Lorne The Host
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Discussion of 8.01 "The Long Way Home Part 1" - Released 3/14/07 (Dark Horse)
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CharmedSlayer85
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Yeah Warren wasn't killed by mystical energy like Buffy was, besides his body was completely burned and destroyed Amy would have to have some SERIOUS mojo to bring him back. Which I'm still wondering how she got the power to survive the Hellmouth, I thought Amy wasn't that powerful
Lorne The Host
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He better be Skip.
That'd make this a good season.
That'd make this a good season.
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skip is entertaining, although I think whoever he is he would have been trapped down there when the hellmouth collapsed
LawgSkrak
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I bet Joss' first arc will be bundled together into a trade paperback. That's a fairly large chunk to get started...
jesterjay
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Well my freaking comic shack upped the price to 9bucks - and to get the Variant you had to buy 10 copies of the 9 dollar one just to get a copy of the variant - sheesh - i stuck with the one copy.
Now that that's said and done - What the hell happened with Dawn? Can someone fill me in...do you get super big when having sex with a thricewise?
Totally saw Amy coming in the end (and not because we've run the spoilers) it was all about the Cheeze line 🙂 Lots of Cheeze hahahahha...that's going to be one epic battle...but the question I ask is where is Willow?
Now that that's said and done - What the hell happened with Dawn? Can someone fill me in...do you get super big when having sex with a thricewise?
Totally saw Amy coming in the end (and not because we've run the spoilers) it was all about the Cheeze line 🙂 Lots of Cheeze hahahahha...that's going to be one epic battle...but the question I ask is where is Willow?
jesterjay
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Well American I suppose that would be like 7 dollars-ish?
And I have no idea what it would cost anywhere else in the world
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New Cover of #4 on Darkhorse - you guys probably saw this but if not - check it out at
http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/14/14114.jpg
And I have no idea what it would cost anywhere else in the world
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New Cover of #4 on Darkhorse - you guys probably saw this but if not - check it out at
http://images.darkhorse.com/covers/14/14114.jpg
Yeah my boyfriend is still looking for somewhere to get it in Oklahoma that doesn't want $15. I've already worn the spine on my first issue 😛 I'm really not used to looking after comics.
I also had a thought about the floaty feet.. it might have been someone clinging onto something like a helicopter, but I suppose it would be more exciting if they were actually hovering.
I also had a thought about the floaty feet.. it might have been someone clinging onto something like a helicopter, but I suppose it would be more exciting if they were actually hovering.
jesterjay
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This was my first forray into comic-book reading. Somehow in asking DH a simple question I managed to learn the entire Superman-world thingy background and how a comic gets 'graded' as fine, very fine, near mint, etc. *SIGH*
I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed this. How much I went "ooooh" and "aaah" and "OMIGOD" - that being said....I want more! And I am left with SO many questions! Everyone else has already pretty much said what I feel about character dymanic, the overall feel, and the artists. Great work Joss and Co. as always!
I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed this. How much I went "ooooh" and "aaah" and "OMIGOD" - that being said....I want more! And I am left with SO many questions! Everyone else has already pretty much said what I feel about character dymanic, the overall feel, and the artists. Great work Joss and Co. as always!
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I finally got it too. There's an advantage to getting it late like this. We only have to wait a week for the next issue. I put this next one on reserve, so they'll hold a copy for me. I didn't get ripped off as bad as Jester Jay did. I only paid 4 bucks Canadian.
On the feet - I'm going to guess Willow. (although I'm crossing my fingers for Ethan Rayne)
On the boyfriend - I'm going to jump on board with whoever said Adam. I remember when Season 8 was first announced they were hinting at a villain from the past making an appearance. I forget which season he or she was coming from, but it was before 6, and I got the feeling it was something bigger than Amy.
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Loved that issue four cover someone linked to earlier.
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I'm wondering...Why has nobody guessed Jonathan as a possible boyfriend. Intelligent zombies are possible in the Buffyverse, and Amy might have actually known Jonathan.
On the feet - I'm going to guess Willow. (although I'm crossing my fingers for Ethan Rayne)
On the boyfriend - I'm going to jump on board with whoever said Adam. I remember when Season 8 was first announced they were hinting at a villain from the past making an appearance. I forget which season he or she was coming from, but it was before 6, and I got the feeling it was something bigger than Amy.
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Loved that issue four cover someone linked to earlier.
