Astronauts VS cavemen??

As I said in a previous thread, the literally endless list of variables involved with this argument make it the veritable "chicken or the egg" question. Given the conditions set up in this thread, however, (4 astronauts vs 4 cave men, all naked and unarmed) there is no doubt in my mind that brute force coupled with inate savagery would prevail every time.

Or, less wordily, the astronauts ain't got a prayer.
 
Cavemen have to work together. It takes more than one to take down a mammoth and more than one to EAT said Mammoth. In fact, I bet they need to communicate less to work together.
 
Team work maybe but cavemen would hunt like a pack...preying on the weak..i.e. the Astronauts
 
Astronauts would help each other. Protect each other, help a wounded man.. would a caveman use these things or just do the 'Brute force' technique..?
 
white avenger
white avenger
Yeah. Sorta like Custer's men helped each other.
I'm a bit confused her. Is the question your asking about A caveman and An astronaught or several of each as this thread keeps changing between them ?.
 
GATEGOD said:
I don't know. I think one on one but we keep changing 😛
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Back at the beginning, the conditions decided on were: 2 men, 2women each side, naked and unarmed. There was no decision on whether there would be any time allowed to lpan strategies or fabricate weapons.
 
The answer is simple then, as no decision was made that weapons couldn't be built, while the astronaughts were sneakily building a gun each, the cavemen and women snuck up behind then and beat the living SHH ! it [quietly] out of them, hence the cave dwellers win !!.

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Dlou444, I'm not sure about this, but I don't think Smith and Wesson made toasters. So once again while the space people started to build guns the cave people finished them off.

But on reflection I see from your comment you only mentioned the astronaughts then said they're toast at the end, so I see that you agree the cave people would win, does that mean the cave people win twice ?
 
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Lou
Assuming those Astronauts also work at Smith and Wesson and know HOW to BUILD A GUN! EITHER WAY...THEY'RE TOAST!
ILLYRIAN said:
The answer is simple then, as no decision was made that weapons couldn't be built, while the astronaughts were sneakily building a gun each, the cavemen and women snuck up behind then and beat the living SHH ! it [quietly] out of them, hence the cave dwellers win !!.
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A group of naked unarmed astronauts aren't going to have much time, if any at all, before they are overwhelmed by the sheer power of the equally naked and unarmed cave men. And if you think it's gonna be easy "fabricating" any kind of weapons at all with no tools and probably no skills, try it sometime. Just a simple bow requires a suitable piece of wood and something to serve as a string. You can break off a tree limb, or maybe even find a piece of rock with a sharp edge to use as a scrape, but what about a bowstring? Vines wouldn't be strong enough, even if you could find them.

Spears, clubs, rocks, make privative weapons, but guess what...the cave men know how to make them too, probably better and faster than the astronauts, who have grown up in a society dependent on specialized tools and complex machinery, plus which, the cave men would obviously have more skill ising any sort of primitive weapon that either group would be capable of building.

Go back to the beginning, change the conditions to allow the astronauts even rudimentary tools and some raw material, and the outcome would probably have a chance of being different. As it is...

I'll issue a personal challenge to anyone reading this who thinks that the astronauts would have a chance. Go out into the woods (you can keep your clothes on for this, just don't use any article of clothing as an aid in your work. Now, make a sharp pointed stick long enough and strong enough to be used as an affective weapon. See how long it takes you. Now, imagine trying to do that with an enraged, naked, possibly hungry and cannibalistic cave man pounding on your head with a rock.

Accomplish that and avoid being the main dish in a cave man cookout, and then come back and talk to me.
 
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Lou
I'm for the Cavemen, but I'm strippin' down and headed out now. Guess we can't use a knift to sharpen that stick, huh?
Didn't realise it but you are obviously pro astronaught, I'm not.
Why bother making a weapon with a sharp end ? A club is very effective, a short lump of wood can be thrown.
Did I say that the guns were completed ? no.
How big is the white room ?
 
