Buffy Canon Comic Book (Season Eight): Spoilers

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I can see why some would be having issues with the whole hi-tech slayage thing. The first pages of the series do give the impression that this won't be your grandfather's vampire slayer anymore. Plus, I get the impression that a lot of the problems people have with season four is all the Initiative tech we see, taking you away from the supernatural feel of BtVS.

All that said, I'm open to change. As long as there is a logical and upfront reason why Buffy and the slayers are using these new weapons and they don't get in the way of the story then I'll play along.

Besides, I always liked season four.
 
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Besides, I always liked season four.

I liked season four too, with the exception of Riley.

I'm willing to accept high tech Buffy as long as the high tech doesn't go so far as to be completely unrealistic. My problem lies with the idea of Buffy and Company suddenly having expertise with weapons and techniques they have had little or no experience with before (remember, this is supposed to carry on the story as of, at most, a few months after the events of season seven).
 
I liked season four too, with the exception of Riley.

I'm willing to accept high tech Buffy as long as the high tech doesn't go so far as to be completely unrealistic. My problem lies with the idea of Buffy and Company suddenly having expertise with weapons and techniques they have had little or no experience with before (remember, this is supposed to carry on the story as of, at most, a few months after the events of season seven).

Don't forget though, a slayer's enhanced abilities would allow for them to be pretty damn quick students with any kind of weaponry. They have an innate skill with aiming something like a crossbow or throwing a stake into the heart of a vampire from a distance. How much more difficult would pointing a gun be to them?

Basically, once they know how to load it up and where the trigger is, they are good to go. I think a few months is more than enough time for that to have taken place.
 
Wait a minute though. I thought Buffy didn't like guns. Didn't she wind up chucking the last one Riley made her try to use. I got the impression she wasn't even comfortable with the initiative zapper guns. In fact isn't that a thing? Buffy doesn't do the high tech weaponry thing. She's more a stake and crossbow girl. She had access to a rocket launcher for 5 seasons, and didn't seem to have any desire to use it until her brain was tampered with. Come to think of it she even seems more comfortable letting someone else use the crossbow.
 
True enough, N4H, but that would be part of the logical and upfront reasoning I was talking about before. We are coming into the story at a point where there will need to be some rational explanation behind why Buffy as gone down this route with the weaponry. As long as that exists then I'll be okay with it.
 
One of my favorite Buffy bits is that part in The I in Team where Buffy defines herself. She's been trying to fit in with the initiative and all it's high tech. She's uncomfortable with it all, but she soldiers on. Finally the gun malfunctions, and she realizes she's been turned against. At that point she must realize it's just bare-knuckled Buffy, versus the high tech power of the Initiative, and she says...

Buffy: (steely voice) Professor Walsh. That simple little recon you
sent me on . . . wasn't a raccoon. (Walsh slowly faces the monitors)
Turns out it was me trapped in the sewers with a faulty weapon and two
of your pet demons. If you think that's enough to kill me, you really
don't know what a Slayer is.


Walsh is speechless.

Buffy: Trust me when I say you're gonna find out.
 
Actually that is a favourite moment of mine too. Very powerful scene where you realise that all the technology in the world cannot begin to compare with a power as primal as that of the slayer.

I do like a later scene in the season (in Primeval) where it turns that all on it's head though.

Buffy: Colonel--

Colonel: Shut up. You've got some nerve, lady. (unzips the bag) You
think you and your friends can just keep waltzing into a government
installation brandishing weapons like--

He holds up the device.

Colonel: Like--

Willow: It's a gourd.

Giles: Magic gourd.

Colonel: What kind of freaks are you people?

Kind of makes you appreciate why the Initiative guys had trouble taking Buffy and her friends seriously, doesn't it! 😀
 
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nicely put
Hmm. I'm not sure if I'm actually opposed to Buffy/tech stuff in principle. Season 4 just looked bad, shoddy, very non-threatening. When the epic, titanic score was swelling during the Initiative introduction...it was just silly. It was an airplane hangar covered in tinfoil...