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I'm wondering...Why has nobody guessed Jonathan as a possible boyfriend. Intelligent zombies are possible in the Buffyverse, and Amy might have actually known Jonathan.
lol, has anyone guessed Clem? i know he left in a VW Bug, but maybe he didn't go very far and the energy of the hellmouth turned him or something?
lol, ok, it's very late here, and i'm off to bed. please ignore my ramble!!:lmao:
lol, ok, it's very late here, and i'm off to bed. please ignore my ramble!!:lmao:
VisionGuy
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VisionGuy
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That's a possibilty. I was thinking it could possibly be Adam or Ethan Rayne too but mostly Adam since he was bigger in the weapons department. And also he is kind of grotesque looking. Maybe the big crater Spike created opened up the cement that was used to seal up The Initiative and Amy found Adam while rummaging through the mess that is Sunnydale and revived him. It would make sense to bring Adam back in the picture considering this season has some stuff to do with The Government. What gets me though is why didn't Amy leave Sunnydale with the everyone else?
On the feet thing, call me crazy but I thought maybe it was Spike. I mean you can kind of see the duster or cape and the black boots. Or maybe it was Andrew wearing some weird "watcher" apparel. Then again, it could be Ethan Rayne.
On the feet thing, call me crazy but I thought maybe it was Spike. I mean you can kind of see the duster or cape and the black boots. Or maybe it was Andrew wearing some weird "watcher" apparel. Then again, it could be Ethan Rayne.
Randy Giles
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Some musings on Episode 8.01--Spoilers Ahoy
Hi, new board member. I've been a fan of BtVS and AtS since the first season way back when the Canadian network YTV was airing the show. I adored the show--particularly the first three seasons--but never got into the fandom side to it much. Since going on a Twisting the Hellmouth archive binge and reading the first Season Eight issue, I decided to take the plunge into the Slayerette Community.
First reactions to Season Eight after finding a second printing copy: only reason I wasn't dancing in my boxers squeeing like a shoujo anime heroine after a Hello Kitty overdose is that kind of thing isn't recommended in public restaurants.
More thoughts:
* Clearly, as a certain vamp once exclaimed, "she got funding!". A lot of the post-Chosen fanfic I've read has the Slayers operating at the same level as the old Council did. More democratic and flexible, but still combatting evil in the traditional matter of stakes/swords/big frickin' troll hammers. It was part of the charm of the show in that the titular superheroine fought evil with fairly limited resources as regards to force.
Does the recasting of the Slayers as Section One with cuter fashion sense work? Of two minds of this. Part of me prefers the "smaller scale" style of the TV series. The other part of me took one look at the hawt chixxors in skintight body armour and whacking huge harpoon guns...and decided to embrace the new. Go Go Team Buffy, is what I say. Season Eight can't remain static when it comes to the dramatic limitations of the previous seasons. They ain't just busting chops in Sunnyhell anymore. It's logical that once the hidebound Watchers Council was eliminated that the Slayers would try a new approach.
Plus, again, hawt chixxors in kevlar fast-roping from a helicopter into a demon nest is teh awesome. Just sayin'
* That said, Joss does an excellent job of fitting the old tone of the series--"I just want to have a normal life in all this whackiness"--with the epic setting. The characters themselves come off as more mature versions of their Sunnydale selves, with the same longings for a mundane existence. However, they've deliberately suppressed those longings to step up to the plate to deal with the huge changes they're responsible for. Xander's incredibly cool line--"When duty calls, you don't get to screen"--establishes the theme for this season. Buffy's plaintive thought "I miss my mom" atop the castle tower made me damn near cry.
* Speaking of Xander--may I say, I totally love his transformation from Zeppo and "Fixing Broken Windows Guy" to a wisecracking geek Sgt. Fury. It was a shock for a moment...but completely fits with the skills he showed as a leader during "Graduation" and taking care of the Potentials in Season 7. "Mr. Harris" is a good example of how Joss is evolving the Buffyverse--kicked up to 11, but with the core of the character remaining the same.
Xander/Buffy shippers should note the new closeness between B. and Xander. Buffy and Xander were always close friends in the series. However, except for certain moments, they never interacted quite as closely as they do in "Long Way Home". What we see here is a major shift in the X/B relationship from friend to something more central. Buffy considers him her Watcher even if he doesn't want the title. When Giles was her Watcher, he was her surrogate father figure. Xander's new relationship seems to have shifted from "loyal true friend" to a brother-in-arms or equal partner. You sense Buffy accepting his authority and guidance in a way she never did during the series. I don't think they're romantically involved in that Xander hasn't been providing the Great Muppety Odin Sex. But he's clearly her remaining close friend. Giles and Willow seem to have drifted away due to obligations and distance.
