Buffy movie being developed without Joss

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Just got done listening to the commentary on "Not Fade Away" and at the end when the credits are rolling, Jeff Bell says to take a minute to read the names of all his colleagues, how much he'd enjoyed working with everyone and how much everyone credited contributed to the show "with the exception of two producers who's names I can't say cause Fox won't allow me to but they know who they are." Clearly referring to the Kuzui's. Thought it was interesting cause clearly there's a lot of resentment about them and not good feelings. Ugh really, can Joss or Fox not just buy back whatever rights to Buffy they have?! They really shouldn't be allowed to make a Buffy movie.

I guarantee you that in the Kuzuis' perfect world, Joss would have volunteered to make a movie... a whole series of movies, in fact... and the Kuzuis could continue doing what they do best: sit back and collect an effortless paycheck.

But Joss hasn't cooperated, and worse yet, he's been expending all his effort on non-Buffy-related new TV series that they aren't entitled to a piece of. And now the Kuzuis have no income at all except for the dwindling residuals on the Buffy and Angel DVD sets.

So, it's necessary to get proactive, and hang Buffy upside down and kick her a few times until money falls out of her pockets. That should keep them in QVC shoppin' money for a couple more years.
 
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I wouldn't be suprised if Kuzius plan all along was to say they're making a new Buffy movie so Joss would feel that he has to get involved in it, as he probably doesn't want them ruining it.
Anthony Stewart Head on the new movie:

A Big Screen Car Wreck?

Buffy star Anthony Stewart Head says he will not watch the new "˜Buffy The Vampire Slayer' movie when it comes out because it will be like "watching a car wreck".

The British actor who played Rupert Giles in the TV series of Buffy believes that the idea to create a new movie from the programme without any of the original cast or the shows creator Joss Whedon is an awful idea.

He says: "I wouldn't want to see it, no. The Kuzuis didn't do a great job on the movie the first time around. It was Joss Whedon's script at the age of 19, but they changed a lot of it. They said, "˜Look, we know best and we know how to make this movie,' and it became quite schlocky and high camp. It might be like watching a car wreck."

No Whedon, No Movie!

The star reveals that he nearly didn't audition for the role of Giles because of how bad the first movie was. In the end, he only auditioned because of Joss' original script rather than the original film.

He explains: "I went in and saw Joss and said, "˜I watched the movie last night' And he went, "˜Oh, did ya?' I just put it out of my mind. The bottom line is if a movie was ever to be made, it should be made with Joss Whedon, whether it's a retrospective or not. But it would be madness to do it without him. The Kazuis have the rights to it because they have the right to the original movie, but it should be interesting to see."

The TV show itself finished in 2003, but right owners Fran Rubel Kuzui and Kaz Kuzui are in talks with Vertigo Entertainment at the moment in order to resurrect the title character of the show/film, played by Kirsty Swanson in the original 1992 movie and Sarah Michelle Gellar in the TV series.

http://dwcfaces.com/2009/06/buffy-star-refuses-to-watch-new-film/
 
Would never have put money on my first proper post back here being about a new Buffy movie but guess you just never know.

My first instinct when I heard about this over at Whedonesque was that there's no point worrying. It's a different version to the show so even if it gets made then it won't effect anything we love of the show and comics. I'm as worried as anyone that this movie could be so bad as to forever damn the chances of there being a proper Joss written Buffy movie but even if that was to happen then we still have all the canon that exists and the ability to pretend that the new movie doesn't... y'know... exist!

The flipside is that it might end up actually being a good movie and a worthy companion to the Joss-Buffy story. Personally I really doubt it but I'll keep an open mind and wait and see. Really can't see how they can hope to make a Buffy story half as good as what we have when they only have access to the character of Buffy herself, an already deceased Merrick and Pike (and maybe Joyce? Was she named in the movie at all?) but I suppose that will help to distance it from the original Buffy if it does indeed suck.

So, yeah, I guess what this boils down to is that I'm really not letting this bother me too much. If they do it justice, I'll watch it. If not (a far more likely outcome, I reckon) I'll ignore it. Either way, the show and comics will remain.
 
