, construction workers, street gang members, and a few rogue demon hunters. Just plain people who choose to make a difference. At least that's why I'm here.

Miss K, as much as I love arguing with you about the merits of whether Buffy should be with Angel or Spike, and as strongly as we feel about our differing opinions, I think that when we at last withdraw to our respective corners and assess the merits of our collective arguments, we both know that Bangel or Spuffy don't really matter. Buffy, Angel, Spike, and all of the other wonderful characters created by Joss Whedon and his staff of writers are only fictional characters, no more corporeal than Spike in the first episode of "Angel Season 5." Just figments of someone's imagination.

The only real thing generated by the Buffy Boards is the friendship that we enjoy here. Miss K, I said it once before, and I will gladly repeat it now. "I love you, and I'm proud to call you my friend." But don't get stuck up about it, darlin, cause I love EVERYBODY here, and I'm proud to call them all my friends. (Just you a little more than the rest)

So, are we wrong? It beats the hell out of me, but if we ARE wrong, we're all wrong together, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
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Spirit_Of_Fred
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Crazy Flakes
Going for another post of the month, are we? ;)
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Lily
i have no words for how awesome i think this post is
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Nabila
Beautiful!!!
I don't think that I love the show so much that it is unhealthy. I buy the comics as they come out and I watch the DVD's multiple times etc. I think that the reason behind us all being here is so that we can find other people with similar interests and discuss a television show that has a lot of meaning. I also think that this show can explain a lot of things that have or will happen to us in our lives and so we use it to get through things. But I also know that it is a fictional story and I do not take it to be REAL. I use it for the value of entertainment and to expand my mind. So to answer your question quickly - Just because I'm crazy ABOUT Buffy does not make me crazy. :smile:
 
I would say its wrong it's kind of like an addiction to a drug at least your not doing any harm this way.


But saying this I still think its wrong but me and my Shannen/Prue fetish will live forever 😀 lmao
 
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Blondie Bear
I have heard of the Diablo 3 thing and I'm EXCITED!
Maybe I'm just more reserved in my fandom than you guys, but I think that discussing your favourite TV show (something which I feel pretty much qualifies as an art form) is as normal as discussing a book, or a football game. Then again, I might not be privy to the secret life of Buffy-Boards revolving around drugs, debauchery and shrines to characters tucked away in the kitchen.
 
I think that Buffy addiction is lot better addiction than drugs or alcohol. This addiction doesn't do anything bad to you, only good things
 
Kemy
Kemy
Well, you might ruin your eyes watching it over and over and over...:D
At the Buffy Boards, I have met people from all over the world, of all religions or no religion, of every political group, every culture, every level of education, every sexual orientation...every diverse group in the world is probably well represented here, and I consider each and every one of you to be a close personal friend
Ok, so I´m not calling all of you close personal friends just yet. But give me a break, I haven´t been here that long. And I do think I´m off to a pretty good start.

But the thing I really want to mention is the other thing I quoted. That´s the thing I love most about this board. I love the fact that we love Buffy and having discussions about it. But it´s not the Buffy craziness that makes me stay, it´s the people. And I love the fact that we´re so different (bad choice of words) and still get along so well.

The other forum/boards I´m going to is a sport one. And boy are things different there. Since coming here I more or less have stopped going there. Most of them are just plain stupid. I get scared. But of course there are exceptions otherwise I hadn´t stayed. But in comparision this is defintely heaven. That board pretty much shows why the world looks like it does whereas this board shows how it should be. Have I told you guys I love you?

Oh, and Kean. It´s not, let me repeat, it´s NOT a Liverpoolboard.
 
I haven't been here long either and I think that watching Buffy and coming on here were the best things I've ever done. Coming on here I've made new friends, friends who actually like what I like, buffy-wise that is, not that my mates at school hate Buffy, some of them like it but they don't want to talk about all the time. Whereas if I come on here I can talk about it for as long as I like.
Like Nerd4Hire said : If we're wrong I don't wanna be right.
I completely agree with you N4H.
 
I will admit that it's "weird". I have a tendency to watch just about EVERYTHING and there's not another show that has hit me like this one.
There's not even another show that I want to buy on DVD (The Incredible Hulk doesn't count, I wanted my kids to see that.) because there's not another show I want to WATCH over and over that much.
I'm still shocked at how much I don't remember from last time.

BUT, I have two theories.
One....subliminal messages. Because everyone I know of when forced to stop watching gets some sort of strange withdrawal from it.
I know a few people who watched it when it was on but haven't since and are SCARED to read the comics for fear that they will go through the same withdrawal when it is over that they had to go through before.
The whole thing makes me wonder just how FICTIONAL Smile Time was. 😀

On a more LOGICAL line of thinking....it's Joss's fault.
I gotta give the guy credit. He didn't do the "normal" thing in TV these days and find the BIG NAMES of Hollywood (although I love Gary Sinese on CSI:NY) he found a bunch of no-names for his parts. GOOD no names, though. And then worked his TUSH off to create actual arcs for all the characters so that we would actually feel like they were our "buddies" and real people. It was easy to believe that not only did these people exist but they were actually friends and that we SHOULD enjoy watching them.
He threw in stuff that goes on in real life, but hid it behind the "mystical" so we weren't getting things shoved down our throats.
He chose to make everyone easy to relate to and understand, but in a FUNNY way.
And, I gotta say, the fact that he never recast a character and we never had to just "pretend" that some dorky blonde was Darla because he couldn't find Julie makes me wanna give him a GREAT BIG HUG!

He made a SMART show. Not a show we need a spreadsheet to figure out (Lost, X-Files), but one that was smart and also easy to follow.

That is why I adore him and the shows, even Firefly. I want a show I can "fall into" and wrap up in.
I also like, that unlike other "teen soaps" it wasn't about making sure everyone on the show had a relationship at all times. It was more about living and living to your best potential even if you falter sometimes.

And EVERYONE can relate. I find it very funny that TC and I can have so much in common, and then I realize THAT is what the show does. It shows us all that we're not all that different because we can all relate to a gold show.
 
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