* As a mild aside, I nominate "Great Muppety Odin" as the new BtVS catch-phrase.
* I wasn't as enamoured with the "FedGov sees Buffy as Osama" plotline. You'd think that with Riley's demon-busting unit that they'd see Buffy's Army of Slayers as a big asset when it comes to taking down evil. But after some reflection, the .gov's response to the Slayers makes sense. One, they didn't know the details of how Sunnydale got destroyed. All they knew is that Buffy Summers--a person considered an "anarchist" and general loose cannon--somehow got an *entire town swallowed up by the earth*. Of course the government would freak out. The fact that the Army of Slayers (AoS for short) is an independent, underground army that doesn't accept any outside control is further cause for the wiggins. Even if the .gov and the AoS had the same whack-the-evol goals, no nation-state likes that much power in the hands of non-state actors.
The line that the AoS pursues goals "that don't jibe with American interests" indicates factions within the American .gov are not entirely...innocent when it comes to the supernatural and demons. The Initiative may have been canceled. But the .gov's desire for control and exploitation--and perhaps making realpolitik deals with demonic forces--has not gone away.
* About the Army of Slayers: anyone notice how female-oriented it is? All the personnel save Xander and off-screen Giles are women. Either the HQ staff are deliberately chosen from women sympathisers who support the AoS's supernatural butt-kicking goals, or the Command Central staff are Slayers themselves whose intellectual talents make them more useful as support rather than as field agents.
What's interesting is the dramatic contrast between the female-run AoS and the male-staffed army group dedicated to bringing Buffy down. It's change from the Slayer being directed and manipulated by the patriarchal Watchers. I suspect that the Watchers as a formal entity are finished. While the *role* of a Watcher may exist--Buffy certainly accepts the idea, if Xander doesn't--the authority the Watchers assumed may be gone. At best a Watcher would be more a speciality as a research/reference expert than the mentor he or she was when the WC existed.
* Another neat background detail is that not all of the 1800 or so Slayers have joined Buffy. A fair few of them may have accepted the choice to not use their powers. The choice Buffy always wanted for herself. But I think we may be seeing factions form in the new Slayer community. Some Slayers may prefer to act as territorial watchdogs like Buffy did in Sunnydale. Lots of reasons they might do so: strong loyalties to a given community, suspicion of outsiders (like Gunn's vamp-fighting gang), or possible loyalties to local demon hunting groups.
In fact, the latter may be a complication for the AoS as other demon hunting organizations clue to the *ahem* potential in having their own slayers now that the Watcher's Council isn't around to monopolize them. I imagine the Vatican has on tap a fair number of Slayers whose Catholic faith lead them to listen to their religious leaders rather than Buffy's group. Other shadow agencies may have either indoctrinated or convinced Slayers in their own countries to follow their command. I bet the Russian intelligence community or the Mossad would have full-body orgasms at the prospect of a super-strong and fast healing female killing machine on staff for "special jobs" both mundane and supernatural.
Hi, new board member. I've been a fan of BtVS and AtS since the first season way back when the Canadian network YTV was airing the show. I adored the show--particularly the first three seasons--but never got into the fandom side to it much. Since going on a Twisting the Hellmouth archive binge and reading the first Season Eight issue, I decided to take the plunge into the Slayerette Community.
First reactions to Season Eight after finding a second printing copy: only reason I wasn't dancing in my boxers squeeing like a shoujo anime heroine after a Hello Kitty overdose is that kind of thing isn't recommended in public restaurants.
More thoughts:
* Clearly, as a certain vamp once exclaimed, "she got funding!". A lot of the post-Chosen fanfic I've read has the Slayers operating at the same level as the old Council did. More democratic and flexible, but still combatting evil in the traditional matter of stakes/swords/big frickin' troll hammers. It was part of the charm of the show in that the titular superheroine fought evil with fairly limited resources as regards to force.
Does the recasting of the Slayers as Section One with cuter fashion sense work? Of two minds of this. Part of me prefers the "smaller scale" style of the TV series. The other part of me took one look at the hawt chixxors in skintight body armour and whacking huge harpoon guns...and decided to embrace the new. Go Go Team Buffy, is what I say. Season Eight can't remain static when it comes to the dramatic limitations of the previous seasons. They ain't just busting chops in Sunnyhell anymore. It's logical that once the hidebound Watchers Council was eliminated that the Slayers would try a new approach.
