Buffy and....

[William The Bloody]

What's you're favourite Buffy realtionship? Bangel? Spuffy? Briley?

 

[zombie.apparatus]

Spuffy hands down, then Bangel would come in second, and i dont have Briley on my list, cos i didnt like the 'ship one bit! mmmmmm Spuffy, drool!

 

[Nix]

spuffy - she was more alive with him

 

[William The Bloody]

It's true that she was more alive with him but I think that Angel and Buffy suit each other well good! The brooding, silent type and a small petite girl! LOL!

 

[Mango]

I am usually a Buffy and Angel fan, but her relationship with Spike in season seven was just the sweetest!!

 

[Wicked]

If I had to choose, Spike but I dont thinnk any of them.

In my opinion, the guys are usually more fun before they end up with Buffy. She destroys them. Riley especially.

 

[postmortem]

No one voted for Riley? That's shame... 😀

 

[VisionGuy]

I voted for Riley cuz I felt bad for him, but my official vote is Spike 😀

 

[wheelchairfight]

I'm not gonna lie Buffy and Angel are my fav, but its just because he was her first love and still is her love. He would do anything to protect her...and he did. He sacrificed alot...not that the others didn't its just he would always do it. If Riley wasn't such an idiot and he didn't leave the would have been together a little longer, but I guess they were finished anyway. I love how much love Spike and Buffy had for each other in the end, but they really aren't meant to be. Just another fish in the sea he was but not a waste of time though. It changed him and her for the better and I'm glad they got together. But if Angel and Buffy didn't live in this world of evil I really think they would be together right now married, happy. But if it weren't for the evil Angel wouldn't have become a vampire and got a soul and met Buffy and found his reason for living. Haha I could probably write more if I had more time to think of better reasons. lol

:love2:

 

[Ladybug]

Holycrap. How am I supposed to choose? I adore both Bangel and Spuffy... I'll vote... Angel. She loved 'em both, but Angel was her first love, and definetly a more appropriate (also in a literal sense) lover.

 

[Jules]

I'm always gonna vote Bangel 🙂

I didn't really like the Buffy/Spike relationship, only because I didn't like how Buffy treated him and throughout season 7 I was actually wishing that Buffy would fall in love with Spike because I felt so sorry for him. He was great in Season 6 and even better in Season 7. He did everything she asked for, he even got his soul for her, and she still only went to him when things were bad for her 🙁

 

[raniE]

I voted Riley, which seems to be a minority position to say the least. For me, it was just great seeing Buffy with a human, and Riley was fun and interesting (at least in season 4), bringing another way to fight demons, monsters and vamps to the Scooby Gang. Then, he unfortunately turned into an idiot in season 5, leaving all the technological ways to fight demons behind (except for that one time with a grenade and a crypt, and teaming up with Graham and the boys).

Spike become a lot less interesting in season 6 than he was in season 5 when Buffy didn't have a relationship with him, and the whole Angel/Buffy tragic love thing was getting on my nerves at the end of season 3,so I was happy that ended.

 

[zombie.apparatus]

argh ^ what do you mean spike became a lot less interesting in season 6? hello? its spike! okay sorry you are allowed to say that... 🙂

i dont get the Briley relationship.. i dont know how anyone can stand it.. it annoyed me i guess, dont know why.. probably because i dont like Riley

 

[raniE]

Well, I really dislike most of season 6, so that probably plays a part in it, but It's mostly that his character was sliding backwards (back into hostility with the Scoobies, back from the redemption he had at the end of s5 etc). When I check out s7 I'll see if he gets better there, what with having a soul and all.

About Riley, I'm not saying he's one of my favorite characters or anything, just that I thought he was more interesting in a relationship with Buffy than either Angel or Spike were. Also, he was human, making the relationship less angsty, allowing more focus on the other characters on the show (unlike s3 were Buffys relationship with Angel took up a whole lotta time).

 

[Darling Faithy]

-ahem-

BANGEL!!


sorry...felt that was nessacary. I HATE SPUFFY SHIP

 

[Ladybug]

I'm still not getting this whole anti-Bangel anti-Spuffy yay-Riley thing, raniE. =s Oh well...

 

[Schillaci]

-ahem-

BANGEL!!


sorry...felt that was nessacary. I HATE SPUFFY SHIP

...

It saddens me that there is a need for a topic like this, that only a select few of us see the truth.

Every princess needs her knight, the other half of the symbiotic circle to complete her. That her knight is in question when it should be an indubitable fact leads me to believe that this symbiotic circle that I speak of is not well understood.

A Princess must believe in her knight, and vice versa.

When Angel ran out on Buffy did he believe in her, did Riley when he did the same? When Buffy told Angel, on many occasions, that she did not trust him, do we just assume she believed though..?

When Spike's morality and true alignment was in doubt, when Spike didn't believe in himself, what was Buffy's response?

Buffy:"Be easier, wouldn't it, it if were an act, but it's not. You faced the monster inside of you and you fought back. You risked everything to be a better man, and you can be. You are. You may not see it, but I do. I do. I believe in you, Spike"

That no princess is complete without her knight, and no knight is complete without his princess.

That growth of each half of that symbiotic circle, means growth of the whole.

What is growth, really? Is it the ability to adapt and change to be more expedient in an everchanging enviroment?

From the time Angel began dating Buffy, to the time he left her and fled to LA had he changed much? We know he rejects humanity before he meets Buffy, he distances himself from people. Yet he has not changed all the way through the relationship and even after. Doyle explains it to him "But he's cut off. From every thing. From the people he's trying to help."
Angel: "I still save "˜em. Who cares if I don't stop to chat."

