Did Buffy love Spike?

Tranquillity said:
here's a little something i made to help you make up your mind🙂
(URL to vid I can't re-post til I prove I'm not a spam bot)YouTube - Buffy Spike: Season Seven(/URL)
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...something... in my eye...

Really good vid. 🙂

Buffy loved Spike. Yep. I think she wanted to be close to him, and I think he understood her on levels nobody else could come close to. And I think she wanted to trust him again, at the end. And by then, well... when your squeeze is about to burst into flames, things are kinda rushed.

But in love? I'm not so sure Buffy thinks she can be in love with anybody, or that she's worth loving. Her uttering the ILY's might not have been right for that moment. And really, she doesn't just say it to anybody. But she knew this was it for him, and gosh, how do you say everything you need to say in 5 seconds or less? So, ILY meant the most. She said it. She meant it. But not the way he wanted it.
 
Simply put, no, I don't think she did.

I didn't think as much before, but then I remembered something in S4 (I believe it was....sorry, I can't remember which episode). Tara and Willow were discussing The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Tara said something along the lines of (not a direct quote, but I'll do my best): "It couldn't have a happy ending, because everything Quasimodo did was selfishly motivated. He had no sense of right, no moral compass, everything he did was out of love for a woman who would never be able to love him back. Plus, you can tell the story's not going to have a happy ending when the main character is all bumpy."

Now, who does that sound like? Spike. He did good things to impress Buffy, to prove to her he was worthy of her love (fighting demons, taking care of Dawn, etc etc). AND we all know he has a bumpy face. 🙂 Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but that (as well as other evidence) tells me Buffy never truly loved Spike, and I don't think she would ever be able to truly love him.
 
fly on the wall said:
Simply put, no, I don't think she did.

I didn't think as much before, but then I remembered something in S4 (I believe it was....sorry, I can't remember which episode). Tara and Willow were discussing The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Tara said something along the lines of (not a direct quote, but I'll do my best): "It couldn't have a happy ending, because everything Quasimodo did was selfishly motivated. He had no sense of right, no moral compass, everything he did was out of love for a woman who would never be able to love him back. Plus, you can tell the story's not going to have a happy ending when the main character is all bumpy."

Now, who does that sound like? Spike. He did good things to impress Buffy, to prove to her he was worthy of her love (fighting demons, taking care of Dawn, etc etc). AND we all know he has a bumpy face. 🙂 Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but that (as well as other evidence) tells me Buffy never truly loved Spike, and I don't think she would ever be able to truly love him.
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Well, first, it was season 5's episode "Crush".

This scene was indeed about Spike and his love for Buffy. And I think it was true, except it was only true for this season. Later on things changed. For example, Spike looked out for Dawn not only because he wanted to impress Buffy. He truly did care for Dawn, and he did it, and he helped the scoobies even after Buffy died. So I think that proves that Spike has really changed after this episode we're talking about.
 
Urgent Power said:
Well, first, it was season 5's episode "Crush".

This scene was indeed about Spike and his love for Buffy. And I think it was true, except it was only true for this season. Later on things changed. For example, Spike looked out for Dawn not only because he wanted to impress Buffy. He truly did care for Dawn, and he did it, and he helped the scoobies even after Buffy died. So I think that proves that Spike has really changed after this episode we're talking about.
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Yes, I agree that Spike changed, but I don't think the "a woman who would never be able to love him back" changed. ('Never' is a pretty loaded word.) Or the happy ending for the bumpy guy.
I think Buffy cared about him, and I think she wanted to give him something during his last moments alive, but I don't think she was ever truly in love with him.
 
this is something i've never been sure of.i wasn;t a fan of buffy and spike together when it first happened but as there relationship grew it was about passion, fire and to be quiet frank sex.did buffy love spike i'm not sure she did to beggin with, yes there would be feelings there but i dont think we ever really new with them.personally i think we got are answer in the season 7 finale when spike was about to go up with the sun light and that moment they shared was magical and so sad! buffy said she loved spike and he replied no you don't but thanks for sayin it (not sure on exact words). to me i always took this as buffy finally realising she did truely love him and spike said what he said to make it easier on the both of them(to get buffy to leave),despite loving her too.

i think originally spike just wanted to get with buffy as he knew it would give him ammo to annoy angel with,thing is it turne into an obsession and then love

does any one agree or disagree?
 
