Discussion of 2.17 "Passion" - Aired 2/24/1998 (WB-US)

I honestly don't know if I can ever like Angel again (my first time watching the show) even knowing that he was not himself

Yea, I remember thinking the same thing. Joss Whedon even made sure he had Angelus in vamp face when he killed her that way we wouldn't associate Angel's face with her murder.

God, this episode...it's so good! But so heartbreaking! I think the scene where Giles finds Jenny might be the most heartbreaking scene in the whole series - at least to me. To find be so excited about their reunion to find her dead in his bed? I think this was a big turning point in the show: it showed you how real it could get and that Angel wasn't a little bad or he wouldn't actually do anything; he truly had no remorse anymore.
 
Valjavertjinn
Valjavertjinn
I think that it was the most heartbreaking,too!
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Yes, very heartbreaking. I think it ties with Joyce's death for me.
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I'm actually starting to emphasize with Spike.
I feel so bad for him, He's used to being the dominate figure, and then he gets injured, AND THEN Angelus comes along. Angelus is really ineffective, what is he accomplishing by trying to torment Buffy? If I was him, I'd just kill her already. He's like a creepy, desperate stalker. -__-

I feel so bad for Giles in this episode, though I have to wonder... why didn't they preform the ritual that un-invites the vampires?
 
I think that Giles gave the book to Buffy as soon as he figured it out, since Buffy was his main target. Or at least, that's what Giles thought. I assumed that Giles was at the library when he figured it out, or else he would have done his house.
 
*whew* well after reading this whole thread, a lot of great things were said about this outstanding episode. Passion is my top favorite episode of the series, and it's within my favorite season of the series as well. Jenny is one of my favorite characters from the show. Angelus is the best villain. His narrative gave me the chills. The episode really showcases how evil Angelus actually is, and also his obsession with Buffy even when he has no soul. The part that makes him the best villain is that it's all so personal. He's not interested in just causing random havoc, he's been there, done that. I love how he speaks of passion and just creates it amongst all our heros as he feels nothing. "Without passion, we'd be truly dead."

The scenes with Giles finding Jenny at his house, and Buffy and Willow getting the call as well as the end with Buffy and Giles are my favorites from this episode. It all just hit me so strong and just left a "wow, how good is this show?!" impression. It's gut wrenchingly painful to see Giles and Buffy going through these events. I was sad to see Jenny go, I think she and Giles would have made a great couple and put even more depth into Giles' character. A very memorable episode. Always brings me back to the first time I watched it and that intense emotion I felt through the characters of the show. Great acting by everyone obviously.

Wow talking about this just makes me want to go watch it again and bask in the awesomeness of it all.
 
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Valjavertjinn
Valjavertjinn
Exactly what I think!
I love this episode, it's so darn emotional!! You can't help feeling everyone's emotions at the same time! It's so sad but brilliantly done! 🙂
 
TheAnnointedOne
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Agree so much!! It's fantastic!!!!!
I think Buffy's reaction to Jonathan walking into the library and asking about books is hillarious! That's the only light heartedness in this episode, other than Xander's ''Watcher's Pet'' comment. The music in this episode is fantastic. I love the voice overs.

I'm always amazed at how evil Angelus is. The fact that he was in Buffy's room and didnt do anything, it must have been awful for Buffy to cope with that, knowing he could have killed her at any moment but he was just just tormenting her. Also the fact that he kills Jenny by snapping her neck rather than drinking her blood.

It was a very emotional episode.
 
I watched this episode last night for the first time since it was shown on BBC2 in the late 90s and I have to admit that I cried 🙁
 
I re-watched this episode tonight, and while I'm sure it's been said before, it's just awesome. It might be the best episode of S2.

I think it IS the best Angelus episode. I love him a few episodes down the road in "I only have eyes for you" and "Becoming", but I don't think any season big bad rocks an episode like Angelus does in this one. Think about it. In all the seasons to come, in Buffy or Angel, does a big bad ever up the stakes and just take over like Angelus does here?

It's just such a well put-together episode. Everything flows. Jenny finding the cure to restore Angel's soul, only to have Angelus show up (in a truly spooky scene. And seriously, you know how many times now Dru's visions have screwed over The Scoobies?) was heart-breaking, and of course, her death is so powerful. The ending, with the falling disc, was just awesome. And the narration from David Boreanaz makes this episode too. It's almost like he haunts it, in a way.