I love 24, Terminator, Aliens - fierce, threatening tech. Maybe it could be funner mixed with Buffy in comic book form. Not sure. I just don't want epic space battles and crap. I love Buffy for the characters - and the hand to hand kickassery obviously.
 
Ooh, OK, some spoilage ahead. Obviously, this being a spoiler thread...

Re-Buffed: New Comic Book Series Resurrects Vampire Slayer

Series starts in March, picks up where TV show left off.

By Jennifer Vineyard

So what if Buffy the Vampire Slayer has died twice? After all, nobody really passes away in the Buffyverse — there's always an afterlife for anyone with a good story line.

In March, Buffy will get resurrected once again, this time in a comic book series that picks up where the last TV season of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" left off. "Buffy" creator Joss Whedon is overseeing a multi-episode comic book arc that plays out as it if were a new season for the show. The comic book series promises to be conceptually bigger and more fantastical than the show ever was, thanks to being freed from the restrictions of time, budgets and, oh yeah, those pesky actors.

"Don't get me wrong: I'm tired of those people," Whedon joked. "I can't stand them. But seriously, there were certain things we couldn't do, and many things we couldn't afford to do [in the TV show]."

"There were financial limitations, as well as limitations with what you could do with CGI, at the time, for television. And time constraints," said "Buffy" castmember Amber Benson, who played Willow's wicca gal pal, Tara. "It was hard to get an episode done in eight days."

"So now we can do pretty much whatever we want, within the bounds of common decency," Whedon said. "Well, near the bounds of common decency."

For starters, Whedon gets to rewrite history. At the end of the TV series, Buffy (finally) had her whole life in front of her — after which the spinoff show "Angel" put her back to work and had her shacking up with the Immortal in Rome. But as we learn in the first few pages of the comic, that didn't necessarily happen like we thought.

"That's one of the great things about writing," Whedon said. "You get to play off on everything you've set up. 'Well, that was clearly a double, they didn't have Sarah [Michelle Gellar] there, and that Italy really looked a lot like the Universal back lot.' But you know, at first she was with the Immortal, and then I thought, 'I don't see her that way. I want to pick up [with] Buffy more like she was.' "

So Whedon decided that the "Scoobies" — Buffy's gang of friends — had expanded into 10 separate squads, with 500 Slayers and three Buffys, to spread confusion for those who might target our original Slayer. "One's underground. Literally," Buffy explains in the comic. "One's in Rome partying very publicly — and supposedly dating some guy called 'The Immortal.' That part was Andrew's idea. [Andrew is a former member of the Trio who became incorporated into the Scoobies.] He did research on the guy, said it would be hilarious for some reason."

"I thought, 'If Andrew — who was there to counsel Spike and Angel in their time of grief when they realized Buffy found a new boyfriend — created the entire scenario just to mess with them, well, I find that delightful,' " Whedon said.

"What was great about 'Buffy' is that it was like a soap opera," Benson said. "What's going to happen next, who is going to sleep with who, who is going to turn into a vampire, who is going to die five times and come back. It leaves people on the edge of their seats because they're not sure what's going to happen, and they want to find out."

Without giving too much away, Whedon revealed that vengeance-demon-turned-Scooby Anya is "definitely dead" — "but that doesn't mean she's gone," he said — and we will only see Spike and Angel "sparingly." "Buffy and Angel were separated on TV, and for a reason," he said. "You can only play variations on 'Romeo and Juliet didn't die' for so long before you get bored. You know, a 'Romeo's Working Out to Get Rid of His Spare Tire' episode is not going to be that exciting. You want to keep the great passions but save them for the big moments."

As for those big moments? Well, Dawn — Buffy's sister — is in the middle of an especially "big" one after having reached ginormic proportions because she lost her virginity. "Her first time and it all goes wrong, which I'm totally well-versed in," Buffy quips in the comic book.

Xander — yet another Scooby — now a leader at Central Command, which, since Sunnydale was demolished, is now Scotland. And speaking of Sunnydale, did anyone really think no one would ever notice if an entire town was destroyed? Now the army is involved, deeming Buffy's squads terrorist cells. "They got power, they got resources and they got a hard-line ideology that does not jibe with American interests," one general rants. So in addition to her regular crew of monsters and vamps, Buffy's got a new battle coming her way.

