Biles?

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Are there any Buffy - Giles shippers here? (And is that the right smoosh for this ship?)

I know there are many Biles shippers in the fandom, but I do not get it. One of the things I love most about the show is Giles fatherly love for Buffy - men being fatherly is really appealing to me. Imagining them in a romantic pairing is just so not even remotely sensible.

I remember seeing one article defending this ship, where I kept thinking that the author was just misinterpreting everything.

Anyway here is just a partial list (work in progress) of all the signs on the show (in random order) that conclusively establish a father-daughter, not romantic, relationship between them:

Giles looks repulsed during Hush when he (and the others) think that Buffy is making an obscene gesture.

The Mayor to Giles: "That's one spunky girl you've raised."

Travers: "You have a father's love for the child." And cleaning her wounds with a decidedly fatherly look of tenderness on his face.

Buffy asks Giles to give her away when she thinks she is marrying Spike; and Spike says that Giles is almost his father in law.

They almost never touch each other, especially during the first three seasons.

Both of them have romantic attachments with other people.

Giles moves away from Buffy during The Prom to allow Buffy and Angel to dance, with a very fatherly expression of love on his face.

Giles takes a father role in Band Candy ("I know I'm not your parent but I am responsible for you.")

In Band Candy, when Giles loses his inhibitions, it's Joyce, not Buffy, that Giles pairs up with.

In Goodbye Iowa, Buffy compares the quarreling Giles and Anya to her parents.

Buffy asks Giles to take her to the ice skating show when her father craps out.

All her references to his age (The Freshman, "boring old and British" in season 7).

Their banter is very father-daughter like, such as when he accuses her of not listening to him when they're discussing Dawn in season 5, and in The Dark Age when he is criticizing her music.

The way that Buffy steers Jenny and Giles back together in Passion.

They support each other through heartbreaks (for Giles, just involving Jenny but including when he felt betrayed by her and turned against her).

Giles offers Buffy ice cream when Angel announces that he's leaving her - very fatherly thing to do, not romantic.

Thoughts?
 
I totally see what you are saying. And I've read a really huge amount of fanfic with a huge variety of pairings. This is one of the few pairings I haven't read. Just never sought it out.

I love that Giles is like a father figure to her. And he seems to genuinely care about her in that capacity. It's one of the things that I really missed in season six and seven, even if it did make sense that they drifted apart.

Buffy was off becoming her own person and when people do that, a lot of them feel the need to distance themselves from their parental figures.

You brought up a lot of great examples of the way they interact and I enjoyed reading about and remembering all those moments. 🙂
 
...I got the hibbie gibbies while reading this...Don't know how to process this correctly...
 
I have read fanfic of this pairing, but I read all sorts of pairings. I've never seen anything in canon to suggest he had anything but fatherly feelings for her and I don't ship them but it would be interesting to see if other do see anything romantic between them
 
No no no no no no no no... Just NO! Those are my favorite characters on the show, and their father/daughter relationship is very special. It is NOT romantic love.

I'd ship Spangel before Buffy/Giles.
 
Seeing Red
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NY State of Mind
NY State of Mind
Lol @ spangel....word up yo
So far everyone is reacting pretty much the same as me, which makes it even harder for me to understand why there are so many Biles shippers in the fandom. My sole interest in fanfic is for Giles-centered fic, and by far the largest number of fics are about a romantic pairing between these two. So many levels of ew.

I heard Anthony express his distaste, in an interview, for a Giles - Willow pairing. I imagine he feels the same way about a Giles - Buffy pairing.
 
Biles, it gives me the wiggins just thinking about it. It is just so so very wronge. I have always felt that Giles' love for Buffy was one of a father's love.
 
BuffyElevated
BuffyElevated
Your siggy is hilariously epic!!!! LOVE it!
I'm with everyone here in that what is so wonderful and beautiful and special about giles and buffy's relationship is the father/daughter connection they have. I love when in "A new man" when maggie walsh insults giles by claiming that buffy seems to have no male role model, no father figure to look up to, giles, in demon form, gets back at her by chasing her down the street....