All the Angelus/Spike moments are gold too. I just love how much Spike hates him, and him not helping when Giles goes Rambo was hilarious.

There was also some great Bangel/Bangelus moments. Did anyone else notice Angelus wearing the claddagh ring with the heart facing in throughout the entire episode?
 
This episode was so shocking, quite profound, It changed the entire show. Before this the show was light-hearted and fun, after it was kind of hard to get back there, especially as Giles is one of my favorite characters.

I don't think the wound he suffered ever really healed, I even wrote a story that tries to correct the pain he went through. It's on ff.net and it's called "Only Two" I was wondering, if Giles had stayed with Jenny in her classroom, does anybody think he would've made a difference against Angelus?
 
I haven't had time to read every answer so it might be repetitive.
This is an amazing episode, the one that changed everything for me.
I remember the first time I saw it. The second I heard Jenny's neck snap, I felt it in my bones, I chivered. I was 14 or 15 and so impressed. Buffy became, and still is my favourite show.
I love how the tension is built. And there are still humour and good sentences (great Cordelia moments).
I don't really like Angel, I personally think David Boreanaz makes an amazing Angelus while Angel is a little bit fade. I was so impressed with his work in this episode. He's dark and scary and fascinating.
Passion is a turning point for me, I was scared for my heroes and felt it in my guts. Loved the feeling. This is a "wow episode"!
 
Top three ever Buffy episode and one of the most powerful, sad and beatiful writer pieces of television maybe ever.

The different strands of the story are finely balanced, the performances are full of passion, Angel is at his most menacing. There are great twists and highs and lows. And the impact of losing Jenny at a point where her and Giles were about to make up was just so tragic. The tone of the full out to this is perfectly handled.

Another thing which makes this episode all the more powerful is its contrast with the more comedic tone of the previous episode. It is such a classic Buffy trait to place two completely different shows one after the other and it works a treat.
 
I'm re-watching Season Two at the moment and I've come to the conclusion that 'Passion' is probably my favourite ever episode of the show. There is so much complexity to the episode and I get more and more from it with every viewing.
I think the pre-credit sequence is the finest the show ever produced. It packs in an enormous amount in a couple of minutes. I love the opening shot of the heads of the dancers, then moving down in a sweeping arc to reveal Angel watching as Buffy and Xander dance. Straightaway you can feel the power of his gaze and I feel an unnerving sensation as soon as he appears, that feeling of being watched. This feeling is heightened as soon as Angel speaks. Again, as only the viewer can hear his voice we get to hear the words of rage, and Buffy and the other characters are unaware of it, which is kind of chilling. I love that the voiceover is given to the antagonist in this episode, it's really unconventional and again, adds to the fear factor.
The scene outside the Bronze is great too, when Angel kills the girl in the alley. I think the music is great throughout, and here, where the bass thumps like a heartbeat in amongst the strings, is just awesome. The killing takes place with Buffy and co receding into the distance, so the viewer again is all-knowing, in the darkness with Angelus.
The light and shadow in the next scene as Buffy sleeps is brilliantly done. I believe the director of the episode Michael Gershman was a DOP on the show and he clearly knows what he's doing. When Angel's head appears in the window I still take a gasp, even though I know it's coming. The way his head just flickers and then appears out of the shadows I still find shocking. This play of light and shadow goes on throughout. A bit further on when Angel strokes Buffy's face as she sleeps, his face in darkness with light from the windows surrounding them, the music building up, is so powerful and ominous. Just superb.
Actually, thinking about it, the symbolism of the window is there too. Buffy and Angel's first kiss was by that window, he first revealed himself as a vampire there, indeed they conducted their relationship through it in 'Bad Eggs.' I guess there is a sexual element to it, the idea of threshold, but also death, of moving through to another dimension. I'd suggest it's no accident that Jenny's death takes place in front of a window, and this really is where the show crossed the threshold in a way, killing off a major character for the first time in a manner that hadn't really been seen in TV before.
Of course the recurring image through a window is when Buffy and Willow hear of Jenny's death, and the voiceover talking of the 'esctasy of grief'. Seeing their grief through the window makes it somehow more real to me, at once distant and powerful.
There's loads of other bits of light and dark which I love - Angel's savage face in the fire of the smashed computer, the lovely shot of Giles against the wall of his house as he talks to the police, the threshold of his house violated (there it is again!), his shadow enormous on the wall, Jenny's face lit by the orb of Thessala in the magic shop, then the orb glowing again as Angel holds it, his face a contrast of light and dark. I think its a beautiful episode visually, and there are so many little details to pick up with every watch.
I think the ending is clever too, with the voiceover now Buffy's, suggesting she is regaining strength, although her words lack the spark of her usual language. Then the disk falls down between the desks, finally a slice of light in the darkness, althugh we know that restoring Angel's soul has just become that much harder. I love that Joss puts the viewer through the wringer in this episode, it's challenging and relentless. The road to Angel's salvation will be a long and tough one.
As you can tell I've watched this episode a few times! When something works I always ask myself why. I think that the way things are lit, shot and scored are done for a specific reason and it's always fun trying to work out what! I feel 'Passion' represents the show at its best, it's toughest, it's most complex and most beautiful. A stunner.
 