And what about all those day-to-day doldrums that Buffy faced on the show? Trying to juggle a job while being a Slayer, for instance, or raising a sister on the side? How much of that side of her life will we see in this new Buffy series?

"The show was very mundane, deliberately mundane," Whedon said. "A comic has got to work on a grander, epic scale. We can really take the characters wherever we want, and of course, that means I can kill them. That's where the fun is, in revisiting these characters. It's like being with my old friends, but in actuality, not being with my old friends, because the actors aren't there to play them. It's a little different. This is bigger variations. It's a symphony based on the little tune we played."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1551286/20070131/index.jhtml

Wow, OK. So he is going for genuine comic book grandiosity, if there were actually any doubts at this point. Hmm.
 
Gotta say I LOVE the sound of that. I like the very new direction their gonna try out!
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I can't believe how frakking much I look forward to this.

This however so isn't true imo, heh:
"What was great about 'Buffy' is that it was like a soap opera," Benson said. "What's going to happen next, who is going to sleep with who, who is going to turn into a vampire, who is going to die five times and come back. It leaves people on the edge of their seats because they're not sure what's going to happen, and they want to find out."
 
Buffy the Vampire Slayer #1 (Season 8)
Street Date: March 7, from Dark Horse Comics
Writer: Joss Whedon
Art: Georges Jeanty and Andy Owens (Cover Art: Jo Chen)
Colors: Dave Stewart
Review by Troy Brownfield

Some disclaimer-type language: Yes, Buffy fan. Rather than setting me up to give this an automatic “A”, that fact actually makes me enter with some degree of temerity. Consider: if you have something that you really enjoyed, any extension, derivation, adaptation or deviation from same is going to be met with at least some form of heightened expectation. In this case, Buffy as a TV series had an appropriate ending in terms of timing, story, and scale. To revisit it and extend it (in continuity, no less), even with creator Joss Whedon at the helm, you’re going to have do something that a) reads well, b) looks great, and c) does things in a new way for it to even remotely work.

That said: welcome to A, B, and C. To say that Whedon and company knock it out of the park is a disservice to baseball metaphors. The narration on the first page clicks right into that classic Buffy dialogue rhythm, while the second page allows Jeanty and Owens to draw a sign that might as well say “Our stamp, here.” Not only is this a good read, it’s a fun read, and the import of that in the overall Buffy context can not be understated.

Pull back a second to place an appropriate time frame. You must remember that as this is a functional Buffy “Season 8”, the events and actions occur at a timeline that is roughly parallel to the events of brother-series Angel’s Season 5. That point is driven home with a righteously terrific punchline on page 4 that adds some brilliant depth to one of that Angel season’s funniest episodes.

However, just because there are long-time fan moments, don’t believe that it’s not accessible. Whedon plays the narration and development in such a way that you could come in blind and pick things up. Granted, you probably should be somewhat of a fan, and I recommend checking on the show if you’ve never done so. Still, first timers will find plenty to like. Such as:

The art of Jeanty and Owens. They do a great job with likenesses, but more importantly, they convey the motion and body language of the characters well. With roughly 145 hours of television out there chronicling their adventures, you know that it would be a massive disconnect if the renderings weren’t good. In fact, they’re spot on. Honestly, I always thought that Buffy herself was a hard character to get right in the comic form, but the team here manages to get it. Similar kudos should be extended for their work on Xander and Dawn (whose appearance herein fuels a funny subplot).

As to Whedon’s work . . . well, this is his baby, isn’t it? Fans have missed these characters, and you can tell from the script that Whedon has too. The sisterly interplay between Buffy and Dawn is solid, underscoring Dawn’s propensity for getting in trouble (“It must be Tuesday,” you can almost hear Buffy say) and the fractious relationship that they’ve always had. One brief conversation with Buffy and Xander reminds us that he’s always been smarter and more insightful than anyone else ever noticed. Whedon also takes the opportunity to show us that yes, the outside world did realize what happened to Sunnydale. And that last page? Extremely smart choice.