If nothing else, this announcement has brought the name of "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" back into the public's eye. With a vengeance!
 
Exactly! Again, my worry would be that if they do this and it sucks then Buffy being back in the public eye will be for all the wrong reasons but we'll just have to wait and see. Truthfully, I still feel that it just won't happen or that Fox will try and get in first with an official Joss written version off the back of all this bad press for the Kuzui option but, again, we shall see.
 
It's unlikely this will spur Fox to make a movie... if they haven't seen the value of doing one in the past 5 years, I don't know that this will change their minds.

It's more likely they'll invoke their trademark ownership to either get the project shut down, or try to claim a share of the profits (which would probably amount to the same thing, since this would make it virtually impossible for any studio to make a profit off the movie.)

Joss has already casually mentioned (in his Wesleyan speech the other day) that Fox might be planning to pull a "Watchmen" on this project. That is not something potential studios want to hear.
 
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Whats a "Watchmen"? Sorry if its a stupid question...
Yeah, I'd have to agree with you there. My feeling is that, one way or another, Fox will want some sort of payout on this and if it's not by stepping in and making a Buffy movie of their own then it'll involve wanting a share of whatever the new version makes.

I don't think the possibility of Fox wanting to make a movie happen is quite so unlikely though. Certainly far from being definite but one thing the Kuzuis do have right is that vampires are big news and considerable profit right now and an established name like Buffy, especially when done right and to suit the fanbase, is potentailly very profitable indeed. Fox could easily use the negative press from this as a springboard for their own version. If it's going to happen anyway then why settle for just a piece of the pie?
 
Really can't see how they can hope to make a Buffy story half as good as what we have when they only have access to the character of Buffy herself, an already deceased Merrick and Pike (and maybe Joyce? Was she named in the movie at all?.

Nope watched that movie the other day and shes credited as "Buffy's Mom". I never could bring myself to watch it before because of all the hate it was getting shot at it by the cast and crew of the show and the fans. yet this whole remake nightmare forced me too. now that girl on screen, not the actress the charechter herself. cannot be called buffy, it isnt the girl weve all come to know and love. also half of the mythology sucks, I missed vamp Faces and dusting. also alot of it didnt make sense like when Buffy was fighting that main evil vampire she used a wooden flag pole to defend against a katana. not only did it just bounce of flimsily it made a metalic 'ching!' sound!!!!

I'm Glad this isnt thought of as a proper part of the Buffyverse. if they really want a remake (as stated before) It should end with SMG (being payed loooooads) telling some new slayers her story. at least then they can have the franchise contiuation that the kazuis want and still have to fans involved ( since were the ones who buy all the stuff)
 
Airam agrees: Whats a "Watchmen"? Sorry if its a stupid question...

When Warner Bros. announced they were making "Watchmen" into a movie (the famous graphic novel by Alan Moore), Fox claimed they still had the movie rights due to a contract signed years ago when Terry Gilliam was going to make the movie. It was in the courts for years, and was eventually decided in Fox's favor.

Fox was ruled to be entitled to a significant cut of the movie's profits... despite not having invested any money at all in it. It was a very expensive movie and didn't do as well as expected, so Warner Bros. may never see a profit on it, while every penny Fox makes off it is profit.

The threat of Fox doing this again would likely have a strong chilling effect on any studio's desire to make this movie and face a lawsuit from Fox, which owns all trademarks to the name "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
 
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ah I see, thanks. Lets definitely hope this happens in this case too and it kills the movie!
I always have thought it would be great to do a REAL movie (hoping for a trilogy) and condense the comics to do this with! That is just me though. With this new movie if they choose to call it "Lara The Vampire Slayer" I may be on board. Since, Into Every Generation A Slayer Is Born, why not focus on a different one!
 
When Warner Bros. announced they were making "Watchmen" into a movie (the famous graphic novel by Alan Moore), Fox claimed they still had the movie rights due to a contract signed years ago when Terry Gilliam was going to make the movie. It was in the courts for years, and was eventually decided in Fox's favor.

Fox was ruled to be entitled to a significant cut of the movie's profits... despite not having invested any money at all in it. It was a very expensive movie and didn't do as well as expected, so Warner Bros. may never see a profit on it, while every penny Fox makes off it is profit.