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Urgent Power
Partly agree. I agree about the obsession then love. But I'm not sure about Angel's part in it. Also agree about wanting to make it easier.
fly on the wall said:
Yes, I agree that Spike changed, but I don't think the "a woman who would never be able to love him back" changed. ('Never' is a pretty loaded word.) Or the happy ending for the bumpy guy.
I think Buffy cared about him, and I think she wanted to give him something during his last moments alive, but I don't think she was ever truly in love with him.
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I look at season 5 Buffy and Spike, and season 7-end Buffy and Spike. I think you can clearly see how much Buffy's feelings for Spike have changed during the last season.
 
i truely beleive when she saw what he was about to do/happen in the sence of the sun comin i on him,that her true feelings emerged and she realised the love for him, and as i said in turn he said no you don't but thanks for saying it,to make it easier on them both lol
 
Well, in S6, their thing was all about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with love, and everything to do with selfishness, abuse, sex, anger, frustration, self-loathing, and so on. Yunno... a relationship. Well... the relationship you get when you've got a vampire without a soul screwing a dead slayer who hates herself. But I digress.

S7 made an enormous change in their relationship, for obvious reasons. Learning to trust him again... well, it was a different kind of trust than their relationship was founded on just a year prior. Big, big changes in how they felt about each other, especially for Buffy by the end.
 
babyo0ogirl said:
In "Chosen" Buffy finally tells Spike that she loves him, but he replies with "No, you don't, but thanks for saying it" (or something to that affect). Do you think that she really loved him? I think she really did for a long time, but was too afraid to let anyone (especially herself) know it. What do you guys think?
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Marti Noxon (in the "Chosen" commentary) did say that Buffy loved Spike. Watch it. It's really interesting.
 
tinomars said:
I think Buffy loved Spike, not in the way she loved Angel. But she loved him very much!
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I completely agree. Buffy loved Spike in a more adult, mature kind of way (not to lesson the depth of her love for Angel. I love both Angel and Spike).
 
In the last few episodes in season 7 I think you can notice that maybe Buffy has some kind of feelings for the new Spike.
Besides that I can't see it at all.

But I am gonna trust Spike on this.
- No, you don't. But thanks for saying it.
He has always shown that he knows about this stuff (more than I ever will)

I can admit that Ripper 08 has a point a few posts up though... 🙂

/SK
 
Tranquillity said:
Lifeisjustthis wrote:


here's a little something i made to help you make up your mind🙂
YouTube - Buffy Spike: Season Seven
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Nice vid.
I did watch the Chosen commentary and I'm starting to change my mind after what Marti Noxon said....
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This is such a difficult subject for me. I mean, actions do speak louder then words often - and buffy did do many things for Spike - she protected him and confided in him, and later on, she trusted him. I feel maybe she did love him yet could not say it until she faced the thought of losing him. Her love for Angel was right off yet her love for Spike took time. I do have more to comment on this but I think I have t forget about it first. I was convinced for a long time that she did not love Spike. Now that i'm reconsitering my stance....I have to think for a while....
 
i have thought it long time ago and as I watched it over again something came up on my mind....
Buffy's love for Angel is a First Love which means forever "First love never dies" that what they say....
But for Spike is different She loves Spike for many reason and yet she only revealed it in the last epi of S7. Spike died as a Hero for saving the world and that Buffy would never forget it.
I had watched Angel before and if I recall it Spike dont like Buffy to know that he is alive again coz he wants Buffy to know that he's a Hero for saving the world tell me if i was wrong on it....
Forgot to say there's a teenager who told Buffy that his shirt was gonna stain and that girl had a pyschic power I guess when Spike help her that girl told Spike "Someday, she will tell you" I guess what she will tell is "I love You" and Buffy told Spike at the last moment

Sry for the long post
 
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Blondie Bear
That's not long AT ALL. You haven't seen some of Joyce Summers' or Palabravampiress'.
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