Buffy chose to kill Anya but help Spike

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I just watched the episode (can't remember the name of it) where Buffy ties up Spike in the spare bedroom to find out why he is killing again.

Anya says "Shouldn't we stick a sword through his chest. Isn't that what we do in these situations?" Very. Good. Point.

I have always been unsure of Buffy's decision to kill Anya in Selfless. I'm not against it, but I think she just reached that conclusion a little too quickly.

She is against killing Spike, claiming "I know he can be a good man". Well yeah, Buffy but you also KNOW Anya can be good too. Even AFTER she became a demon again, she risked her life standing in the magic box chanting spells to save your ass as you fought Willow. Forgotten that have we?
 
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Buffy does a lot of hypocritical stuff where Spike is concerned. I don't blame Anya for her bitterness about it in this ep, either, 'cause Buffy definitely lets her emotional attachment to Spike guide her through decisions all throughout Season 7, which is really annoying. The one time that it really pissed me off, though, was how she never fully forgave Giles after what happened between Spike and Giles and Wood.
 
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Simply put; the relationship she had with Spike was a lot deeper than the one she had with Anya. I don't believe any of the scoobies were friends with Anya...they were tolerant of her because Xander loved her. When Anya became a vengeance demon again and killed all those boys, she knew what she was doing, she had a conscience-she had a choice and yet she chose the wrong path.
I believe this is why Buffy had no issue with killing Anya if she had to. No emotional tie to her and she had chosen the path of evil; free will.
Up until season 7, all Spike's actions were that of a soulless demon; he didn't have a conscience or a choice - he was evil by default. In season seven when he got his soul, he got his humanity back and a chance to be a good man. He chose the right path. Using a trigger to control Spike once again takes away his ability to make his own choices, he wasn't himself. Once Spike becomes aware of what he has done, he doesn't want to live, Buffy convinces him that she believes in him and that he can do good given the chance. Anya had blown that chance when she chose to become an evil demon again.
Just my two cents 🙂
 
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Spike=chose to be better, Anya=chose to be worse
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while i also think that buffy was a little quick to be up for killing anya, i think she pulled the angel defense, that is, she was willing to kill angel, her soul mate, when she had the chance at the end of season 2. spike not withstanding, i think her willingness to do that pretty much insulates her against critique for being so quick to off anya.
 
I believe without a doubt that, had Spike been doing what Anya had--willingly killing humans again after voluntarily becoming a demon once again--Buffy would have gone after him just as she'd done with Anya and Angel.

Anya was knowingly and willfully killing again. Spike was being controlled by the First yet eventually got himself under (relative) control after seeking Buffy's help and allowing himself to be chained in the basement, (later he did it himself).

Much as I am a Spuffy, I actually don't think Buffy's feelings for Spike are driving her actions here. She has a clear formula: you choose to be evil and kill people, I kill you. Unless of course you're a human being in which case I invite you to stay as a "guestage,"-- which is another can of worms...
 
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Much as I am a Spuffy, I actually don't think Buffy's feelings for Spike are driving her actions here. She has a clear formula: you choose to be evil and kill people, I kill you. Unless of course you're a human being in which case I invite you to stay as a "guestage,"-- which is another can of worms...

I strongly disagree. Don't get me wrong... I love the character of Spike, so I was obviously glad they didn't kill him off, but I don't see how anyone can watch Season 7 without seeing how obviously biased Buffy was toward Spike. Buffy also let her emotional ties to Willow cloud her judgement in dealing with her after she willingly killed Warren in "Villains", and she wasn't even sleeping with Willow...
 
Buffy makes some truly hypocritical decisions at times (Willow is the most glaring case of this), but I don't think Spike was one of them. I really don't. For starters, I personally can't compare Anya's actions in S7 to the thing Spike did prior to S6, simply because he didn't have a soul. Anya did. She always did. And she chose (that's the key word here for me) to start killing again purely because she felt sad over Xander. That's pretty horrible, no matter how "bad" she felt about it afterwards (and bad is in quotations because her supposed guilt was completely forgotten about an episode later).

