Bin Laden human rights

[prophecygrrl]

Am I missing something, discussing OBL's human rights?
What would he have thought of your human rights?
To all those who have posted in this thread, his notion of your human rights is this. Only those who are of Islam can live.

Osama was not a Muslim leader. He murdered many Muslims and Muslims died in 9/11 as well.

 

[OhWow]

I know ( in the other thread ) I was pretty bent on hating Osama's guts. But I had some change of heart. Just a little! After reading this.

"You, my children, I apologize for giving you so little of my time because I responded to the need for Jihad."

He also instructs his children not to follow in his footsteps - specifically telling them not to join Al Qaeda. He cites precedents from Islamic texts as a justification for forbidding his children to engage in 'holy war'

"don't consider marrying again, and devote yourselves to your children and guide them to the right path."

If you want here is the article about Osama's last words-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/osama-bin-laden-final-message_n_857591.html

No I'm not justifying him. As for the human right's thing...No he should not have them. He was a human, yes. And after reading this I see him in a very very very very dim light instead of pitch black.But he was inhumane, why would he receive sympathy even in the form of trial. But I guess the real question is: What makes Osama "human"? Not literally, like I know he is a human being. That genuineness that makes people "human"... ya know what I mean? I may have just confused myself even more. 😕 LOL Ready to make this conversation even more complex.

I think my question makes sense...Whatever.I don't feel like ranting. I would rather see people's responses to his final words and the nonsense that I am talking about. 😀

 

[Skanky Vamp]

True, but the question being asked right now is whether or not he deserved to die as a human being

I thought the question was whether his human rights were violated, not if he deserved to die.

 

[prophecygrrl]

Scobro agrees: He never said he was a Muslim leader.. though he did lead Muslims, but he never said that either.

My bad. Still stand by the second part of what I said though. He's a mass murderer of many groups and communities, including other Muslims.

 

[Brian]

obama@whitehouse:~$ sudo chmod +x /bin/laden

 

[Tueuse de Vampires]

An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

I'm 100% sure there WILL be retaliation. And I don't like the way America handled this at all. Either arrest him and give him a trial, or at least kill him quietly. But not under ANY circumstances go out in the streets and CELEBRATE his death. That's just asking for trouble...and pretty barbaric,, if I may say so.

 

[randiann]

You can't prove that he had anything but evil in him either. A person is defined by their actions, because actions speak louder than anything else. You can say whatever the eff you want to say, but you will never change my mind about him or what he deserved. Maybe if him and his followers were trying to blow up YOUR family on a regular basis, or bombing buildings closer to you, you might be able to see the situation for what it really is.

I find it hilarious that some of you people on this board are outraged and want nothing but the worst punishment possible for people like child molesters, but someone who has killed thousands of people in cold blood gets off scott free? Mmhhmm, ok.

And seriously, I'm not addressing anything else in this thread now 'cause I'm dangerously on the edge of painting a detailed picture of where you can go and where you can shove "Osama Bin Laden's human rights."

Some of our cities have been bombed. MY city was bombed when I was 9. My neighbors, friends, and family were affected. My hometown has a permanent memorial for the HUNDREDS of people murdered. DON'T tell me I don't know what it's like. And yet I still stand by my beliefs that every human, no matter how big a piece of shit that person is, still has basic inherent rights. Universal human rights don't just belong to the nice people, or the pretty people, or those who live in industrial nations. They belong to everyone. And I refuse to compromise my briefs for that piece of crap. He may have devastated my nation, but he won't take my beliefs and my morals from me. Thats something he can't have.

I don't think anyone here has said Osama's awesome like you seem to be insinuating. Quite the opposite. But the fact that we aren't celebrating that someone was killed doesn't give you the right to talk down to us for sticking up for our opinions and beliefs. I've always considered you a friend on here britt, but this right here is too far. Do not insinuate that I am shit for believing different than yiu and that I don't know what it's like to be affected by terrorism. Guess what, terrorist suck. I know that. But they are still humans.

