Discussing Fanfic: We Will Remember Them... by Lilachigh

[Priceless]

@Meliza told me about an audible fanfic site called audiofic and I listened to a great fic yesterday Super Food World by valerie_z. It's a pretty short dramedy and it's really well written. Does anyone else listen to audiofic or any other audible fanfic sites? I'd never heard of such a thing until yesterday 😳🙂

 

[white avenger]

@Meliza told me about an audible fanfic site called audiofic and I listened to a great fic yesterday Super Food World by valerie_z. It's a pretty short dramedy and it's really well written. Does anyone else listen to audiofic or any other audible fanfic sites? I'd never heard of such a thing until yesterday 😳🙂

I've never heard of anything like that either, but I love audiobooks. I got hooked on them back when I was spending almost an hour each way to and from work many, many years ago. I would definitely be interested in a site like that.

 

[Priceless]

I've never heard of anything like that either, but I love audiobooks. I got hooked on them back when I was spending almost an hour each way to and from work many, many years ago. I would definitely be interested in a site like that.

I tend to only read Spuffy fanfic, and there only seems to be 7 fics on the site that I'd listen to, but the site seems packed with other works. I did find it a bit awkward to search for fics, and eventually did it by 'relationship'. If you do use the site, please let me know what you think. I'm definitely going to use it again.

 

[Puppet]

@Priceless do you have a link to this site?

 

[Priceless]

@Priceless do you have a link to this site?

http://www.audiofic.jinjurly.com

This is the link @Meliza gave me. Must give her another big thank you. If this link doesn't work, go into my profile post and you can find the link from Meliza

 

[Priceless]

Finally finished! Now I understand where the similarity to The Great Escape came from 🙂 Over long, and I wasn't actually sure what the purpose of Buffy going back in time was. Agree with all the comments about the overuse of Jeez, it started to get ridiculous. But it had some nice moments, I like the snark between them, so 5/10

 

[white avenger]

If you do use the site, please let me know what you think.

I've listened to one story there, which was okay, though the narrator could use some more practice. I do agree, navigating around there is somewhat difficult.

 

[flow]

@white avenger : Are you going to start a thread for Daylight ? I think, we have all agreed on it. I wouldn`t mind waiting until friday though, because Yeez (sorry, this is a side effect of reading We Will remember them) RL has really gotten in my way the last couple of weeks. But I will be on vacation from friday on and hopefully have lots of time to read !

flow

 

[white avenger]

@white avenger : Are you going to start a thread for Daylight ?

I'll start the thread Friday, then. There is a sequel, by the way, and I'll post both, just in case anyone wants to read both.

 

[Priceless]

I'm going to try and start reading Daylight today because I seem to be falling behind, so I might do better with a head start 🙂

 

[white avenger]

"Daylight" is the first of a post "Not Fade Away" series, so I will be posting a couple of the sequels as well for those interested, if no one objects, but the thread will still be primarily about "Daylight."

 

[PaulParmar1]

I'll start reading this weekend!🙂

 

[Stoney]

"Daylight" is the first of a post "Not Fade Away" series, so I will be posting a couple of the sequels as well for those interested, if no one objects, but the thread will still be primarily about "Daylight."

I'll see what I think to the first, but may well read the sequels too. Having avoided later fics I've not really ventured often into post AtS ones so I'm looking forward to this. 🙂

 

[TriBel]

I wasn't actually sure what the purpose of Buffy going back in time was.

Aside from saving the child who becomes her great? grandmother? Aurora*, is the Latin word for dawn, and the goddess of dawn in Roman mythology and Latin poetry. Interestingly, in some versions of myth, she’s the daughter of Hyperion (Isn't this the hotel Angel has?). She has two siblings, a brother (Sol, the sun) and a sister (Luna, the moon). This feeds my theories about Twilight.

Spike speaks Latin (he tells us this) so he'd know this. - it's piggy=backing on the love he shows for Dawn in the series. The implication being that not only does Buffy save her own father (the patriarchal past that will/has done so much damage) but she also saves that thing she will die for (thus enabling the resurrection in 6 - providing the basis for the emergence of the relationship between them). However, we know the complexity of Dawn's real and symbolic relationship to Buffy (that she's Buffy as a child, an unsullied part of Buffy etc) so this also feeds into the symbolism of the baby. In addition, I'm wondering it there's a crossover with A5 where Spike saves Junior?

I think in part (a very large part), it's about cultural representation and frameworks of understanding. The implicit and explicit reference to film and cinema-going suggest that movies play a big part in structuring people's relationship with the world (confirmed by John Baxter who describes Spike and his army as "monsters from his comic books, demons from Saturday morning flicks"). It's telling that Spike mentions Westerns as his favourite form. This is pre-The Searchers - Ford's valediction to the Western (it's telling from the vampire perspective that thresholds are so important in The Searchers). The point I'm making is most of the Westerns he's seen will emphasis difference - they'll have a clear cut us/them white hat/black hat mentality - there's no blurring of boundaries. It's interesting that Spike is the one who is emphatic about difference - as illustrated by his use of national stereotypes.

I was going to write more but I've forgotten the plot and I haven't got time to re-read. My opinion? It's dead clever this! I love what she does with the poem!

 

[Priceless]

Aside from saving the child who becomes her great? grandmother? Aurora*, is the Latin word for dawn, and the goddess of dawn in Roman mythology and Latin poetry. Interestingly, in some versions of myth, she’s the daughter of Hyperion (Isn't this the hotel Angel has?). She has two siblings, a brother (Sol, the sun) and a sister (Luna, the moon). This feeds my theories about Twilight.

