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Discussion of 1.02 "Lonely Hearts" - Aired 10/12/99 (WB-US)

Mr Trick

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I liked that we got to see what a vision was like for Doyle and Cordelia and Angel got to see how it affects him too. Loved the guys reaction to Cordelia's place, poor Cordy, she wasn't expecting visitors.

Do many clubs over there let under 21s in? I know she wasn't drinking but Cordelia is only 18 afterall, I did enjoy the barfight, was kinda hoping that it would be Cordelia the one to hit him and start it though!

I think in a way all 3 of them are lonely, none of them at this point really know each other that well or have anyone else.
To be fair Cordy does look quite a bit older than 18 (no surprise as CC would have been about 30 if not older at the time;)), so its possible that the owners would just assume that she is old enough, or maybe she has a fake ID, or even they are willing to overlook it for the sake of more business.
 

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Doyle, ask Cordy out :)

Cordy made calling cards, she would've never done that a year before...

Doyle's having a vision :(

Sharon, don't go with him, it's not safe...

Ken and Barbie have had it too easy, since they're dolls :p

I would beware of Kevin...

Cordy's doing a tactless job at giving call cards, Doyle's giving good advice :)

Kate shows up, I remember not liking her very much...

"International house of posers" :D

If Angel wasn't a vampire, I could see him being an animal doctor :)

Doyle, just ask Cordy out already...

Kate, almost anything is better than being a hypocrite.

I don't think the people in the fancy LA bars are used to seeing fights in their fancy bars...

Angel, socializing is brutal, but you can make it less brutal :)

Sharon killed Kevin :eek:

Cordy needs to learn how to use the internet...

I still don't like Kate, she shouldn't have told Angel to "go to hell" :mad:

I think that Sharon's a serial killer...

I don't think that Cordy is into demons, if she only knew she would be half of one in 2-3 years time.

I've never seen Angel run so fast.

Sharon's a demon, a creepy one :eek:

It was probably passed down from Kevin...

Kate, don't shoot :mad:

Cordy, your place is a dump...

Now that so called Screech is making his moves...

and Kate's still searching for Angel...

Doyle and Cordy sure seemed cozy on that couch ;)

The bartender hits Kate with a bottle, and he's about to kill himself with that thing :eek:

Now the bartender is hitting on girls, and it's creepy...

and he's just getting uglier and uglier...

Seems like Kate's coming around to Angel after killing that bartender.

Doyle and Cordy go back home so that Angel can brood.

Next time:a crossover episode with Oz and Spike.
 

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I had a good time watching this episode. It isn't fabulous but that interested me. Maybe it's because it talks about loneliness and i consider myself as a solitary, so i guess i felt concerned.
The thing about loneliness is that everyone feel it differently. Some do not support this void in them and try to fill it by another presence. Some others enjoy it and are adepts of the phrase : "it's better to be alone than badly accompanied !" . I also think that loneliness is a feeling that we can feel either by choice or by obligation.


The nightclub is full of people who suffer to be alone and i don't believe they are it by will. This place has, by definition, a festive vibes, much noises, surounded by people, all of this is in opposition to the silence that reigns in theirs lives. People go it hoping find THE person who will break the calm inside them and make them exist . Even if be here is their decisions, it resulted from actions that didn't depend on them. I mean, if outside, they had attention they wanted, they woudn't be here searching love or just someone who will be listen them.
Figuratively, the monster of this episode is the perfect illustration. It needs coupling for its survival. Loneliness is something it doesn't support, something that completely devours it, so it seeks the body that will make it definitely exist.

On another side, some people as Angel, enjoy loneliness because this is not something they suffer but a necessity. The episode starts and ends on Angel in full reflection, sitting in the dark. He isolates himself and this is his choice. Personally, I confess that I am a little like him on this point. I'm sociable but sometimes i want to be alone. It is in these situations that I do a job on myself. However staying alone all the time is not a good thing so i love the shocking entrance of Doyle who turns on the light and gets Angel out of his thoughts and offers him to go out to improve his social relations.


New character ! Her name is Kate ! Nice introduction. At the beginning, i was thinking that she was the future victim. She was so vulnerable and a little touching. When i discovered she was a cop, i was surprised because everything that came out of her was the opposite of what I thought until then. She has great strenght and more personality. I really appreciate the contrast. There is an interesting connection between Angel and her. I think there is a pretty good chemistry between Elizabeth and David. Theirs interractions give impression of a game of seduction. Kate played her role as a girl in search of love to bait the assassin but I think there is a part of truth in her words and then she shows that she isn't insensible to Angel, there are signs ! Angel played a bit the seducer too, but he has advantageous physique, he doesn't know how to approach a girl and that make him awkwardly touching and then he speaks well when he wants, so I think it was not really voluntary on his part. He just wanted to be nice I think. In any case, the charm was present. To finish about Kate, i juste want to say that i think her doubts about Angel are justified. She finds him on a crime scene, really difficult to leave him the benefit of doubt, she acts as a cop and as a normal human i think. I like when we see Kate visits Angel's home whereas Angel seeks the demon in the streets of L.A. Beautiful song in this moment ("VAST-Touched" Thanks Shazam). It's like the characters are opposites to finally understand and apprehend each other. I'm wondering how their relations will be developed.. Maybe a romance ? I'll see !


