As a Bangel Shipper which of these "other" ships bothered you the most?

As a Bangel Shipper which of these "other" ships bothered you the most?

  • Buffy and Spike (Spuffy)

    Votes: 34 52.3%
  • Buffy and Riley (Briley)

    Votes: 13 20.0%
  • Angel and Cordy (Cangel)

    Votes: 35 53.8%
  • Angel and Darla (Dangel)

    Votes: 1 1.5%
  • Angel and Nina (Nangel?)

    Votes: 11 16.9%
  • Buffy and Scott Hope (Scuffy)

    Votes: 9 13.8%

  • Total voters
    65
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Yeah gotta say not a big fan of the Angel being “paternal” with Buffy. I see that as a flaw and one I’m sure they could overcome. But maybe it’s the feminist in me lol. Buffy and Angel are equals. I know when he is protective it comes from a place of love but he has to recognize that she is strong and capable and he is better suited as her partner than her protector.

He can patronize Cordy all he wants she is big with the damsel in distress act.
 
Nope. Love paternal, protective Angel with everyone. It's one of his best qualities with Buffy. She needed that.

Buffy's strong, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't need to be stood up to sometimes.

She is someone who needs someone to talk to about her issues, someone to go to for wisdom when she needs gentle advice or comfort and who will also tell her all the things she may not want to hear, but needs to. Angel may be stuck at the age he was sired forever emotionally, but he still has the wisdom of his years with those experiences and perspective on all the things he is missing out on by not being human. Buffy often is in a position where she feels completely alone because everyone looks to her to lead and protect them, while Angel is the only one who faces the same thing and is actually saying he wants to protect her, even if he feels like he has failed to do so (emotionally, not just physically). Buffy doesn't want to be strong all the time. Sometimes she wants to still feel like a normal young girl who is still learning and not just the Slayer who is expected to have all the answers. Angel focuses a lot on protecting the human side of Buffy from the life of a Slayer; that's his world and he doesn't want her swallowed by it. He's always reminding her to live her human life, too. She's also feeling the loss of her father after the divorce, she can't talk to her mother about much of anything (especially when she wasn't in on her secret identity) and she can't talk to Giles about things that are personal like romantic insecurities. Willow isn't her sounding board for all of it.

Angel isn't a subordinate and he has a strong separate identity with opinions of his own. Buffy is still strong in the relationship, was the one who pushed for it at every step and was the one who began the humanizing of Angel. She is the one who ultimately teaches Angel how to be a hero and creates his desire to become part of humanity and fight for it in the first place, even if he ultimately takes his destiny into his own hands (which he had every right to do). Likewise, Buffy proves she can make the hard decisions that go against everything she wants when she has to, as well. That's why they're actual equals and he's not yet another boyfriend of Buffy's who is a subordinate follower, not a leader.
 
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Nope. Love paternal, protective Angel with everyone. It's one of his best qualities with Buffy. She needed that.

Buffy's strong, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't need to be stood up to sometimes.

She is someone who needs someone to talk to about her issues, someone to go to for wisdom when she needs gentle advice or comfort and who will also tell her all the things she may not want to hear, but needs to. Angel may be stuck at the age he was sired forever emotionally, but he still has the wisdom of his years with those experiences and perspective on all the things he is missing out on by not being human. Buffy often is in a position where she feels completely alone because everyone looks to her to lead and protect them, while Angel is the only one who faces the same thing and is actually saying he wants to protect her, even if he feels like he has failed to do so (emotionally, not just physically). Buffy doesn't want to be strong all the time. Sometimes she wants to still feel like a normal young girl who is still learning and not just the Slayer who is expected to have all the answers. Angel focuses a lot on protecting the human side of Buffy from the life of a Slayer; that's his world and he doesn't want her swallowed by it. He's always reminding her to live her human life, too. She's also feeling the loss of her father after the divorce, she can't talk to her mother about much of anything (especially when she wasn't in on her secret identity) and she can't talk to Giles about things that are personal like romantic insecurities. Willow isn't her sounding board for all of it.

Angel isn't a subordinate and he has a strong separate identity with opinions of his own. Buffy is still strong in the relationship, was the one who pushed for it at every step and was the one who began the humanizing of Angel. She is the one who ultimately teaches Angel how to be a hero and creates his desire to become part of humanity and fight for it in the first place, even if he ultimately takes his destiny into his own hands (which he had every right to do). Likewise, Buffy proves she can make the hard decisions that go against everything she wants when she has to, as well. That's why they're actual equals and he's not yet another boyfriend of Buffy's who is a subordinate follower, not a leader.
I can see your point with this, I really can, and I can see Buffy's need for this. I'm just not sure if that's sustainable for her in the long term. I just think she may tire of that. That may become a point of contention with them as well as something she's drawn to.