Spike speaks Latin (he tells us this) so he'd know this. - it's piggy=backing on the love he shows for Dawn in the series. The implication being that not only does Buffy save her own father (the patriarchal past that will/has done so much damage) but she also saves that thing she will die for (thus enabling the resurrection in 6 - providing the basis for the emergence of the relationship between them). However, we know the complexity of Dawn's real and symbolic relationship to Buffy (that she's Buffy as a child, an unsullied part of Buffy etc) so this also feeds into the symbolism of the baby. In addition, I'm wondering it there's a crossover with A5 where Spike saves Junior?

I think in part (a very large part), it's about cultural representation and frameworks of understanding. The implicit and explicit reference to film and cinema-going suggest that movies play a big part in structuring people's relationship with the world (confirmed by John Baxter who describes Spike and his army as "monsters from his comic books, demons from Saturday morning flicks"). It's telling that Spike mentions Westerns as his favourite form. This is pre-The Searchers - Ford's valediction to the Western (it's telling from the vampire perspective that thresholds are so important in The Searchers). The point I'm making is most of the Westerns he's seen will emphasis difference - they'll have a clear cut us/them white hat/black hat mentality - there's no blurring of boundaries. It's interesting that Spike is the one who is emphatic about difference - as illustrated by his use of national stereotypes.

I was going to write more but I've forgotten the plot and I haven't got time to re-read. My opinion? It's dead clever this! I love what she does with the poem!

You found far more depth in this story than I did. I liked that Aurora was Buffy's grandmother, and of course it was only saving her that meant Buffy had the life she did. But I'm not sure that's what the Watchers Council had in mind when they sent Buffy back in time.

Do you think the writer made all the cinematic references on purpose? Good call about The Searchers. I'm not really a western fan, but isn't that the film which produced that famous image of John Wayne silhouetted in the doorway?

Why did you enjoy the use of the poem so much? You definitely saw more in this story than I did 🙂

 

[GoSpuffy]

@white avenger is it daylight by Addie Logan? Not that I'm peaking! Yes, I admit it I'm totally scoping it out.

 

[TriBel]

that famous image of John Wayne silhouetted in the doorway

Yes - it's Ethan's "can't be a monster - can't be a man" type moment. It sort of marks the end of the cowboy as the masculine ideal - society has become too civilized. Spike has to become civilized in the sense that he has to become more human. (LOL! Ethan probably rides off to get a soul! Yep - I'm sure it was done on purpose - as were the fairy story references.

I made a fuss about Beauty and the Beast (did I write that above) because it's the founding Monster myth (according to Warner). Most fairy stories originated as folk tales, cautionary tales. Often the same tale was rewritten to reflect something about the age and place they were told. So the tales collected by the Bros Grimm in Germany would be slightly different than the earlier tales collected in France by Perrault. They're not timeless - they change overtime because they're not simply stories - they convey an ideology specific to the time. Sometimes it reinforces dominant ways of thinking - sometimes they’re a form of transgression. Aurora is the name given to Beauty in the Disney film - there's a nice crossover between European myths and their rewriting by America.

There a more serious side to it – it does tangentially address the Holocaust. I accessed the writer's blog (it's not something I usually do) and there was this remark: "All I could think of today was comment made by a young relative recently who was "doing" the Second World War as history at school. She couldn't understand why so many people had been taken in by a silly little man with a ridiculous moustache who just shouted at them. I think I can hear the same sort of remark being made sixty years hence - if we're all still here!" Seems the idea of history repeating itself is something she’s interested in.

The poem - They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: (Vampires don't grow old) Age shall not weary them, (it doesn't) nor the years condemn (actually, the years do condemn in the sense that the stories we tell about vampires change over the years). At the going down of the sun and in the morning (who is she spending her nights with back in the US?). We will remember them (requires no analysis).🙂

 

[white avenger]

Good call about The Searchers. I'm not really a western fan, but isn't that the film which produced that famous image of John Wayne silhouetted in the doorway?

Yes - it's Ethan's "can't be a monster - can't be a man" type moment. It sort of marks the end of the cowboy as the masculine ideal - society has become too civilized. Spike has to become civilized in the sense that he has to become more human. (LOL! Ethan probably rides off to get a soul! Yep - I'm sure it was done on purpose - as were the fairy story references.

That iconic scene was John Wayne's tribute to his dear friend, the late Harry Carey, the stunt man who had worked with him on practically every western movie that he had made since "The Big Trail." (Carey's son, Harry Cary, jr. played Brad Jorgenson in the movie) Carey would often stand like that, left hand on right elbow. It was a totally spontaneous shot that John Ford, also a friend of Carey, allowed to stay in the final cut.

The scene, itself, symbolized the fact that, without the quest, Ethan had no place. His life's mission had been fulfilled. Everyone else went into the ranch house, leaving him standing outside, even going so far as to close the door.

(Sorry, folks, but I'm an unabashed, and totally unrepentant, John Wayne fan. He is, for me, THE Man, the standard by which all fictional characters are measured, and,more often than not, fall short.)

 

[TriBel]

The scene, itself, symbolized the fact that, without the quest, Ethan had no place.

That was - in a sense - the point I was making. I wasn't actually using The Searchers as a model for the story - just saying that it marked a different understanding of the place of the cowboy (just as fairy stories over time mark a different understanding of the monster). It's interesting though that it's also a film about the fear of miscegenation - which sort of parallels aspects of the holocaust and Spike's quite overt nationalism. Also interesting that Joy chooses to stay in France - rather like Debbie wants to remain with the Comanche. Isn't Martin mixed heritage? LOL! Just realised that when Martin wishes him dead Ethan responds with "That'll be the day""! That aside, the point I was making was that the Western helped inform Spike's sense of self (just as Punk Rock will inform it later) and fairy stories/myth inform our understanding of vampires/monsters. I'm actually quite intrigued now by the overlap.