Did Buffy love Spike?

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In "Chosen" Buffy finally tells Spike that she loves him, but he replies with "No, you don't, but thanks for saying it" (or something to that affect). Do you think that she really loved him? I think she really did for a long time, but was too afraid to let anyone (especially herself) know it. What do you guys think?
 
I think there are lots of categories of "love." And while Buffy probably did eventually come to feel something for Spike, I don't see it as being the "You're the one" kind of love that he wanted.
 
I don't necessarily think that she wanted to be with him forever, but like she told Angel, she wasn't ready for that with anyone yet....but I still think she loved him a lot more than she wanted to let on. If that makes sense.
 
I believe Buffy did love Spike. I think she started to feel it a long time before, but she didn't want to admit it to herself. In "Chosen" when she tells him that she loves him she looks to me like she was finally realizing it. Of course her feelings for Spike weren't the same as for Angel but this time it was a very mature love. It came from all these things they came through together. They knew each other very well and after all they was always honest with each other. Buffy felt free to tell Spike things she couldn't talk about with Scoobies, like for example how she felt when she came back from the death.
 
I think this topic has been discussed many times over and It seems everyone has a diffrent opinion. I think that Buffy loved Spike but not in the sense of being "in love" with him. I think that she loved who he was. If that makes sense. While I appreciated Spuffy (especially after Riley) I am truly a bangle fan. I believe them to be soul mates and I believe that is where her heart will always be. Sorry for the biased opinion. LOL 😛
 
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RogueHunter
I'm with ya in the bias there.
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Blair Waldorf-Bass
Haha I disagree
I think while she may have loved him, it was more like a respective love. She loved him for what he was doing, and for how he had proven himself a different man. I liken it to after you have a rocky breakup with someone and you find a place where you can be together later on and you still love them. Does that make sense?
 
I think she did LOVE him, but was not IN LOVE with him.
There is a difference.

I think that once she came to terms with her life, and with his unlife, she appreciated his love and his resilent nature.
He never left her, like the others, but he didn't take her crap.

But I don't believe Buffy loved Spike in the way he wanted her to. If you remember, Spike showed more restraint and compassion sans soul than any vampire. She constantly compared him to Angel, who had his soul forced upon him to act as a muzzle. But she only expressed her love of him after he got his soul, which tormented him constantly. He tried to prove himself a better man without the soul but realized she would never let herself love a soul-less vampire, even if he proved himself time and time again.

I don't believe Buffy could ever give Spike the love he wanted, which is why he said "No, you don't."

I'm babbling and there is more to this. I just can't seem to get it all out.
 
I agree with most of the people that have replied here. While I think that Buffy loved Spike, it was not the type of forever love that she had with Angel. She respected him and had very strong, loving feelings for Spike, and I think that if they had both lived, there was a chance that it could have turned into a forever type of love.
 
I agree with most of you, I also think that Buffy loved Spike. But she was not IN LOVE with him. I think she wasn't ready for loving anyone at that point. But i'm sure Spike got really to her. I believe tthey would never be together but I also believe that what they had was really special and something that you can't find just somewhere around the corner. It was something really touching and special.
 
Buffy told Dawn that she "Felt for him," she told Angel that Spike was "In my heart," and asked Willow why she thought that she was "Still in love," with Spike, and told him in what she honestly believed were his last moments on earth that she "Loved him." . That she had feelings for him is a certainty. Whether she felt the kind of love that leads to a long term relationship with him, or anyone else, for that matter, I have honestly begun to doubt.
 
I can not give an unbiased opinion on Spike because I hate the character and believe that Joss Whedon broke his own canon to keep Spike around. With that said I think that Spike and Buffy had an extremely unhealthy relationship before and after the soul. However it is entirely possible for people to love each other in dysfunctional relationships. I Just do not understand how Buffy would come to love such an unrepentant PoS. Also, I'll take Spike on face value when he tells her that she doesn't love him.
 
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Blair Waldorf-Bass
I disagree. I think Joss did an excellent job with his character and that love isn't always what it seems.
I don't know how anyone can think she didn't love Spike.

My brain is all fuzzy and tired right now, so I really don't have the brain power to analyze Buffy on more than a Giles = hot level, so intelligent analysis and critical insight will have to wait for another day. The gist of my usual argument, though, is that I think that of all of Buffy's romantic relationships, Spike was the person with whom she had the deepest, most meaningful connection. They began as worthy opponents, then they became reluctant allies, then friends, then lovers, and then, finally, they fell in love. They knew each other on all levels. They knew each other's strengths and each other's weaknesses. They'd seen the best AND the worst in one another. Over the course of those experiences, they forged a connection. Spike knows Buffy like no one else does. And she knows him like no one else. That kind of love isn't pretty. It's not hearts and flowers and its not for kiddies. But it's real and it's lasting and it'll get you through an apocalypse or two -- literal or metaphorical.

In many ways, their relationship reminds me of the one that I have with my hubby. No - we never tried to kill/rape/maim or otherwise harm each other. I'm just saying that we've known each other since we were kids. We've seen each other through crises. We've seen each other with other partners. We've seen a lot of not-so-stellar moments (okay; most of those were mine). Other men tried to put me on a pedestal. They wanted to love their perfect idea of me and ignore or deny the rest. But my hubby... he loves me warts and all. He can acknowledge my faults and love me not in spite of them, but even in part because of them. And I feel the same way about him. I, personally, am hard-pressed to call any other kind of love "love."