Spike never killed willingly or freely (or, well, combat aside of course. I'm not just butchering innocent people, like Anya did...repeatedly). He was mind-controlled by The First. Was Buffy's judgement colored by her feelings for Spike? Probably. I'm not going to dispute that. But that doesn't change the situation. As far as Buffy knew, Anya threw a hissy fit because of how her wedding went down, went out and regained her vengeance-demon powers, and then slaughtered a frat house full of guys, simply because she could, just as she had for a thousand years before S3 (where, let's not forget, she attempted to murder Willow several times in one episode. Why does that get glossed over?).

Spike was doing everything in his power to be a hero, to fight The First. He tells Buffy to kill him a few times to stop him. She doesn't because he's a genuinely good person. Anya, despite four and a half seasons of being with the Scoobies, STILL doesn't get it. Spike does. I'm not saying she's not brave. They all are. But bravery and heroism are very different things. Spike is a hero. Anya, until probably "Chosen", is not.

(and [MENTION=6758]white avenger[/MENTION], where are you? Need you on this one 😛)
 
I'm trying not to let my opinion of Anya come into play here, but it's touuuugh! Anyway, by that point, Spike had chosen to get his soul back on his own. He had proven time and time again (aside from the AR) that he was trustworthy. Add to that the fact that Buffy was obviously in love with him, it's easy to understand why she didn't wanna dust his ass.

On the other hand, Anya had never shown much remorse for her old days as a demon, sometimes even reminiscing about her kills as good old times. In 'Selfless', as Buffy clearly pointed out, Anya had CHOSEN to become a demon again (and for a stupid reason even). Also, she had never been close with Buffy, nor with the gang (aside from Xander). Now with that in mind, of course it was much easier for Buffy to make the decision to kill her. 🙂
 
I'm trying not to let my opinion of Anya come into play here, but it's touuuugh! Anyway, by that point, Spike had chosen to get his soul back on his own. He had proven time and time again (aside from the AR) that he was trustworthy. Add to that the fact that Buffy was obviously in love with him, it's easy to understand why she didn't wanna dust his ass.

On the other hand, Anya had never shown much remorse for her old days as a demon, sometimes even reminiscing about her kills as good old times. In 'Selfless', as Buffy clearly pointed out, Anya had CHOSEN to become a demon again (and for a stupid reason even). Also, she had never been close with Buffy, nor with the gang (aside from Xander). Now with that in mind, of course it was much easier for Buffy to make the decision to kill her. 🙂

But spike did the same, Spike showed a fondness for a the old days, and showed he forgave himself with how he talks to Wood about his mother.

Anya had helped season 5 with Glory, she also stayed and helped Buffy, after she became a demon, by keeping the binding curse on Willow.

Buffy chose to trust Spike when she had absolutely no reason to, he wasn't responsible for the people he killed the First was controlling him, Spike had no say in what was happening, so put her trust in someone who had no control over himself - she couldn't have let herself be more biased if she had let him have nips from the potentials to keep him stronger.

But when it came to Anya she doesn't even try to talk her down, she goes straight for the kill.
 
Ok but it's the same with Xander. He's all "No I still love her!" But look at him after Angel comes back from hell. He still wanted him dead. Did he not think Buffy still loved him? They are all switch up their opinions when different situations happen to them. And yea Spike was being controlled and Anya was not so there was a difference, even though Im sure deep down Buffys feelings for Spike did play a part.
 
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But spike did the same, Spike showed a fondness for a the old days, and showed he forgave himself with how he talks to Wood about his mother.

Anya had helped season 5 with Glory, she also stayed and helped Buffy, after she became a demon, by keeping the binding curse on Willow.

Buffy chose to trust Spike when she had absolutely no reason to, he wasn't responsible for the people he killed the First was controlling him, Spike had no say in what was happening, so put her trust in someone who had no control over himself - she couldn't have let herself be more biased if she had let him have nips from the potentials to keep him stronger.

But when it came to Anya she doesn't even try to talk her down, she goes straight for the kill.

Ehhh, Spike only showed fondness for the old days when he had no soul; mostly when he was chipped. As for forgiving himself for Wood's mother, I think that it was simply because he realized that it was a waste of time to endlessly kick himself down for what he did as a soulless vampire.

Regarding Anya, well, I never said she didn't help the Scoobies fight evil. However, I think that most of the time she did it for selfish reasons. Whether it was to save her own hide or to be *part of the gang*, she rarely showed true signs of heroism... Not until the end of season 7, at least.