This is such an amazing episode.

I love the scene when Joyce and Buffy are talking about Buffy sleeping with Angel. I also thought that the scene before when Giles shows up is really sweet, were he asks Willow if he should talk to Joyce to help Buffy.

I think it's debatable the Jenny's people were the ones who Angelis hurt the most. I think Dru was hurt pretty bad but to be fair she's a vampire now, so she's passed caring.

I think it's also really powerful that Angel never drank from Jenny, he killed her by just snapping her neck.

For me this episode is so powerful.
 
Alright. This episode is brilliant. I love Angel's voice overs. I love the menace established almost immediately with him watching her at The Bronze. And his killing that woman in the alley as they all walk by, totally unaware. It foreshadows that there is a darkness here they they haven't yet experienced.

Giles breaks my heart in this episode. The anticipation and joy he feels when he finds that rose, and then the wine and glasses. It isn't often that we see that side of Giles. I don't know. Do we ever see that from him again?

And then his incredible rage with the flaming baseball bat. I can't help but admire a character that is usually so buttoned up and reserved but has that darkness just waiting under the surface. And then Buffy and Giles in that alley. That's a thing that's never going to not hurt me. No matter how many times I see it.


Ok. Now. There's this thing that I notice, every time I watch this episode. And it's silly and ridiculous but I think because it's such a high tension episode, I get an insane urge to giggle, every single time. And it is this moment, here.

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Here's Spike and all of his rage, right? Look at that hate face. But see, while he has this hate face, he's also gently petting that puppy. And I just giggle helplessly. There is no choice in the matter.

. . .
 
Mr Trick
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Great description. Its a classic.
This is an unpopular opinion, and bear in mind that I used to love Passion, but the more I watch this episode, the less I like it. For me there's a lot that just doesn't work.

What does work are the Angelus scenes. Angelus has been, up until this point, massively used just as comic relief, alongside Spike and Dru. His importance relies on the fact that he's the absence of Angel, Bangel and the source of Buffy's pain. However, Angelus himself, other than in Innocence, has been useless for the plot. In Passion he becomes an actual threat. The way he stalks Buffy, watches her sleep and talks to her mother, scream sick, unstable ex-boyfriend and kind of ground this storyline to reality. Then there's the fact that he goes after Willow, for the first time since Innocence, which is a nice reminder that he's still a threat to everyone. The scene with Jenny was very well done also, although the bad one liner was a bit too much, and the followup to that scene was even better, excellent. The scenes with Spike and Dru were, likewise, great. And that's all I like.

Like I said, I have a lot of issues with this episode. Giles and the Scoobies are absurdly passive. By now they should have made a plan to take down or, at the very least, deal with Angelus, Spike and Dru. When Buffy tells Giles that Angel was in her bedroom (and Cordelia points out how easily he could have killed her), Giles's reaction - ignore him until he goes away - is incredibly irresponsible, not to mention, unbelievable, coming from a man who always insists on taking every demon threat seriously. Giles did come up with a way to keep Angelus out, but that's not enough. Were they waiting for Angelus to kill them all? The Big Bad was walking around killing people, so maybe a plan was in order. What's even more unbelievable is that after this episode nothing changes. I get that Buffy isn't ready, but no one was preparing her either.