Not much growth there. Buffy grew..more closed. Not allowing anyone in. Seems like Angel threw her backwards, and he stood still.

Riley? Farmboy. Can't make a decision boy. First decision he makes is to run away in the face of problems. What growth. He went backwards, Buffy stood still.

Then we have Spike. Is there growth there? We know for sure, by the end of her relationship with Riley that Buffy has closed herself off. Her heart is hers, and much too precious to allow to be bruised. Does she grow with Spike in anyway? Buffy: "He is in my heart"

When Buffy has difficulty sharing her power with Faith when she is dating Angel, but learns to share it when she is with Spike, do we just assume there is not a connection there? That surely Spike helped her grow, gave her the strength,"Because of the strength that you gave me last night." that she needed for growth.

Spike's growth is clear, from monster to man, for her, because of her, with her.

He could not have grown without Buffy, and she without him.

That when a knight stumbles his princess will set him steady, and when a princess falters her knight will set her true.

I have lost the strength to even mention those charlatans any longer. Do we remember the harsh words of Buffy's to Spike? "Just said it. You keep holding back, you might as well walk out that door."
Words that he needed to hear, and heed them he did. Or when Spike vociferated to Buffy that she was insufferable? That he followed up with the words Buffy needed to hear. "Hey, look at me. I'm not asking you for anything. When I say I love you, it's not because I want you, or because I can't have you. It has nothing to do with me. I love what you are, what you do, how you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You are a hell of a woman."

That any form of sacrifice for one half of that circle means full acceptance that they are a symbiotic circle.

What is sacrifice? When we give up something to fulfil the integrity of our belief in something else.

Like when Buffy continuously sacrifices the trust of her dear friends over her belief that Spike is a good man. Is that not sacrifice? When she submits the leadership of the group because she will not betray her ethical code that, among other things, Spike will help them fight the ultimate evil, that he will have his place in the battle. And she was vindicated for that.

And Spike, when he sacrifices his freedom for a soul. Do we understand he did that to unite that soul with Buffy's? When he sacrifices his life in the battle against evil, he confirms that as seperate entities Buffy and Spike are powerful, but united they can defeat evil itself.

It seems odd to me that the purity of the Buffy and Spike relationship would ever be considered as anything other than a veritable completion of two souls destined to be joined as one, in unison.

Soul mates transcending any understanding of the term united souls. Beyond such simple reasoning, just knowing that they are is all that should be.

 

[zombie.apparatus]

Dzhugashvili you have pretty much said whats needed to be said... I am 100% with you on this one.. and all your points are so true! Maybe this is why I love the Spuffy 'ship so much?? With what youve said it pretty much explains Buffys relationship with both Riley and Angel.. both failures.. but Buffy never gave up on Spike and vice versa.. i guess you theory of "A Princess must believe in her knight, and vice versa."

As you have said Dzhugashvili:

"It seems odd to me that the purity of the Buffy and Spike relationship would ever be considered as anything other than a veritable completion of two souls destined to be joined as one, in unison."

 

[Xin Rong]

Its always got o be Bangel, they where the most memorable and important couple on both shows and their relationship ultimately shaped the outcome of both shows.
Thye also has that admirable puppy love factor, although you knew it was a real and strong love, it always reminded me of m first puppy love. Also ou have to give them credit for the sheer irony and tragedy that comes hand in hand with the whole buffy and angel love. It definettly had a romeo and juliet facor inertwined with a reek tradegy feel to it.
In conclusion Bangel rules!!!

As for the others, Riley was clearly just a rebound guy, someone who was opposite to angel because buffy felt that was the way to go after how terribly her relationship with angel went. As for Spike he was initially a reaction to depression and er that he was just someone to lean on when buffy had no one else, i dont think love was even a factor, even on pikes side, i always saw his feelings as more a sign of obsession than love, yes even in series 7.

 

[Darling Faithy]

Ok, maybe I should explain some of my reasoning for Bangel.

Ok, it was clear to me that Buffy and Angel really did have that kind of love where each of them grew in turn. If Angel would have never loved Buffy, shown her stuff, Buffy would not have the strength to do the things she had to end up doing. Her realtionship with Angel made her grow, and the same with Angel. He seemed like the creepy lost stalker dude in the beginning, and I know some of this is character development, but he too changed and grew up, even to the point on where he couldn't hurt Buffy, and he left. He never ever forgot her or stopped loving her, but he knew he had to let her go, I assume that would be very hard, and it gets easier I'd think, when you don't see the person.

Also, Buffy, she never really stopped loving Angel, you could see that when Angel returned in season 7, and she kissed him, it was almost as if she couldn't help it. I don't think buffy EVER loved Spike, when Spike came into this whole thing, buffy was having tough times, he was the only one that showed her attention, even if it wasn't the kind Buffy wanted. I believe Spike may have fallen for Buffy, but Buffy just wanted to forget about her own pain, if she loved him, the entire seasn 6 and 7 would have been different. buffy used Spike sorta as a pawn, or a escape goat more than a lover. Even her cookie dough speech wasn't all that convincing. I think at that point Buffy was so pressured and everything, that why would she waste time on trying to fix a realtionship that couldn't be there. Instead she went with the one she counted on, the one she knew was always there because Spike would make sure it was. No doubt Spike loved Buffy, but the thing that bothers me, is that Buffy never truly loved spike..I dont think she ever even LIKED him that much. I know, some would say her resisting was just her lying to herself, ya, that's one interuptation, but for me, im just not seeing it, to me, Bangel was love, Spuffy was a safety net.