Buffy didn't trust Spike wouldn't do something - she knew he was under the control of a malevolent spirit -, no, she simply believed in him. She believed that he could become a good man, a force for good. And she had good reasons to believe so: Spike had went through incredibly painful trials just to get his soul back; moreover he had helped them out of his own will for a while already. Buffy didn't want to waste a possible key player in her upcoming final battle against darkness! Oh and she loved him. THAT IS IMPORTANT, BEG! 😛 😉

In conclusion, when Buffy found out Anya had been responsible for the murder of those frat boys, she decided that Anya was not worth the trouble: she had to kill her. Personally, I agreed. I understood why Xander was against it, because just like with Spike/Buffy, there was love involved there. The difference for me - and I'm sure for Buffy - was that Anya had never been or proved that she could be a force for good.

P.S: I'm not a fan of Anya, but I will give her one thing: she was very brave in Chosen and her sudden death touched me more than Tara's for some reason.
 
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Ehhh, Spike only showed fondness for the old days when he had no soul; mostly when he was chipped. As for forgiving himself for Wood's mother, I think that it was simply because he realized that it was a waste of time to endlessly kick himself down for what he did as a soulless vampire.

But if your using pre-soul examples of Spike choosing to do good then he has to get burdened with all the bad. Season 7 Spike shouldn't be praised for getting a soul while saying all the bad stuff he did was just because he had no soul.
He is either the special vampire who had some form of humanity pre-souled, in which case should be held accountable for some actions.
Or season 7 Spike got screwed over by season 6 Spike who got a soul and ceased to be.
Picking and choosing the character traits for fans to build their own version of Spike doesn't work.

I don't think it should matter that he realizes theres no point in feeling guilty about killing Nikki, fine if he doesn't want to fight the good fight to be a good guy and seek redemption, but to show no level of remorse or sympathy to the man who's mom you killed, just makes him an ass.

Regarding Anya, well, I never said she didn't help the Scoobies fight evil. However, I think that most of the time she did it for selfish reasons. Whether it was to save her own hide or to be *part of the gang*, she rarely showed true signs of heroism... Not until the end of season 7, at least.

I wouldn't think of being part of the gang was a selfish reason, if she wanted to be part of the gang, she wanted to be their friend.
There was no reason not to go with Xander and Dawn and leave Buffy to fight Willow, but she did, she also tried to help them save Willow from getting vengeance, while she was a vengeance demon.
Spike is the same, the only thing he ever did truly as a good guy was die in the hellmouth, he did that because he was saving the world, everything else he'd done good was to get money, a safe place to stay or get in Buffs' pants!

Buffy didn't trust Spike wouldn't do something - she knew he was under the control of a malevolent spirit -, no, she simply believed in him. She believed that he could become a good man, a force for good. And she had good reasons to believe so: Spike had went through incredibly painful trials just to get his soul back; moreover he had helped them out of his own will for a while already. Buffy didn't want to waste a possible key player in her upcoming final battle against darkness! Oh and she loved him. THAT IS IMPORTANT, BEG! 😛 😉

See I can't wrap my head round this at all, how does she believe in him when he has no control?? It didn't matter that he'd gone through tough trials, he had no control!
I get believing in him in general, but at the time, the person she was believing in didn't exist when triggered.

I dont think she loved him, so thats besides the point, and only backs up my point anyway, she was being biased.

In conclusion, when Buffy found out Anya had been responsible for the murder of those frat boys, she decided that Anya was not worth the trouble: she had to kill her. Personally, I agreed. I understood why Xander was against it, because just like with Spike/Buffy, there was love involved there. The difference for me - and I'm sure for Buffy - was that Anya had never been or proved that she could be a force for good.

P.S: I'm not a fan of Anya, but I will give her one thing: she was very brave in Chosen and her sudden death touched me more than Tara's for some reason.

Yeah same as the examples above, Anya proved to be more of a good guy than Spike, Everything Spike did was for Buffy, everything Anya did was for Xander, till they broke up, there's no explanation for the good stuff she kept doing after that other than she was good. Even her vengeance was crap since becoming a demon again.

Buffy should have given her more effort, it was just another one in a string of Buffys' bad season 7 decisions.
 
Yeah same as the examples above, Anya proved to be more of a good guy than Spike, Everything Spike did was for Buffy, everything Anya did was for Xander, till they broke up, there's no explanation for the good stuff she kept doing after that other than she was good. Even her vengeance was crap since becoming a demon again.