The threat of Fox doing this again would likely have a strong chilling effect on any studio's desire to make this movie and face a lawsuit from Fox, which owns all trademarks to the name "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

I've always wondered about that. If Joss, or someone else, for that matter, decided to make a new movie based on the BASIC CONCEPT Joss created, i. e., the "one girl in all the world/ Slayer" idea, and didn't use or refer to any of the characters in either the movie or the tv series (say, Joss wanted to make the movie, and he called it something like "Neala Murphy, Demon Hunter") would the studio still be able to make any legal claim? (And, how's that for a classic run on sentence?)

They got away with something similar for two years with "Dark Angel," and you might even say "Supernatural" would fit flawlessly into the Buffyverse, as would the SciFi channel's "Supernatural," and several others.
 
What does Dark Angel have to do with the buffyverse? The only similarity is the kick butt female but other than that they are completely different.
 
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Season 2 of "Dark Angel" was a lot more similar to "Buffy" that Season 1, except Max was DEFENDING her "demons" from normal humans.
I've always wondered about that. If Joss, or someone else, for that matter, decided to make a new movie based on the BASIC CONCEPT Joss created, i. e., the "one girl in all the world/ Slayer" idea, and didn't use or refer to any of the characters in either the movie or the tv series (say, Joss wanted to make the movie, and he called it something like "Neala Murphy, Demon Hunter") would the studio still be able to make any legal claim? (And, how's that for a classic run on sentence?)

A valid legal claim? Probably not. You can't copyright an idea, only the specific expression of that idea.

But, depending on how similar you made it, the studio could sue you anyway based on the claim that your creation creates confusion in people's minds and dilutes your IP.

They might not have enough to win that case in open court, but the idea behind most of those lawsuits is to do what Reagan did to the Soviets... keep throwing so much money into the arms race that the other side can't keep up anymore and gives in.

That's what Fox will probably do to Vertigo and the Kuzuis if they think they have anything resembling a case (and based on their documented, confirmed trademark ownership, I'd say they do). The law says if you don't defend your trademarks, you lose exclusive claim to them. Fox won't let that happen without a fight. The principle of the thing would outweigh even the monetary value of the Buffy property.
 
Here's five reasons why the movie won't work...I'm sure there are dozens more we could come up with😀


Five Reasons the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Reboot Won't Work
It's like remaking The Dark Knight without Nolan and Bale -- and without Batman and the Joker.

Sacha Howells, Jun 02, 2009
Back in the early nineties, director Fran Rubel Kuzui bought a script from an unknown Roseanne writer named Joss Whedon. The result was the 1992 movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer, starring Kristy Swanson, Luke Perry, and Pee-Wee Herman, a kitschy flop.

Five years later Whedon brought Buffy to TV, and the rest is history -- solid ratings, critical acclaim, and the most rabid fan base this side of a Star Trek convention. Buffy ended in 2003, and fans have been clamoring for a return to the screen since. So when Kuzui announced that she'd be rebooting Buffy that should have been good news. Unfortunately, her plan is pretty much the worst idea ever: She's doing it on her own, with no connection to the series.

Here are five reasons why there's no way this is going to work.

1. No Joss Whedon
It's hard to deny the Whedon factor. A girl who'd rather be stressing about the prom, but it just so happens she's destined to be a vampire killer? The concept itself isn't instant magic (sounds like the pitch for a Troma flick), it's what Whedon did with it. He wrote the best episodes of Buffy, and tea-leaf readers say they can see his hand even in the good ones where he doesn't get a credit. Take him out of the mix, and this could easily be like Charmed. Which, in case you haven't seen it, sucked. (I just had to higlight this part...cuz it gave me a happy😀)

2. No Actors From the TV Show
No Sarah Michelle Gellar, no Alyson Hannigan, no Nicholas Brendon, no Anthony Head. And fine, reboots often dump the original cast without losing the fans (see: Star Trek), but like FDR polio jokes in the '50s, this is definitely "too soon."

