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Was anyone else bored with this episode?I also didn't like when the deer came over to Willow and she killed it.Is there nobody on here that was disgusted by that?Maybe that is a part of the craft but an innocent animal was killed just to bring back an annoying vampire slayer!!I turned Buffy off as soon as I saw that.
 
True but you also have to think of it as this:

Willow was very close to BUffy. She lost a dear friend that sacrificed herself for them. She thought that bringing her back would be the right thing to do.

Also because they didnt know what the energy did to her essense so they thought she was in a horrible dimension((HELL))
 
it was black magic. Killing the pretty little deer was supposed to demonstrate that what willow was doing was pretty dangerous and not at all 'right'. that's why willow didn't tell the others about that bit, that's why that was the bit that 'buffy' taunted her about in afterlife (Did you pat its head as you slit its throat - or something along those lines). we were supposed to be disgusted and shocked.
 
FaithFan2005 said:
Was anyone else bored with this episode?I also didn't like when the deer came over to Willow and she killed it.Is there nobody on here that was disgusted by that?Maybe that is a part of the craft but an innocent animal was killed just to bring back an annoying vampire slayer!!I turned Buffy off as soon as I saw that.
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i take it from that "annoying vampire slayer" that you dont like Buffy that much.
 
I take it that FaithFan2005 is anti Buffy and pro Faith.

Traquillity.
Blood can be used in other types of magic, so what happened wasn't necessarily black magic.
The biggest joke is that Willow is meant to be of the Wicca faith, a nature based religion.

And just for the record, I liked that episode.
 
So FaithFan2005, what was your reaction.....when Buffy was asked if she was keeping some-one a secret from Willow and Xander, Buffy put her arm around Faith's shoulders saying, 'we're just good friends really'.
 
I really liked this episode. I love the begining scene when the scoobie gang has to fight by themselves. Spike is hilarious when he saves Giles by lighting the vamp on fire and just waiting with a smoke while Giles freaks out. Then "Cuppa tea, Cuppa tea, almost got shagged, cuppa tea." and "that'll put marzipan in your pie plate Bingo" those lines are hilarious. And I like when Spike and Dawn ride on the motorcycle "Let's fly Pidgeon" Also I love how Tara does the little locator spell when willow was lost. "How long have you known your girlfriend is Tinker Bell?" I just love the whole episode because it shows how much the scoobie gang would do for each other. But I understand why you wouldn't like it FaithFan2005 because if you are not a Buffy fan then you would probably be okay if she did not come back and then Faith could come in and be the # 1 slayer.
 
Personally,I liked this ep, actually its my favorite starter for any season. It showed how far they would go for there friend. Like Cordelia Chase* said She lost a dear friend that sacrificed herself for them, some one who was practically a sister to her, her family more then her own blood. Willow thought buffy was suffering in another demention, she wanted to help her best friend who had helped them out for along time now. now i dont agree with what she did hurting an animal like that, but i dont think she would have ever ever ever done it with out having to. And i agree with Yllyrian,
 
ILLYRIAN said:
I take it that FaithFan2005 is anti Buffy and pro Faith.

Traquillity.
Blood can be used in other types of magic, so what happened wasn't necessarily black magic.
The biggest joke is that Willow is meant to be of the Wicca faith, a nature based religion.

And just for the record, I liked that episode.
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I like the episode too. i said it was black magic because that's what it says, or at least implies in the show. I know knothing about magic!

eg:
from Bargaining Part 1:

TARA: Hey. You're late.

WILLOW: Oh. (too casual) I, uh, had to get that thing.

XANDER: Giles isn't around, you can dump the cryptic.

WILLOW: (nervous) The last spell ingredient.

XANDER: Okay, right. What is vino de madre anyway?

WILLOW: Wine of the mother. Kind of ... black market stuff.

TARA: Black market, you-you didn't tell me that. You shouldn't have gone alone, it could have been dangerous.

WILLOW: Sorry. I didn't ... I was careful.

ANYA: Well, it must be something pretty intense. The black market's all baby teeth and spooky fluids.

WILLOW: All I know is we have to have it to finish the spell, so, it's good stuff in my book.

or

from Flooded:

GILES: Do you have any idea what you've done? The forces you've harnessed, the lines you've crossed?
 
I think that Willow's actions had a lot to do with selfishness on her part. I could say the same for the other Scoobies. They couldn't deal with losing Buffy and brought her back for their own selfish reason. The excuse that Buffy may have been in a hell dimension was exactly that . . . I believe. Nothing more than an excuse.

It showed how far they would go for there friend. Like Cordelia Chase* said She lost a dear friend that sacrificed herself for them, some one who was practically a sister to her, her family more then her own blood. Willow thought buffy was suffering in another demention, she wanted to help her best friend who had helped them out for along time now.
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Willow and the others didn't even bother to find out whether Buffy was in a hell dimension or not. I think it was an excuse on their part, due to their inability to let go and allow Buffy to rest in peace.
 
Tranquillity
I was just saying.
I've been around various forms of the craft a long time and what Willow did I saw as normal, not black magic.
One of the things I couldn't understand was why the scoobies thought that Buffy had gone to hell in the first place. I mean Buffy was chosen, presumably by the good guys to fight the evil so logically when she died she would have gone to heaven.
 
To them the way they saw it, or at least the way i think Willow saw it is, she jumped into a portal, that a Hell god was going to use to go Home
. After finding Buffy dead, they think her spirit or soul could be stuck in that dimension


WILLOW: Her body, yeah. But her soul ... her essence ... I mean, that could be somewhere else. She could be trapped, in-in some sort of hell dimension like Angel was. Suffering eternal torment, just because she saved us, and I'm not gonna let ... I'm not gonna leave her there. It's Buffy.


I dont think she's using that as an excuse just because they lost her and they wanted her back with out letting her rest. I think they cared about her,Maybe it was selfish, but Dawn did the same thing when her mom died, And they tried to stop her because they knew Joyce's death was natural, unlike Buffy's. They were trying to help, They might have done the wrong thing but their hearts were in the right place.

And also thats why i think they didnt try and figure out where she really was, they thought they all ready knew.
 
ILLYRIAN said:
So FaithFan2005, what was your reaction.....when Buffy was asked if she was keeping some-one a secret from Willow and Xander, Buffy put her arm around Faith's shoulders saying, 'we're just good friends really'.
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I didn't like that.I am sorry but I think that Faith should have gotten her own show.
 
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