Buffy should have given her more effort, it was just another one in a string of Buffys' bad season 7 decisions.

Anya proved to be more of a good guy? I can't figure that at all. Not even in the slightest. There's still the initial crime that so many seem to whitewash. She killed a truckload of people on a whim, just because she could. Feeling bad about it later on, and the fact that D'Hoffren the deux ex machina intervened and basically just said it never happened, shouldn't mean anything. Spike never did anything approaching that. He was clearly a good guy in S7. Anya was not.

And I'm not for a second using his pre-S7 actions here. Like I said before, I don't hold Spike accountable for what he did before S7, just as I don't hold Angel responsible for what he did without a soul. And that also means, as you said, that I don't put much weight on the good things he did without a soul, because just about all of them were motivated by anything but altruistic reasons. I don't however, feel that was the case after he got his soul back.

You can't hold someone responsible and try to kill them when they're literally being brainwashed and mind-controlled, as Spike was by The First. That's not "them" doing the killing. That doesn't make any sense. Anya didn't have that complication. She chose to do what she did, because she's a screw up. Does she have flashes of good moments? Of course, but on the whole, logically, Anya makes zero sense. And like I said, bravery and heroism are not even close to the same thing. S7 is quite literally the only time she's held accountable for the evil she commits. People just tend to forget that she tried to kill Willow too, that until the plot requires it she doesn't feel guilty or responsible for the thousands of men she's murdered. And let's call a spade a spade here. Anya is a murderer, many, many times over. Spike is not.
 
There is a very simple answer to this question. Buffy trusted and believed in Spike. She never doubted his resolve to be a good man, even before he won his soul. I can't recall a single time when she expressed that sort of trust in Anya, even at the height of Xander and Anya's romance. Anya said it herself. "Spike's got a 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card that none of the rest of us do." Credit that to whatever reason you choose, from reckless abandonment to true and eternal love, it is still a fact. Spike ALWAYS got the benefit of the doubt.

Anya was the ex-vengeance demon who lost her job and fell in love with Xander. Beyond being Xander's girl, she was just one step removed from nothing in Buffy's view,
 
Anya proved to be more of a good guy? I can't figure that at all. Not even in the slightest. There's still the initial crime that so many seem to whitewash. She killed a truckload of people on a whim, just because she could. Feeling bad about it later on, and the fact that D'Hoffren the deux ex machina intervened and basically just said it never happened, shouldn't mean anything. Spike never did anything approaching that. He was clearly a good guy in S7. Anya was not.

Well I was talking about the idea of fighting, because your doing something good. Spike never did that, it was always to win points with Buffy. Anya had numerous cases of doing good and having no real reason behind it.


You can't hold someone responsible and try to kill them when they're literally being brainwashed and mind-controlled, as Spike was by The First. That's not "them" doing the killing. That doesn't make any sense. Anya didn't have that complication. She chose to do what she did, because she's a screw up. Does she have flashes of good moments? Of course, but on the whole, logically, Anya makes zero sense. And like I said, bravery and heroism are not even close to the same thing. S7 is quite literally the only time she's held accountable for the evil she commits. People just tend to forget that she tried to kill Willow too, that until the plot requires it she doesn't feel guilty or responsible for the thousands of men she's murdered. And let's call a spade a spade here. Anya is a murderer, many, many times over. Spike is not.

I don think she should have killed him, I only mean if she was willing to give Spike some wiggle room, she should have done that for Anya.
It's all well and good to say you don't take pre-soul spike into consideration, but pretty much everyone else does. He's a different vampire, who doesn't really care about the bad things he did pre-soul, there wasn't a real difference after he got a soul, he shows little remorse for killing Nikki because nothing matters to him except Buffy. And that was all she wanted, someone to constantly tell her she was right, Anya didn't do that so she was expendable.
 
I only read the first few posts so apologies if this has been brought up, but a lot of people seem to be forgetting that Buffy didn't know at that point that Spike was under the influence of the First. She didn't know WHY he was killing again all she knew was that he was. But she bothered to find out.