Frankly, I thought this was just great. It’s a treat for fans and it’s a strong comic besides. I’m now also doubly curious about a few things; based on conversations from Angel episodes, we know that the characters were, for a time, on different continents. One wonders if we’ll see Willow and Kennedy in South America, or if this was more disinformation directed by Wolfram & Hart by a, in retrospect, very clever Andrew. Granted, we’re reviewing this about a month before the release, so if you have any curiosity at all, get it on your pull list. The faithful will feel rewarded, and some new converts might be found. And really, we’re just getting started. Welcome back, Scoobies.
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Spoilage, beware. Damn, Willow looks hot in this one...love this cover. I like the way they're integrating the Buffy logo into the cover images.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer #3
Writer: Joss Whedon
Cover Artist: Jo Chen
Penciller: Georges Jeanty
Inker: Andy Owens
Colorist: Dave Stewart
Genre: Horror, Action/Adventure

With Buffy incapacitated, Amy the witch has taken the opportunity to-get this-lay siege with an army of the undead. Willow takes her on in a witches' battle royal as hundreds of Slayers defend their Scottish citadel, but without the kiss of true love, Buffy will be out of commission indefinitely-with an unwelcome familiar face, and an image you won't soon forget.

Buffy creator Joss Whedon brings Buffy back to Dark Horse in this direct follow-up to Season Seven of the smash-hit TV series.

* Joss Whedon writes Season 8! Only available at Dark Horse!
http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=14-113
 
Ok this thing just can't get here any quicker! I need it now, It just kinda sunk in that we will be getting actual storys that happened to the gang after season 7. lol
 
March feels a long time away 🙁 I'm getting it mailed to me... so hard around my area to find comic books.
 
Spoilage follows, beware...I just can't look away. I have to check out all the previews. This strikes me as hilarious. Finally getting a sense of the Joss-y dialogue. I'm actually a little surprised that Joss is letting all these cats out of the bag. This is gonna be fun.

GEEKMONTHLY.COM: So how much time has passed between the end of the show and the comic?

JOSS: Comic book time.

GEEKMONTHLY.COM: Which means what?

JOSS: A vague amount of time, probably more than a year. Ultimately with comics, they don’t come out every week but every month. Whereas in show where every week it was something that would happen to you, a mystical version thereof, the comic book is going to be a little more sprawling with a lot of storylines going on and so you have to sort of fudge the numbers a little bit. You know, when will the rest of Reed Richards’ hair go gray? We don’t know. In fact, when I was talking to Marvel, I asked, “How long has Colossus been dead?” and they’re like, “Never say, because time doesn’t exist.” You could spend ten issues on something that happens in one night. So, like I said, it is about a year later or more. I make mention that Dawn supposed to be in college, so that means it would have to be at least a year and a half.

GEEKMONTHLY.COM: Now in the comic Dawn is a big giant girl sitting in a basement.

JOSS: She’s very large, and for some reason it’s my favorite thing. I get very excited when I talk about Giant Dawn.

GEEKMONTHLY.COM: Now why is that?

JOSS: I don’t know. I’m really not positive, but I’m not alone. Drew Goddard also has affection for Giant Dawn.

GEEKMONTHLY.COM: Will she be Giant Dawn for a while?

JOSS: It’s going to be a long journey for her to find a cure for her giantness.
http://www.geekmonthly.com/features/2007/02/07/joss-whedon-hearing-voices/
 
Ok that im not so sure about, it seems very far fetched. Although I'm imtrested, it just seems... hmmmm.

I love the art though. 🙂

and yeah why is he letting so much slip? I don't wanna know all this before I read it, but if it's there I have to read it 😉

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Oh "Growing Pains" I get it, lol.
 
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anything's possible in the Buffyverse
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yep i dont want to know but i have to read it :p
Ouch. I'm starting to get scared of spoilers too. I have a solution for those who feel likewise. This thread is over a hundred posts. I'll close it for that reason, open an official spoilers thread, and another for non-spoiler discussion.
 
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