The sexual metaphor (exchange of body = penetration) in relation to loneliness is not subtle but surpassed the adventures of one evening that are there only to make understand that it is vexing, lead to a decrease in the esteem of Self to think that we have been one of many, what I appreciated is the parallel between this monster and Angel-Doyle. The parasite has a liberated sexuality, it sleeps on the right and on the left, it takes much pleasure. Conversely, Angel restricts himself because of the curse and it's a little stupid, it doesn't be perfectly happy by simply sleeping with a girl. Doyle is in love with Cordelia but he doesn't tell her, the parasite seems to have no problem making discussion. Sometimes, it would be nice if we could lift the inhibitions!


There is a great complicity between Cordy and Doyle. I understand what Doyle likes in Cordelia, I am charmed too. Too bad Doyle don't tell her the truth about his demon nature, because their relations start with a lie. Plus, Cordy works for Angel, a vampire, i don't think she attaches importance to that. However, she learn to know the men before the monster, maybe it will help her when she will discover the truth. The fight for Cordy's honor was awesome !
It made me laugh too much when a groupie arrives towards Angel (who isn't hurt) completely seduced by his beauty while Doyle also fought, he has been courageous, he is hurt and no one care. Moreover, I liked very much that it has been demonstrated that "a non advantageous" physical can lead to the isolation of a person because this one doesn't attract glances or is on the contrary "repulsive" (we have an exemple with this girl and also with the possessed bartender who was decomposing and people avoid him instead of helping him but reactions are understandable in a way because it is based on fear).


Angel Investigations is the name of the team ? Pretty cool..

I Love all the joke about Angel's sexuality :)
 
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Nightshade said:
Do many clubs over there let under 21s in? I know she wasn't drinking but Cordelia is only 18 afterall, I did enjoy the barfight, was kinda hoping that it would be Cordelia the one to hit him and start it though!
This:
I think if you look like Cordy, you can go pretty much wherever you want to. :D
Either that or she got a phony ID but it's more likely the former.
Recall in Sunnydale, she was the club. ;)
 

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Has anyone else noticed during Angel's first big fight with the demon inhabiting that guy's body that a cameraman is in one of the shots? I couldn't believe it, I had to watch a couple times out of disbelief. It happens toward the end of the fight when the demon guy throws Angel into a corner near the window. The cameraman appears in the lower right hand side of the shot. Check it out for yourselves. Has anyone seen this happen before (in Angel or Buffy)?
 

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The more I see this one the more I think its a generic MOTW. The theme could have been interesting but is very on the nose. Its forgettable and sort of cringe worthy but not in a good way. The highlight is probably the interactions between Kate and Angel. Not the biggest Kate fan, but she makes a solid debut.
 

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That episode reminds me of that Charmed S2 episode with a succubi in it. Both kind of grosses me out.
 

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I have a HUGE soft spot in my heart for this. It's not a masterpiece by any means, but I just get a kick out of its simplicity and seeing the way Angel, Cordy and Doyle work together on their first case (or at least the first 'proper' one that we see). The themes come across very strongly, and whilst Angel is a show that doesn't really work well with the metaphor episodes like Buffy does, they did a decent job here. Kate makes a pretty good first impression, despite some dodgy dialogue in places.

Cordy gets most of the good lines (the 'lazy eye' bit is gold), but Angel gets plenty of opportunities to mix that coolness and awkwardness we love him for. The montage where 'Touched' plays in the background is phenomenal. This episode proves to be a good template for the rest of Season One; a case is set up, and the team goes to deal with it. What it lacks in the character development of later episodes, it makes up for in sheer charm.
 
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I have a soft spot for that episode me too

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This show's starting off with the "monster of the week" theory. It works to get all the pieces in place with characters and themes, but I hope they will move into more complicated plots, as BtVS did.

Angel didn't want Scoobies, but he's ending up with them, anyway. It provides a good contrast with the loneliness theme of this episode. Angel wants to be alone in a way, and yet he still draws people to him.

I know Doyle is a popular character, and I hope I will like him better than I did in these first couple episodes. He seemed okay, but lacked charisma compared to Angel. Also, his problem with Cordelia seemed less to be that he was secretly half-demon and more that he was kinda sleazy. Talking about his porn habit, eww. I'm sure he will grow on me!

As for Cordelia, she seems a little uncertain so far, like they're just not sure where to go with her character. I laughed at the business cards she printed up, with nothing on them except a symbol and a phone number! She's still got her blunt way of doing things, going around the club handing out cards the same way she asked people in "Earshot" if they were planning on killing anyone - "it's for the yearbook." Her age is also going to be a problem if they go to bars a lot!

Angel being socially awkward is just utterly adorable. DB plays that very well, and it's a good character trait to introduce. On BtVS, he always just seemed more quiet than shy, but it completely makes sense that he would not know how to interact with humans very well, and also explains backwards how standoffish he was with Buffy at first.

Angel looked in a phone book for the woman's address. That's about the only thing that made me realize how old this show is, so it's held up well. I worried that the show was developing into a "helpless (blond) woman needs saving", but to my relief they overturned that trope twice, with one being the (unwitting) perpetrator and another an undercover cop.

I wondered if the monster was waiting for someone like Angel to come along, the "body that lasts" that it needed, and yet it didn't seem interested in Angel in that way. I liked the spectacular, fiery deaths of the first two episodes. It's better than Angel's hidden-spike gadgets, which seemed kinda cheesy.

Anyway, I really enjoyed these first two episodes, and look forward to more!
 
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