With Anya, she didn't bother to find out. As D'Hoffryn pointed out, if anyone bothered to ask Anya, she wanted to take it back, and was willing to sacrifice herself to do it. Yes she was willfully killing again of her own choice, but she hated it, and she regretted it, and she wanted to fix it even if that meant killing herself. Let's not forget Willow chose to kill people too. Out of grief. Anya kills out of desperation.

Yes Buffy killed Angel, but that was in the absense of hope, when there was literally NO other choice and after half a season of trying to fight/cure him.

She went to kill Anya minutes after finding out she had murdered a group of frat boys and didn't even consider the options. (I'm the first to admit Anya didn't make easy to help her, she was very hostile to the group at this point). But surely to goodness Buffy could have found out the full story. She gave Spike this consideration. Some people have pointed out above that Buffy wasn't as close to Anya as Spike. That makes it worse! You don't just go and kill one of your friends (Buffy's words) without hearing the full story.

She certainly doesn't take this approach a few episodes later when Spike is killing again, and she has no idea why.

I guess this is where it gets difficult for the scoobies because we as viewers know that Anya is deeply troubled and needs help but to the gang it looks like she has just turned evil and started killing randomly. This is why they need to get to the bottom of it and it is eventually Willow who finds the way to do this (by summoning D'Hoffryn and together they get to the root of Anya's problem), while to Buffy's shame she just goes off to kill her. I've never quite understood why Buffy did this.

Usually when faced with a problem like this Xander, Buffy and Willow work it out together, then decide on the action, not "I'll go and kill her unless you can find another way before I get there. The race is on. Bye!"
 
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I only read the first few posts so apologies if this has been brought up, but a lot of people seem to be forgetting that Buffy didn't know at that point that Spike was under the influence of the First. She didn't know WHY he was killing again all she knew was that he was. But she bothered to find out.

With Anya, she didn't bother to find out. As D'Hoffryn pointed out, if anyone bothered to ask Anya, she wanted to take it back, and was willing to sacrifice herself to do it. Yes she was willfully killing again of her own choice, but she hated it, and she regretted it, and she wanted to fix it even if that meant killing herself. Let's not forget Willow chose to kill people too. Out of grief. Anya kills out of desperation.

But really, the fact that Anya felt bad about it...doesn't really mean anything. And I don't see how she killed out of desperation. She killed on a whim, and then freaked out about it. Nothing was pressing her to kill those guys. They were no threat. She did it because they were mean to another girl. That's it. I mean, agreed, Buffy could have looked into it a bit more, but unlike Spike, Angel and the rest, there was no deeper meaning. She just decided to kill them.

She went to kill Anya minutes after finding out she had murdered a group of frat boys and didn't even consider the options. (I'm the first to admit Anya didn't make easy to help her, she was very hostile to the group at this point). But surely to goodness Buffy could have found out the full story. She gave Spike this consideration. Some people have pointed out above that Buffy wasn't as close to Anya as Spike. That makes it worse! You don't just go and kill one of your friends (Buffy's words) without hearing the full story.

She certainly doesn't take this approach a few episodes later when Spike is killing again, and she has no idea why.

But again, what is the "full story"? And, Anya isn't Buffy's friend. She makes it quite clear, time and again, that she doesn't really like any of the Scoobies beyond Xander (and later, Andrew), and she's pretty horrible to Buffy later in S7. The evidence was pretty cut-and-dried, unlike Spike where it comes out of nowhere. Anya has a long history of being a vengeance demon, they know she willingly regained her powers, and they know she killed those guys. I mean, there wasn't much more to the story.

I guess this is where it gets difficult for the scoobies because we as viewers know that Anya is deeply troubled and needs help but to the gang it looks like she has just turned evil and started killing randomly. This is why they need to get to the bottom of it and it is eventually Willow who finds the way to do this (by summoning D'Hoffryn and together they get to the root of Anya's problem), while to Buffy's shame she just goes off to kill her. I've never quite understood why Buffy did this.

Usually when faced with a problem like this Xander, Buffy and Willow work it out together, then decide on the action, not "I'll go and kill her unless you can find another way before I get there. The race is on. Bye!"

They don't often face a problem like this though. Agreed, Willow should have been handled MUCH more harshly than she was. That's a huge complaint of mine that Buffy and company basically just say "oh, it's okay. Ending the world? No worries Willow, it happens" and then only mention it once or twice again for the rest of the series.