Plus, again, hawt chixxors in kevlar fast-roping from a helicopter into a demon nest is teh awesome. Just sayin'
* That said, Joss does an excellent job of fitting the old tone of the series--"I just want to have a normal life in all this whackiness"--with the epic setting. The characters themselves come off as more mature versions of their Sunnydale selves, with the same longings for a mundane existence. However, they've deliberately suppressed those longings to step up to the plate to deal with the huge changes they're responsible for. Xander's incredibly cool line--"When duty calls, you don't get to screen"--establishes the theme for this season. Buffy's plaintive thought "I miss my mom" atop the castle tower made me damn near cry.
* Speaking of Xander--may I say, I totally love his transformation from Zeppo and "Fixing Broken Windows Guy" to a wisecracking geek Sgt. Fury. It was a shock for a moment...but completely fits with the skills he showed as a leader during "Graduation" and taking care of the Potentials in Season 7. "Mr. Harris" is a good example of how Joss is evolving the Buffyverse--kicked up to 11, but with the core of the character remaining the same.
Xander/Buffy shippers should note the new closeness between B. and Xander. Buffy and Xander were always close friends in the series. However, except for certain moments, they never interacted quite as closely as they do in "Long Way Home". What we see here is a major shift in the X/B relationship from friend to something more central. Buffy considers him her Watcher even if he doesn't want the title. When Giles was her Watcher, he was her surrogate father figure. Xander's new relationship seems to have shifted from "loyal true friend" to a brother-in-arms or equal partner. You sense Buffy accepting his authority and guidance in a way she never did during the series. I don't think they're romantically involved in that Xander hasn't been providing the Great Muppety Odin Sex. But he's clearly her remaining close friend. Giles and Willow seem to have drifted away due to obligations and distance.
* As a mild aside, I nominate "Great Muppety Odin" as the new BtVS catch-phrase.
* I wasn't as enamoured with the "FedGov sees Buffy as Osama" plotline. You'd think that with Riley's demon-busting unit that they'd see Buffy's Army of Slayers as a big asset when it comes to taking down evil. But after some reflection, the .gov's response to the Slayers makes sense. One, they didn't know the details of how Sunnydale got destroyed. All they knew is that Buffy Summers--a person considered an "anarchist" and general loose cannon--somehow got an *entire town swallowed up by the earth*. Of course the government would freak out. The fact that the Army of Slayers (AoS for short) is an independent, underground army that doesn't accept any outside control is further cause for the wiggins. Even if the .gov and the AoS had the same whack-the-evol goals, no nation-state likes that much power in the hands of non-state actors.
The line that the AoS pursues goals "that don't jibe with American interests" indicates factions within the American .gov are not entirely...innocent when it comes to the supernatural and demons. The Initiative may have been canceled. But the .gov's desire for control and exploitation--and perhaps making realpolitik deals with demonic forces--has not gone away.
* About the Army of Slayers: anyone notice how female-oriented it is? All the personnel save Xander and off-screen Giles are women. Either the HQ staff are deliberately chosen from women sympathisers who support the AoS's supernatural butt-kicking goals, or the Command Central staff are Slayers themselves whose intellectual talents make them more useful as support rather than as field agents.
What's interesting is the dramatic contrast between the female-run AoS and the male-staffed army group dedicated to bringing Buffy down. It's change from the Slayer being directed and manipulated by the patriarchal Watchers. I suspect that the Watchers as a formal entity are finished. While the *role* of a Watcher may exist--Buffy certainly accepts the idea, if Xander doesn't--the authority the Watchers assumed may be gone. At best a Watcher would be more a speciality as a research/reference expert than the mentor he or she was when the WC existed.
* Another neat background detail is that not all of the 1800 or so Slayers have joined Buffy. A fair few of them may have accepted the choice to not use their powers. The choice Buffy always wanted for herself. But I think we may be seeing factions form in the new Slayer community. Some Slayers may prefer to act as territorial watchdogs like Buffy did in Sunnydale. Lots of reasons they might do so: strong loyalties to a given community, suspicion of outsiders (like Gunn's vamp-fighting gang), or possible loyalties to local demon hunting groups.
In fact, the latter may be a complication for the AoS as other demon hunting organizations clue to the *ahem* potential in having their own slayers now that the Watcher's Council isn't around to monopolize them. I imagine the Vatican has on tap a fair number of Slayers whose Catholic faith lead them to listen to their religious leaders rather than Buffy's group. Other shadow agencies may have either indoctrinated or convinced Slayers in their own countries to follow their command. I bet the Russian intelligence community or the Mossad would have full-body orgasms at the prospect of a super-strong and fast healing female killing machine on staff for "special jobs" both mundane and supernatural.