Back to Cordy and her lack of romance on the show: I really see this as a weakness because they did such a great job with her character development overall. Now, I don't mean to say that every female character needs a romance subplot in order to develop fully. But they did give her a romance and it failed miserably IMO. I almost would've rather had her not have one at all. Or would have had her have a fabulous sex life but no romance, or something like that. I can't help wonder if the issues between Whedon and Charisma started previous to season 4 and this influenced any of this. Just me musing....
 
Spuffy and Cangel.

Spuffy, because of the abusive nature of their relationship and failure to acknowledge the attempt to rape.

Cangel, because the writers tried to convince us Cordelia was also Angels true love and she is the only one who truly understands him 🙄 Don't get me wrong, I like Cordelia, but she and Angel should have stayed friends. They were both more interesting that way. And don't even get me started about their embarrassing dream sex scene. Angel gasping Buffy's name... Hilarious 😛
 
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Mrs Gordo
That banner though....!! ;)
As a 'Bangel sympathizer' I thought I'd put in my two cents:
The ones I don't mind:
Buffy/Riley: not intense, just a little college romancing; its a contrast to Bangel and I think its what Buffy needed. She was happy, unworried and relatively angst-free during their relationship. The ending was bitter but they ended on good terms in S6 with Riley doing what he did (making Buffy feel better in a non-judgemental way).

Angel/Darla: I like this; I don't think it was romantic love per se but I do see Darla being incredible important to Angel, how he sees himself and view his past sins. It led to some cracking story lines in S2 and 3 so- for me- it has it all; chemistry, great characterization that moves the story forward, drama and plot-twists.

Buffy/Scott Hope: *snort* I kinda forgot this happened; didn't he break up with her and then say she was gay?

Angel/Nina: Don't mind it really- it's sort of like...beige. I never think of AtS Season 5 as a great one for romance really; things are either very shallow or deeply tragic and this is the former.

And the two I don't like:
Cangel: Now- in all fairness- I always liked the idea of this but the execution is terrible. First off I get that these two had come closer on Angel's show and Cordelia has seen real depth in the hunky but broody vampire; she might empathize with Buffy's situation a bit more (really all she did was mock/belittle beforehand) and she always found Angel attractive.
The problems are two-fold; we don't really see any 'revelation' about this change in perspective from Cordelia's end; in early S3 she still mocks Bangel (it's a funny but ultimately shallow reading of the relationship) so the Buffy/empathy angle is out; why would she suddenly want a relationship with Angel if she could never see the appeal before.
Secondly- and more profoundly- what the hell is Angel thinking?
I mean, okay Buffy dies and Angel comes to the important realization that he could live on after her; Buffy could die and he would continue to exist, function and have a life; that's a good realization to have, or at least a healthy one. Angel can start to consider a future post-Buffy; at least romantically.
And okay, she comes back to life but- I'm guessing here- it seems that the reunion with 'depressed/numb Buffy went about as well pretty badly; unlike S5 'Forever' Angel probably came to the conclusion that Buffy was- emotionally at least- 'over him'.

But with Cordelia? Cordelia who- as of the end of S2- is still kinda shallow? I don't buy it and the show can't sell it. Oh they try; they make Cordelia a martyr-type early on in 'That Vision Thing' (when has Cordelia EVER been this passive when somebody messes with her? Cordy gets pissed! I like snarky, takes no crap Cordy) and then later with 'Birthday'; they set up the 'family dynamic' with baby-Connor; they call her a champion and give her her own cool demon-y super-powers, they have Fred and Lorne (two people who know Angel the least) drop anvil-like hints to the audience about how 'perfect' they are for each other. They even give Cordy a blonde bob just to hammer it all home. It doesn't work; lack of chemistry/coming out of nowhere sinks it before it starts.
I actually preferred Cor with Groo a lot more- he was her type because she was never a big one for drama (dating Xander was drama enough for her and she learned her lesson)
As for Angel; his relationship with Connor was plenty for S3 really; and he could've had something different in S4.

Spuffy: It stinks and harms Buffy's character beyond the telling of it. See most of S6 and S7 for the mountain of evidence; abuse, pain, trauma, darkness, self-hate and it gets really bad when Spike (with a soul) starts emotionally blackmailing a stressed and overworked S7 Buffy. This is 'real'? Does anybody actually have a relationship like the one in S6 that has ended in any way positive? Are we supposed to believe that it could? Urgh. Double urgh.
Anyway the poor girl is an emotional basket-case by the end but luckily Angel comes by to light up her life a bit and save the actual day. Yay.
 