Anya was pissed off and sad about Xander leaving her. That's not an excuse to start randomly killing people for no reason. And honestly, it doesn't matter that she would sacrifice herself to take it back, or that she felt bad about it. She still did it, for no reason other than to make herself feel better (which obviously didn't work). Faith was deeply troubled, and she still had to answer for her crimes. Why does Faith have to go to jail for the people she killed, but Anya doesn't?
 
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I haven't read any of the previous comments because they are just too long for my short attention span tonight lol. I liked Spike but hated everything about him and Buffy together lol. I wanna start by saying I definitely think killing Anya was the right thing to do, whether she was sorry about it afterward or not. Another thing I think is that Anya was more dangerous than Spike. The things Anya would do to people weren't just wrong but cruel. The types of tortures that vengeance demons cursed on people were so awful. Anya, heartbroken, chose to become a vengeance demon knowing exactly what becoming that would entail. She knew exactly the types of things she would be doing but still chose to become that monster again. Spike though is a horse of a different color. He was a demon who didn't have a choice who after a a century or whatever is fighting his nature for the woman he loves, not that thats an excuse for killing again.
 
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Just want to add: remember that after Anya pleads with D'Hoffryn to "take it back," thinking she is sacrificing her own life in doing so, Buffy is obviously impressed. In the next episode(ish), Buffy invites Anya to stay with her at the house because she doesn't want "her friends" in danger.

So, again, I really think the formula with Buffy is quite consistent and has been since season 2. When it comes to demons: whether or not she loves them, she'll kill them if they're killing out of free will. When they do something to absolve themselves, (Spike's soul, Anya's attempt at self sacrifice for a time warp), she is glad to keep them around and protect/work with them by her side. In this way, she is quite fair.

Yes, her feelings for Spike might color her judgement. But ultimately if he were killing out of free will, he'd have suffered the same treatment as Angelus and Anya.
 
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Vengeance demons are more complex than your average MOTW demon for one reason: there is a human underneath all that demon surface, and unlike vampires, it is very, very possible to become human again. The fact that Buffy, grabbed a sword, gave an incredibly arrogant lecture on her being ‘’the law’’ (more on that later) and went out to kill Anya is appalling on a high level. It is also evident of her lack of demon knowledge, first, she grabbed a sword, which is simply put, not enough, and secondly, she didn’t even think to call on D’Hoffryn or look for other ways.

In The Wish, Wishverse Buffy and Giles have a very small conversation about what to do with Anyanka. Buffy suggests staking her, whilst Giles had no intention to kill her, yet find a way to reverse it. Season seven Buffy is incredibly similar: doesn’t want to stick around for plans or to do research, just wants to be, as D’Hoffryn described as ‘Ms Lady Hacks- Away’. And what happens? People die, like how Caleb killed two potentials in Dirty Girls.

Now onto Spike: the whole ‘he didn’t have a soul back then’ argument doesn’t work for the reason that so many fans praise him for: he had humanity. In Lies My Parents Told Me, he shows humanity to his mother. In Crush, he hesitates before sucking on an already dead partygoer. To quote the Judge, he ‘reeks of humanity’. Simply, having humanity, means responsibility. Seeking out his own soul isn’t wanting to be ‘the man he was’ it’s a sign of awareness. He was aware of what he was doing. He is an adult. Getting a soul just sewed all those threads together.

Now, in Sleeper, post CWDP, Buffy says that ‘she’ll have to see it for herself’. That means, she was waiting to see if someone would die by Spike’s hand. She might not be able to stop him. She even said to Wood in LMPTM that she would let Spike kill him. Even though the words ‘vampire slayer’ meaning you slay vampires, not defend them.

Simply put; the relationship she had with Spike was a lot deeper than the one she had with Anya. I don't believe any of the scoobies were friends with Anya...they were tolerant of her because Xander loved her. When Anya became a vengeance demon again and killed all those boys, she knew what she was doing, she had a conscience-she had a choice and yet she chose the wrong path.
I believe this is why Buffy had no issue with killing Anya if she had to. No emotional tie to her and she had chosen the path of evil; free will.

Which makes it worse. You don’t give free passes for others, and give a sword in the chest for others. And did Anya really choose the path of evil? Was she at her fullest mental strength and healthy post Hell’s Bell’s? Because to me, she’s sick. She’s disturbed. She’s ill. Like Willow was last year. If a slayer who has demon essence in her can get depression, who says a demon can’t be mentally ill?