3. No Characters From the TV Show
Even if the fans could be won over with different actors, the word is already out that she won't be using any characters from the series: no Angel, no Xander, no Willow, no Spike. Which, with the movie making just $16 million and checking in with a whopping 32% on ye olde tomatometer, means this is like taking all the crappy stuff from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, without any of the good stuff.

4. An Inexperienced Director
The only other thing Kuzui's directed was a 1988 movie called Tokyo Pop, about an American girl who goes to Japan to become a bubblegum pop star. Ever heard of it? Me neither. Sure, she's credited as an executive producer on all the seasons of Buffy and Angel, but five bucks says that's a leftover of the deal she signed when she bought the original script rather than anything to do with creative content.

5. The Fans Will Explode
Usually, the idea behind a reboot is to make something that people will see because they liked the original. You know, because there are fans. And Buffy fans are legion and loyal, fueling a cottage industry of comic books, videogames, Hot Topic t-shirts, and more than sixty novels. But even a quick look at fansites like Whedonesque turns up quotes like "I feel like I might vomit" and "This is just an absolute nightmare."

So Kuzui's remaking a movie without using the writer, actors, or characters that made the franchise so popular, guaranteeing that she'll scare off the hordes of rabid fans that make the whole idea feasible in the first place. What could go wrong?

Five Reasons the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Reboot Wont Work - Film.com
 
I will concede the obvious. ANYONE who tries to remake, reboot, redefine, retell, rewrite, or recast "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" without involving the original cast or at least having substantial input from Joss is going to have a very tough row to hoe in producing a story that the fans will fall immediately in love with, or even willingly accept. However, with the right writers, the right actors, the right director, an adequate budget, and enough effective advertising beforehand, it could be done. Note that I said COULD. I am not familiar with anything that Kazui has directed, but I am willing to accept that he would probably not be the right director, but remember, movie projects sometimes change directors several times before even the initial casting begins. There is still time for this to develop into a workable, good quality movie. I, for one, sincerely hope that it will. I've seen actors replaced, directors replaced, writers replaced, even production studios replaced, and the resulting movie still turn out well. I intend to withhold both my judgment and, if justified, rightful wrath until after the final credits roll.

And the popcorn's still my treat for whoever cares to join me on opening night.
 
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I am not familiar with anything that Kazui has directed,

That's because she hasn't directed anything else, except for an obscure 1997 movie called "Tokyo Pop." Safe to say Vertigo does not have her on the short list.

Budget-wise, Vertigo's previous productions have tended to max out in the $10-$15 million range. And they're usually sharing the cost with other companies. No word if any others are on board with this project.

I intend to withhold both my judgment and, if justified, rightful wrath until after the final credits roll.

Since my wrath has nothing to do with the prospective quality of the movie, I have been able to use the Wrath Express Lane.

And the popcorn's still my treat for whoever cares to join me on opening night.

I've already eaten too much popcorn enjoying the spectacle of the fan and media response to this proposed movie.

If there is an opening night for this movie, I'm going to spend it having some friends over to watch a marathon of classic episodes of the one, the only Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
 
IM SO ANGRY I THINK I ACTUALLY CRIED!!!!!! HOW DARE THEY!!! AND WHATS UB WITH PEOPLE CALLING IT A REBOOT OF BUFFY....HELLO...BUFFY ISN'T THAT OLD FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!

NO SARAH.....NO JOSS....NO SCOOBIES....NO MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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IM SO ANGRY I THINK I ACTUALLY CRIED!!!!!! HOW DARE THEY!!! AND WHATS UB WITH PEOPLE CALLING IT A REBOOT OF BUFFY....HELLO...BUFFY ISN'T THAT OLD FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!

NO SARAH.....NO JOSS....NO SCOOBIES....NO MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!


I CANT WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE, ITS GONNA BE GREAT. IM GLAD THE OLD CAST AINT INMA BE IN IT AS THEY ARE PAST IT.

Lads, serioulsy...stop roaring. We hear ye loud and clear.

My take is still that this will be huge failure both artistically and with the box office but I guess all we can do is watch this play out. Train wreck that it is.

BTW, it's good to see some more people from my neck of the woods. What's the craic Galway? One more Limerick in the house😀
 
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