TabulaRasa
Buffy Girl
I think they wanted her back. It's possible they just wanted to believe she was in a hell dimension for selfish reasons. Try to make themselves believe. Either way, glad she came back...just sad she had to leave pretty heaven.
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DarlaFan2011
In love with Lorne
I meant in general.Like those people who are killing the baby seals for sport-those people won't go to jail.
Rowan Hawthorn
Potential
That depends on whether or not the seals are legally protected - I don't know where that issue stands these days, but in cases of protected species, they most certainly could go to jail. Not too long ago, a man barely escaped going to jail for killing a bear that was eating him alive at the time.
Either way, I still fail to see what this has to do with the comparison of Faith and Buffy.
Kemy
Annoyed Enby
Lol I know, the most self serving, self centered, egocentric Human character in the franchise.
TabulaRasa
Buffy Girl
She was saying that killing that deer was not worth bringing back Buffy the crappy slayer...SO NOT MY WORDS..not quite her words either...but what we are trying to figure out form her now is...if it was Faith who died...would she, Faithfan, want Faith to be brought back? This is the only way to do it...by killing the deer.
I still support my self...taking a wild animals life is worth bringing back a human to life. Especially one who saves the world on a daily basis.
Rowan Hawthorn
Potential
Ah, gotcha.
Well, that, plus: what exactly makes Buffy - who pretty much gave up everything (regardless of how much she may have complained,) including sacrificing her own life twice to save others - too selfcentered as compared to Faith, who:
1) stole anything she saw that she wanted;
2) murdered;
3) tried to frame Buffy for the assistant Mayor's killing;
4) betrayed not only Buffy and the gang, but humanity when she sided with Mayor Wilkins;
5) tried to steal Buffy's identity (literally);
6) etc, etc.
I just don't see any way to logically get from point A to point B.
T
TabulaRasa
Yup, tis what I think too.
BlasterBoy606
Big Damn Hero
See, I'd like to justify some of Faith's actions.
Like, they weren't ALL her fault. Yes, she should be held responsible but her childhood and Buffy/Willow/the gang themselves turned her into that, as well.
Like, they weren't ALL her fault. Yes, she should be held responsible but her childhood and Buffy/Willow/the gang themselves turned her into that, as well.
TabulaRasa
Buffy Girl
Whoa, come again? how is it Buffy, Will and the gangs fault now?
Did you forget they tried to help her? Even after what had happened, Faith told Giles Buffy killed and not her and Buffy even went to talk to her, to help her. Faith came close to spitting in her face...not literally but you know...so sorry, I don't see how this could be their doing. Faith even got Buffy into trouble stealing and Buffy didn't beat her up for it. It was her choice to follow along, and so...she got introuble. Faith had a bad life but so many people have bad lives and don't go all crazy and kill people.
Don't get me wrong, I love Faith, very much. But you can't blame anyone but her for her actions.
DarlaFan2011
In love with Lorne
If it was Faith who had died I don't think anyone on the show would do a thing to bring her back,and if someone was going to bring her back and they had to hurt an innocent animal to do it I would not want them doing it.
Wiccaness
I'm a blood-sucking fiend, look at my outfit
If faith died the entire show would be different, because at that point the scoobies have nothing to do with faith. I agree, i dont think they would have brought her back, but look at their history with her, look at what they told her and she just shoved it back.
BlasterBoy606
Big Damn Hero
No, I really believe Faith was responsible for her actions, of course! But it was maybe 5% for everyone else in her life. First off, Wesley totally destroyed her one chance at getting better. She was so close, and Wesley pulled her off and totally lost trust for everyone other than the Mayor.
Willow hated Faith and made it pretty damn clear. Also, Buffy didn't try and be around Faith at all, even in "Amends", she wants Faith to leave. They weren't supportive or helpful to her, at all. She was alone and, quite literally, had no one. I think the closest person she got to in Season 3 was Angel.
TabulaRasa
Buffy Girl
I am wondering, do you eat chicken, turkey or beef at all? See, those are innocent animals and they are slautered. Not even to bring back a HUMAN life. Just to please our taste buds. I would love to know where the line is drawn in your book??? In some cultures a dog and cat is no different than a cow or chicken. They too are killed for food. I know it sounds terrible because we have domesticated these living creatures, but it doesn't make the other animals out there any less important or special just because we don't open our home to them.
There are people who have pigs for pets, and there are people who eat pigs. It's just the way it goes. You can't think it's ok on one end but think it's horrible and stupid and shouldn't happen on another. Cause what you are saying is, it's ok to kill an animal to eat, but not to save a human life.
If anyone in my family was dying or had died and I could give a pets life to save them, I would. I think many people would too.
So, just a few things to look at. It was definitely justified if it meant bringing back a human and it wasn't just to cook on the bar-b.
DarlaFan2011
In love with Lorne
Paul Macartney said it best "If slaughter houses had glass windows everyone would be a vegetarian. I am currently working on becoming vegetarian-all I have to do is give up chicken and I am there.I think there is absoluly NO reason to slaughter an animal to bring back a human life if that person is dead then guess what it was their time,why would you wanna mess with something like that?
If I was so addicted to big macs and cheeseburgers I'd be right there with you. I'm working on one addiction at a time. I've been Pepsi free for 2 months now ^_^ Water and Sprite is all I'll touch. For me, I drank like 6 or 7 cans a day... now I eat maybe 2 or three times a day and not all of it is meat so maybe giving up meat would be easier. I doubt I have the will power but I should work on that. But in the t.v. show, hell yea, If Faith had died, I would have wanted Willow to do what she did. These things happen so many days as it's been said to make sure we .. what have something that tastes good, why not use it to save someones life. But yea still it is sick and disgusting, but if you cared about someone so much, you'd do it. I think..idk ::huh1::
TabulaRasa
Buffy Girl
If my spouse or a parent or sibling, even my very Best friend had died, I would give one of my pets lives for theirs. Everyone is different.
eww not my dog!! A deer I've never met!! okay.. now where all just disgusting ourselves ^_^ is there something else about the episode we can talk about? :lmao:
I'm so not a fan of these 2 episodes. They had a few good moments, but overall dullsville.
Willow killing the deer (was it a deer?) was quite upsetting.. it was suppost to be. If you listen to the commentary they talk about how Ally was hysterical filming it, and needed to keep taking breaks, and in the end you don't hardly see anything. The point was to show that Willow was willing to slip into the dark magics a little bit too far... which helped to justify her going evil at the end of the season etc.
Willow killing the deer (was it a deer?) was quite upsetting.. it was suppost to be. If you listen to the commentary they talk about how Ally was hysterical filming it, and needed to keep taking breaks, and in the end you don't hardly see anything. The point was to show that Willow was willing to slip into the dark magics a little bit too far... which helped to justify her going evil at the end of the season etc.