As far as Buffy knew, Anya threw a hissy fit because of how her wedding went down, went out and regained her vengeance-demon powers, and then slaughtered a frat house full of guys, simply because she could, just as she had for a thousand years before S3 (where, let's not forget, she attempted to murder Willow several times in one episode. Why does that get glossed over?).

Spike was doing everything in his power to be a hero, to fight The First. He tells Buffy to kill him a few times to stop him. She doesn't because he's a genuinely good person. Anya, despite four and a half seasons of being with the Scoobies, STILL doesn't get it. Spike does. I'm not saying she's not brave. They all are. But bravery and heroism are very different things. Spike is a hero. Anya, until probably "Chosen", is not.

First off: Hissy fit? Not excusing Anya’s actions, but gee, if I was left at the alter, embarrassed, I would be incredibly pissed off. More than a meer hissy fit.

About Doppelgangland murder: well hey, Spike tried to murder Willow twice: in Lover’s Walk and the Initative. Because, it’s funny.

I definitely disagree about Anya not being a hero. She risked her life doing spells in Two to go and numerous other instances. In The Gift, she hit Glory with a baseball bat. In Chosen, she was brave. She had shown bravery in so many instances, and that, makes her a hero.

Ok but it's the same with Xander. He's all "No I still love her!" But look at him after Angel comes back from hell. He still wanted him dead. Did he not think Buffy still loved him? They are all switch up their opinions when different situations happen to them. And yea Spike was being controlled and Anya was not so there was a difference, even though Im sure deep down Buffys feelings for Spike did play a part.
Well, if I were Xander, I would personally go up to Angel and stake him myself. He tortured Giles, murdered Jenny Calendar and numerous classmates. Buffy was incredibly reckless in keeping him a secret. Whilst Xander shouldn’t have spied on Buffy and Angel, he was absolutely right in his reaction. Buffy had zero respect for others, especially Giles. Simply having a soul, isn’t enough to convince them, and shouldn’t be.

Anya proved to be more of a good guy? I can't figure that at all. Not even in the slightest. There's still the initial crime that so many seem to whitewash. She killed a truckload of people on a whim, just because she could. Feeling bad about it later on, and the fact that D'Hoffren the deux ex machina intervened and basically just said it never happened, shouldn't mean anything. Spike never did anything approaching that. He was clearly a good guy in S7. Anya was not.

I do agree that D’Hoffryn being able to reverse it is a deus ex machine, and if I was in charge of the script, he would have flat out told Anya no, and taken away her powers. However, the fact that she was willing to atone for it, by sacrificing her life, means a lot. Plus, there is the soul element of it, that she was willing to just perish into nothing. It’s the ultimate sacrifice, and sure as hell means something.

And, Anya isn't Buffy's friend. She makes it quite clear, time and again, that she doesn't really like any of the Scoobies beyond Xander (and later, Andrew), and she's pretty horrible to Buffy later in S7.

Frankly, Buffy deserved every single ounce of hatred and cruelty directed her way. She made fun of a girl who committed suicide (Get It Done), and by the way- good luck everyone trying to justify that to me. There. Is. No. Justification. For. That. She makes embarrassing remarks about democracy- in Empty Places- ‘democracies don’t win wars’. She tries to turn a bunch of scared, refugees into an army, using them as meer cannon fodder. She calls herself ‘the law’ even though she lacks the essential demon knowledge, and really, saving the world numerous times does deserve respect, but not to decide what another person does or doesn’t do. Anya’s comments about her speech ‘everyone sucks but me’ honestly, I was cheering her on. Because it was true. She expects everyone to just follow her orders because she is their commander. And her comments about Chloe? Gosh, Buff, that’s really pathetic.

And the power had really gone to her head. Being the slayer doesn’t automatically equate to leader or commander. She wanted to lead potentials into a vineyard with a man whose main intention is to kill each and every one of them. But, hey, as long as you get your shiny Toys R Us axe, it’s all good, right? Plus, in Empty Places, in the hospital scene, with Xander, she spends the whole entire time talking about his diet. Really?

Btw, I hope no one thinks that I’m attacking them. That’s not my intention- it’s just that I have a lot of thoughts on Anya, and season 7 Buffy, as well as The Potentials.
 
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