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Lou
Or a rock! Rock Good! Because I'm now cold and having trouble sharpening a stick!
ILLYRIAN said:
Didn't realise it but you are obviously pro astronaught, I'm not.
Why bother making a weapon with a sharp end ? A club is very effective, a short lump of wood can be thrown.
Did I say that the guns were completed ? no.
How big is the white room ?
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As I have said repeatedly, (and I'm a martial arts instructor, so please accept my opinion in this as at least considerably more than an uneducated guess) unless the astronauts have specialized combat skills, which it was established at the beginning of this thread they did NOT, your average scientist, regardless of what kind of physical condition he is in, is no match for a far stronger cave man who is used to fighting and killing animals far more dangerous than those naked unarmed scientists. Therefore, in order to have a prayer of surviving, the astronauts would have to fabricate some sort of weapon whose use would favor a smaller, more agile fighter (read about the African tribal leader Shaka Zulu, who led his people in victory against the British empire armed only with short spears) i.e., the spear. Spears require time to fabricate, time which they would not have if the cave men pressed their attack immediately, which they most certainly would. Without the edge given by superior weaponry, it devolves down into brute strength vs unarmed helplessness. Cave man 4, astronauts 0. Set, match, and game.
 
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Lou
You two DO realize you're fighting for the same side, right?
Thanks Dlou444, I noticed that we were on the same side.
Now he seems to think that him saying he is a martial arts instructor, like him using that as a threat of physical violence will make me scared of him. Or make me change my mind ?
He just went on my Ignore list.
 
ILLYRIAN said:
Thanks Dlou444, I noticed that we were on the same side.
Now he seems to think that him saying he is a martial arts instructor, like him using that as a threat of physical violence will make me scared of him. Or make me change my mind ?
He just went on my Ignore list.
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Illyrian, I have never, nor will I ever, use my martial arts knowledge to threaten anyone. I was simply referring to my martial arts expertise as proof of my qualifications in assessing the outcome of the conflict. The only threat I could possibly carry out in this forum would be to beat someone over the head with logic and bruise them with harsh language. Hopefully, neither of us is immune to the former of vulnerable to the former.

As this thread illustrates, the astronaut vs cave men argument is merely the "chicken or the egg" quandry in disguise. As was pointed out, we are on the same side in this debate, so there is no real reason for us to argue in the first place. The members on this forum will never untie the Gordian Knot that this debate represents without actual lab work, and that is impossible here. To continue doing so moves us into the realm of another cliche, that of "beating a dead horse."

I can not speak for you, but as for myself I intend to sit back and watch someone else argue for awhile. You may look upon this decision as a retreat or even a surrender if you wish, but if, as I say one last time, we are on the same side, you can neither gloat nor take pleasure in my actions.

If Alexander the Great shows up, give me a call. (How's that for cryptic?)
 
Illyrian, I have never, nor will I ever, use my martial arts knowledge to threaten anyone. I was simply referring to my martial arts expertise as proof of my qualifications in assessing the outcome of the conflict. The only threat I could possibly carry out in this forum would be to beat someone over the head with logic and bruise them with harsh language. Hopefully, neither of us is immune to the former of vulnerable to the former.

As this thread illustrates, the astronaut vs cave men argument is merely the "chicken or the egg" quandry in disguise. As was pointed out, we are on the same side in this debate, so there is no real reason for us to argue in the first place. The members on this forum will never untie the Gordian Knot that this debate represents without actual lab work, and that is impossible here. To continue doing so moves us into the realm of another cliche, that of "beating a dead horse."

I can not speak for you, but as for myself I intend to sit back and watch someone else argue for awhile. You may look upon this decision as a retreat or even a surrender if you wish, but if, as I say one last time, we are on the same side, you can neither gloat nor take pleasure in my actions.

If Alexander the Great shows up, give me a call. (How's that for cryptic?)
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I think we could clear it up quite nicely. WA, you go kidnap an astronaut and I will locate a caveman...and if worse comes to worst, I'll nab my cousin! Everyone else....work on making us a White Room.
 
Astronauts vs. Cavemen and the astronauts have no weapons and assuming the cavemen also don't have weapons.

Plain and simple the caveman would kick the astronauts ass, definitely. The caveman was the most indigenous human. They lived with the most primal and basic instincts that we either don't have anymore or we don't acknowledge them; we try to get rid of them. If a caveman and any other human being from todays time were to come face to face in a fight the caveman would win (there would be no weapons involved).
 
Definetly cavemen. I keep asking all my mates this and they all say caveman. Except one friend who at first said caveman, then I told her that Spike said caveman and then she quickly changed to astronauts cause she doesn't like Spike. Then she changed her mind again.
 
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