I think, and this is only a guess - I haven't read any romantic pairing fan-fic of buffy and giles - the reason it exists is because it exists in life...

It's relatively common for sexual feelings to grow out of a relationship between a young woman and an older man whom she admires and looks up to...

what I love about buffy and giles is that it is so not that.

my opinion only.
 
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prophecygrrl
I LOVE those moments in 'A New Man'. :D
I'm with everyone here in that what is so wonderful and beautiful and special about giles and buffy's relationship is the father/daughter connection they have. I love when in "A new man" when maggie walsh insults giles by claiming that buffy seems to have no male role model, no father figure to look up to, giles, in demon form, gets back at her by chasing her down the street....

I love that too, and also how the comment clearly cut Giles - he was drunkenly quoting it to Ethan later on at the pub.

One thing I've always wondered is why Maggie Walsh took such a gratuitous, unkind swipe at someone she just met. (Even though she's a complete witch, that attack seemed over the top even for her.) My only guess is that she sensed that this was someone special to Buffy ("I'm a, um, friend of hers") and she was jealous.

I need to add this one my list. Even just meeting Giles, Maggie Walsh realized he was a father figure to Buffy, not a romantic figure. (I'm taking the position that her gratuitous insult was also untruthful and not something she really believed.)
 
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I love that too, and also how the comment clearly cut Giles - he was drunkenly quoting it to Ethan later on at the pub.

One thing I've always wondered is why Maggie Walsh took such a gratuitous, unkind swipe at someone she just met. (Even though she's a complete witch, that attack seemed over the top even for her.) My only guess is that she sensed that this was someone special to Buffy ("I'm a, um, friend of hers") and she was jealous.

I need to add this one my list. Even just meeting Giles, Maggie Walsh realized he was a father figure to Buffy, not a romantic figure. (I'm taking the position that her gratuitous insult was also untruthful and not something she really believed.)

Yeah, the bar scene was great! "I'm twice the man she is!". And good point about maggie's comments providing more evidence of the father/daughter non sexual love between them.
 
I don't read fics so maybe thats why but I never even knew anybody would ever ship Biles...just NO! I'd question the ethics of that person cause its always came accross as Buffys father figure...so much Giles had problems with the council.
 
Yeah, the bar scene was great! "I'm twice the man she is!". And good point about maggie's comments providing more evidence of the father/daughter non sexual love between them.

LOL at "I'm twice the man she is."

I thought of a better way to make my own point: even upon first meeting this "friend" of Buffy's, Maggie recognized that the way to hurt him would be to disparage his father status -- not his romantic status.

And Giles was so sweet and charming in that scene. Definitely did not deserve to be skewered by that harridan.
 
I think I speak for everyone here when I say "ew."

The very title of this thread conjured a very dramatic (though very involuntary) dry heave.

Worlds of no.
 
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I'm with [MENTION=7000]The Chosen[/MENTION] on this one. But then again there are Buffy/Dawn 'shippers out there, so I guess there are people out there who are into that kind of thing.
 
wickedtiger86
wickedtiger86
Dawn and Buffy? WHAT?!? *dies
Goby
Goby
Buffy/Dawn.... as in sex?? YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL at "I'm twice the man she is."

I thought of a better way to make my own point: even upon first meeting this "friend" of Buffy's, Maggie recognized that the way to hurt him would be to disparage his father status -- not his romantic status.

And Giles was so sweet and charming in that scene. Definitely did not deserve to be skewered by that harridan.

I agree! And good point. She was, after all a psychology professor. I'm sure she was pretty good at reading people.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say "ew."
The very title of this thread conjured a very dramatic (though very involuntary) dry heave
Worlds of no.

Well said!
 
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