Thank you for those of you who have voted but as the Backstreet Boys say:

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So far Cangel in the lead ahead of Spuffy by one vote...

Because...

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More seriously, I just don't want Cangel to happen. I just don't see it and saw it as disrespectful for earlier Buffy. And I don't think they are a great match. I would prefer Angel with Faith in comparision. And Cordy needs someone funny with sass like Xander but nicer. Gunn maybe?

As for Briley...I have learn to enjoy Riley as a character and am happy that Buffy got a human boyfriend. But Riley is just not my kind of man. Too conservative, army lover and not my type physically. Buffy can do better.
 
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I always that the writers missed out by not pairing Cordy & Gunn
Yaaaaaas! Gunn/Cordy is my crack ship!

It's actually my new thing since I have seen the light from you BB members! So let's keep Riley with his wife Sam and Cordy with Gunn. S3 and S4 of Angel would have been so much better with a Gunn and Cordy love story (no love triangle with Fred though). You can even eliminate the Connelia storytline and have Gunn be the father of Jasmine!
 
Gunn/Cordy I could have totally gotten behind. I love it in fanfiction. I prefer Cordy in the same role as I did Angel on BtVS. As a sounding board for the main character. Coax Angel out of his funk, hit him over the head when he is being an idiot and also listen to him when something troubles him. That's what family/friends do and that's what they were best at. They had the chemistry for that. But romantic or sexual chemistry, nada. They are so awkward and bumpy in those scenes to the point where it makes me uncomfortable to watch.
 
I just love a poll that exceeds 100% and devolves into some random number. 178% total so far with the votes...
 
Cangel & Spuffy

While on Buffy, Angel wasn't shown giving a crap about Cordelia. I could buy them becoming genuine friends after getting to know one another, and spending time together. But them building it up as his ONE true love whom he loses his soul thinking about when he ignored her whenever Buffy was around, just doesn't fly.

Spuffy was just an abusive mess. Not to mention, I think a line was crossed when you have Buffy hooking up with a vampire who still has no soul. Angel was a special case, being an ensoulled vamp. But we didn't need to have Buffy getting with another vampire, and a still evil one at that. She's a slayer. Let Angel stay a special case, her stay killing the bad guys rather than sleeping with them lol.

Things went downhill when they drop Angel & Buffy's relationship then have them hooking up with each others' rivals, which seem like dollar store versions of Bangel. lol

I am not a Spike or Cordy fan. I hate Spuffy more simply because I think it made Buffy look very bad / pathetic. Cangel is more of an eye-rolling annoyance, rather than angering like Spuffy.
 
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FaithLehane16
However I do like Spike.
Spuffy & Cangel as well I think...

I loved the Buffy/Angel relationship and believe that there is the one true love relationship throughout. There is always a reference to one another in different seasons etc and I think even in the latter seasons of Buffy she still has a few moments where she says how much she loved him etc or there are things brought up not directly related to Angel that she gets caught up on. It was the perfect love story that was meant to be fought for, which is what happened in S3 , that's why Amends is such a special and strong episode for me. When Buffy says she wishes Angel dead because of what happened with him/Angelus, but she can't, despite the fact of everything he's done, everything he did in his previous life as Angelus, she doesn't care. She only wants him because she knows at the same time, even though Angel doesn't always show it the best way, he wants her just as much.

Cangel was probably, I wouldn't say the worst, but it was like watching a high school crush go bad. She couldn't be with Angel because of what he had done as Angelus, and then the story line that developed in general with Cordy just made it one of those where you were constantly looking puzzled at the whole thing. At least with Angel & Darla it was an interesting and pretty good relationship (for what it was) and I would have liked to have seen that go on for longer. And Angel/Nina was neither here nor there, it was relatively normal at least but it was to short to really have much of an opinion either way.

Spike/Buffy was the worst for me though. I loved Spike when he was on AtS, and he and Angel had some brilliant moments together, but the whole Spike/Buffy thing just wasn't for me at all, the way the 'relationship' started, to what the main focus of the relationship was for a long time was a one of abuse, self satisfaction and convenience etc, which for me was sending Buffy backwards if the whole purpose of her was to "move on" once Angel had left.
 
I just love a poll that exceeds 100% and devolves into some random number. 178% total so far with the votes...
It's a multiple-choice poll. That's how it works.

At this moment there is 42 voters.
26 picked choice A - 26 out of 42 = 61,9%
27 also picked C - 27 out of 42 = 64,3%
etc.

/SK
 
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