 

[Buffy Summers]

Hey, guys? If this can't stay civil it's going to be closed.

 

[Big Damn Hero]

This pretty much sums it up for me:

I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Martin Luther King.

 

[Washburne]

What would he have thought of your human rights?

That's it isn't it? Because someone doesn't live up to your morals you get the right to throw yours out the window regarding that person? Then we just have to agree to disagree. Lower yourself to the same level helps the world how exactly?

But that's not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about is someone steals your wallet, you find out who it is and send the police to their house. The person starts shooting at the police and gets killed when the police return fire.

I have to trouble admitting that I exaggerated a lot trying, but failing, to make a point to Sco's reply. Not to this specific situation. But I'm not really seeing the situation as you describe it either. Don't think we'll gain something by me taking it further.

 

[Zeppo]

To me,

Osama bin Laden forfeited his human rights when he decided to run from his crimes instead of (practising his human rights at a fair trial by) turning himself in. Our choices have consequences and even our consequences can come with choices.

I actually had more to say on this but re-reading the above pretty much sums up my views tightly.

I celebrate a sense of closure, a sense of progress in the war against terror and celebrate that there is hope. Even in Buffy's world: "It doesn't stop, it never stops," but it needs to be known by his followers or AQ that we aren't going to put up with it. That's why there is laws which protect human rights and he chose to run from the law. Again, I'll stress he chose to run thus he chose these measures.

Actually, it is a human right to run. But again, action will lead to reaction. This was a relieving reaction for me. (Though, I'd rather he be in the custody of the people whom he attacked - poetic justice.)

Also, all in my opinion. No offense intended. 😎

 

[Cast No Shadow]

Interesting to hear so many diverse viewpoints, each one as valid as the last. I can certainly say that mine has changed, not completely, but slightly after reading some of these replies, so thanks!

 

[WakingNightmare]

You know guys, we can state our opinions on this to the death in this thread, but if we try and dictate someone's opinion, or tell them that it's wrong then this'll only end in caps lock and the thread being closed.

The rights of a human being are not simple. We may an official document on them, but that won't change the complete and utter complexness of the value of a human's rights, and more importantly, their life. We won't be able to wrap this up in a simple, neat way, which is why I think we really should avoid debate.

First off, I am against the death penalty. I do not belive in capital punishment, I never have and I don't think I ever will. But I think that this situation is the great big glaring exception. Because what else could have been done? What prison could have held him? If there had been any other option, any at all, then I would have opted for it, and prayed they decided to do it instead. But, there simply wasn't.

We are just human beings. Government officials, and the President are human beings too. And while they're put in charge, and are the people who have the responsibility of running the country, this does not make them any higher than human. They have no God given right to decide whether one deserves to die.

With no other options, I belive that killing Bin Laden needed to be done. But that doesn't make it right

.And as for people running around and celebrating Bin Laden's death, I think the quote "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do" fits in for this situation. As horrible as celebrating the death of a human is, a huge threat to national security is gone. Of course they're happy, and deserve that happiness, after living in fear for so long. I've no doubt that many who celebrate his death now will feel ashamed later.

I hope I got my point across OK. My thoughts are all jumbled right now.

 

[Buffy Summers]

Honestly I think people would have celebrated just as much had he been captured alive. The point is that after 10 years, he's not out there free any longer.

This pretty much sums it up for me:

I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Martin Luther King.

That first sentence is not MLK: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/

 

[Mr Giles]

I think all the Americans out in the street chanting usa was pretty funny.

 

[nmcil12]

What I personally found very disturbing is seeing all the scenes of jubilation on my TV screen. I could not help thinking that what I was seeing was the mirror image of all the same scenes from the other side. Granted, this is my personal opinion, but I think that more solemnity and reflection on what war and terriorism brings into our world would be a lot more productive to the eradication of brutality and violence as a means dealing with the political and social dynamics between peoples of this planet.

This is the real face of war and terrorism - not just the 3000 plus American who were killed by the terrorist on 9/11 - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/07/world/middleeast/07photo.html?src=recg