So when someone asks me whether or not Buffy loved Spike, I always think, "how could she not?" You don't bare your soul - warts and all - to someone the way she did with Spike and walk away with your heart untouched. She let him in in a way in which she has never let anyone else in before or since. I'm not saying he was the love to end all loves or better than or worse than certain other loves. I'm just saying that if what I saw develop with them over time and come to fruition at the end of season 7 wasn't love, then I don't know what is.
 
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Willow Rosenberg
Willow Rosenberg
You said everything I wanted to say, only WAY better! :D They were connected like no other 2 characters have I think.
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groovygarden
Well said. It was a more mature, complex relationship. And though I love Bangel, this is why I love Spuffy more.
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hazzard
great post. i completely agree.
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Blair Waldorf-Bass
Wow.... this was so beautiful. 5783975894 karma
palabravampiress said:
I don't know how anyone can think she didn't love Spike.

My brain is all fuzzy and tired right now, so I really don't have the brain power to analyze Buffy on more than a Giles = hot level, so intelligent analysis and critical insight will have to wait for another day. The gist of my usual argument, though, is that I think that of all of Buffy's romantic relationships, Spike was the person with whom she had the deepest, most meaningful connection. They began as worthy opponents, then they became reluctant allies, then friends, then lovers, and then, finally, they fell in love. They knew each other on all levels. They knew each other's strengths and each other's weaknesses. They'd seen the best AND the worst in one another. Over the course of those experiences, they forged a connection. Spike knows Buffy like no one else does. And she knows him like no one else. That kind of love isn't pretty. It's not hearts and flowers and its not for kiddies. But it's real and it's lasting and it'll get you through an apocalypse or two -- literal or metaphorical.

In many ways, their relationship reminds me of the one that I have with my hubby. No - we never tried to kill/rape/maim or otherwise harm each other. I'm just saying that we've known each other since we were kids. We've seen each other through crises. We've seen each other with other partners. We've seen a lot of not-so-stellar moments (okay; most of those were mine). Other men tried to put me on a pedestal. They wanted to love their perfect idea of me and ignore or deny the rest. But my hubby... he loves me warts and all. He can acknowledge my faults and love me not in spite of them, but even in part because of them. And I feel the same way about him. I, personally, am hard-pressed to call any other kind of love "love."

So when someone asks me whether or not Buffy loved Spike, I always think, "how could she not?" You don't bare your soul - warts and all - to someone the way she did with Spike and walk away with your heart untouched. She let him in in a way in which she has never let anyone else in before or since. I'm not saying he was the love to end all loves or better than or worse than certain other loves. I'm just saying that if what I saw develop with them over time and come to fruition at the end of season 7 wasn't love, then I don't know what is.
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Wow! I'd hate to read what you'd put if you had all your brain power. lol I thought my response was the short, unthought of one. lol
That's what I was trying to say is what you said...

No, my friend, this brain is the one all fuzzy... ::huh1::
 
The one thing that really annoys me is the infamous "Why does everything think I'm still in love with Spike" line. Many Spuffy fans use this as a life line when arguing about Buffy's feelings about Spike and to be honest, it makes me feel sorry for them.

The first time she admits she loves Spike and it's played out almost as a joke, without sentiment. Believe you me, I'm coming at this from a Spuffy perspective. She could hardly reconcile herself with having loving feelings for Spike and then it's suddenly accepted and is a offhand comment, virtually without sentiment? Bangelists would get more satisfaction from her line in Selfless about Buffy loving Angel more than she'll ever love anything in the world. If this line is legitimate, I feel sorry for hardcore shippers. Spuffy deserves more than that.
 
I think that Buffy's love for Spike had more of an adult feeling towards him, were as Angel was Buffy's first love. Spike was there for Buffy when she needed him and for that she loved him.
 
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scarybunny97
^my feelings in a nutshell. Bangle and Spuffy were different loves, but both LOVE.
I think she did love him for a while in season 6... I really do...When she told Tara about sleeping with spike I don't believe she would of told anyone if it didn't mean anything to her...
 
I think she was in love with him.

By the end I think Spike knew Buffy better than anyone else did, so I was thinking on the train this morning, how come I think she loved him, but he said she didn't?

Personally, I think it's because he knew that she didn't love him in the same way he loved her. He was coming to the end of his journey and knew himself better than he ever had before, and he knew Buffy was the one. In comparison Buffy's journey had only just begun - she was still cookie dough - capable of love, but, perhaps rightly, not yet ready to let herself go completly. And if Buffy was only cookie dough by the end of season 7, she was still raw ingredients during her relationship with Angel.

When I was watching Buffy when it first aired, the Bangel relationship appealed a lot - it was like a fairytale love story. But now I'm a bit older (urgh 11 years!) I find Spuffy more interesting and realistic. It's still a love story, but a slightly more grown up one. It's still romantic, but also complicated and messy at times.

On another note, what do people think happened on that last night before the battle? That scene where Buffy walks into Spike's cellar and they stand opposite each other. In the commentary Joss said he left it like that so viewers can make their own decision what happened, which was very nice of him. Personally I think they slept together, but not in a season 6 kind of way! Completely the opposite in fact.
 
groovygarden said:
I think she was in love with him.


On another note, what do people think happened on that last night before the battle? That scene where Buffy walks into Spike's cellar and they stand opposite each other. In the commentary Joss said he left it like that so viewers can make their own decision what happened, which was very nice of him. Personally I think they slept together, but not in a season 6 kind of way! Completely the opposite in fact.
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In the commentary, Joss said that he wanted that fade to black scene with Buffy and Spike the night before the final battle to be as ambiguous as possible in order for each fan to pretty much imagine whatever they wanted there. Did they make love? Did they sit and reminisce about their time together? Did they sit up all night discussing strategy? Did they make plans for the future? Take your pick.
 
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