I don't like Giles in this episode at all. He was dismissive of Buffy's fear and pain, telling her to chill, that she was the slayer, blah blah, so I actually felt vindicated when Jenny died and Giles experienced what Buffy was feeling - how he became a "slave to his passions". Served him right. Also, Giles hitting Angelus that many times only makes sense if he were allowing it and Buffy kicking Angelus' ass so thoroughly and not staking him in order to "save Giles" - even though it would only take a second to end it - just makes the episode more incoherent.

I understand this episode brought the season to a new height and it's the first time a major character dies. However, it's surprising how little I enjoy this episode now.
 
Something I realised that is quite humorous about this episode is the set up Angelus would've had to go through to leave the "gift" for Willow.

Firstly, unless Spike and Dru randomly had some brown envelopes lying around, Angelus would have had to go out to a shop and purchase some (or steal some). He would've also had to buy some string (or whatever he had the fish threaded on) plus a needle to poke through the fish (again unless Spike and Dru had some randomly lying around).

Secondly, he would then have to climb into Willow's room and count the fish so he knew how long a thread he needed. He would then have to thread the needle to poke through the fish. Depending on the size of the needle, this would either be relatively simple or require a lot of concentration., plus if he dropped it, he'd also then have to search for it.

Thirdly, he would then have to take off the lid of the fish tank, take off his coat, and roll up his shirt sleeve so he could stick his arm in the fish tank to try and catch the fish which are swimming all over the place trying to not be captured. He then has to make sure he got all the fish, probably having to stick his other arm in the fish tank to move the fishy furniture to double check no fish are hiding. Once he knows he's got all the fish, he then has to put the lid back on the fish tank.

Fourthly, he needs to dry the fish so they don't make the envelop soggy. He then has to thread them all and put them in the envelope and leave the envelope somewhere where it won't get squished accidentally.

Lastly, he can't tell Spike and Dru his process for leaving Willow her "gift" because he knows they would probably laugh their heads off.
 
Carrie Hopewell
Carrie Hopewell
Wow! Angelus is very devoted to his craft (evil) so... I assume getting the heart from the "quaint little shop girl" was also very messy.
wickedtiger86
wickedtiger86
Haha. Oh, Angelus. *shakes head*
I like how Angelus is narrating the beginning.

Angelus, don't you dare do anything to Buffy...

Buffy's OK, but what Angelus did was still creepy...

Jonathan looks weird in high rise jeans.

Jenny, I don't think that all the kids had computers at home, so making them hand the work on disk is a bit inconvenient.

Jenny has a book that Giles hasn't read ? A bit of a surprise.

Angelus has been following Willow too ? super creepy...

Dru, the dog is cute but don't rub it in Spike's face...

The owner of the shop has cyberphobia, can't imagine someone having that in 2016...

Cordy, do you hate your grandmother so much that you want her dead ?

Angelus, listen to Joyce, or else...

Giles, that tie with the circles doesn't look good on you.

Jenny's final moments, and they are anything but peaceful 🙁

Joyce is grieving, it's normal.

Giles is smelling the roses, completely unaware of what has happened...

...and he finds out 🙁

Angelus narrating again 🙂

He drew Jenny's dead body, he is sick.

Giles trying to be badass, and he fails.

But at least Buffy's taking care of things 🙂

Giles deserves that punch.

Giles and Buffy are standing by Jenny's grave 🙁

Willow's taking over computers class and Buffy narrates the ending, good ending.

Next time:Buffy is in the hospital.
 
The scene where Giles discovers Jenny is the most gut-wrenching and difficult to watch scenes in the show or in all of TV in general. I struggle less with The Body. That scene is a haunting masterpiece and it kills me everytime I see it.

Everything has been said about this episode already. Such an amazing and horrible episode.

Joss Whedon, you are a terrible person.
 
The scene where Giles discovers Jenny is the most gut-wrenching and difficult to watch scenes in the show or in all of TV in general.

I disagree. I think the AR scene is harder to watch.
 
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