Discussion of 8.09 "No Future For You Pt 4" - Released 12/05/07 (Dark Horse)

[Tranquillity]

Lieutenant Molter says there's an "Inside man" at castle Summers, so who's the traitor, I wonder?

Hope it's not Renee. I like her. It would fit though. Xander's problem with women, and all.

WOW! i have read this issue a dozen times and had just sort of glossed over that important piece of information! i suppose i'd just sort of dismissed it as some sort of detatched informant or spy but a traitor on the inside is so much more interesting. I hope it's not Renee that would be horrible for Xander. Satsu is an interesting option though - she does seem to be prominent in future issues if the covers are anything to go by (not that they always are...)

 

[Allycat]

I doubt that it's any of the Scoobies so that rules out Xander, Giles, Buffy, Faith, Dawn, and Willow. Of course, Twilight has worked with mystical allies before, but it does seem unlikely to me that he has another Slayer working for him. My bet is on Andrew being the inside man. Perhaps he's doing it unknowingly. It would make sense if the Immortal was somehow involved.

 

[tommy]

I glossed over the line too. A spy on the inside would be interesting but she didn't actually say inside the castle living among the goody-goody slayers. We'll see.

I figured it was just a throwaway line to move the dialog along with them knowing Buffy isn't dead, like how Wolfram and Hart always seemed to know everything that happened everywhere instantaneously. "Our sources tell us Angel survived the attack", blah blah.

 

[nerd4hire]

What the heck. Might as well have a close up look at it.

Hey, Lieutenant Molter, has a mole. That's kind of Austin Powers.

 

[Allycat]

Quick question: is Lt Molter supposed to be African-American?

 

[alexa]

Finally got this today 😀 Got the cool variant cover, Jo one coming soon.
Wasn't actually that impressed.. prolly my least favourite issue from the Faith arc. It was good, but I suppose I was just really bothered by the split between Buffy and Giles.. and even Buffy and Faith. I was hoping there would be a reconciliation of some kind, but we're just back to where we were and now Giles is distancing himself from Buffy. I can sort of understand why.. if he thinks the darker sides of the job need to be done, and would rather not have Buffy killing humans? Or he's just hiding his own dark self from her. Maybe something happened between now and Chosen... either way I don't like being annoyed at Giles.

Twilight looks interesting, the storyline resembles season 4s a little. The whole magic vs military kinda thing. Still don't quite understand his motives.. he doesn't look too normal himself.

Guess I should read it a few more times, might start to like it more.

Oh, and I hope the mole is Renee! Free up for some Bander action 😉

And I forgot to mention that I liked how Faith was projecting on Gigi during their fight. Like when she says 'because you know you haven't done anything to deserve it' - being treated as a friend. Sounds like Faith is talking about herself and her experiences with the Mayor 'maybe he does - maybe he don't' - really care about her.

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Twilight looks interesting, the storyline resembles season 4s a little. The whole magic vs military kinda thing. Still don't quite understand his motives.. he doesn't look too normal himself.

I'm not sure where this is headed, either, but you can see a lot of the same thing in Real Life: Twilight seems to be against magic-users, but at the same time has no apparent qualms about using it him(her?)self; not a lot of difference there from real-world people who fight tooth and nail to disarm the public, claiming that only the police and military should be "allowed" to have weapons, but who think it's okay for them to own guns themselves, or hire someone else to carry for them.

 

[Kean]

I'm not sure where this is headed, either, but you can see a lot of the same thing in Real Life: Twilight seems to be against magic-users, but at the same time has no apparent qualms about using it him(her?)self; not a lot of difference there from real-world people who fight tooth and nail to disarm the public, claiming that only the police and military should be "allowed" to have weapons, but who think it's okay for them to own guns themselves, or hire someone else to carry for them.

I haven't got the issue yet so I don't know if this was explained in the latest issue but was Roden aware of Twilights plans to bring magic to it's knees? Just wondering cuz Roden was a warlock, he seemed pretty powerful too. Supporting an entity that essentially wants to ruin your existence seems a bit mad, although I suppose it wouldn't be the first time on Buffy.

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

I haven't got the issue yet so I don't know if this was explained in the latest issue but was Roden aware of Twilights plans to bring magic to it's knees?

Apparently, since he mentions being promised "clemency from the coming purge".

Just wondering cuz Roden was a warlock, he seemed pretty powerful too. Supporting an entity that essentially wants to ruin your existence seems a bit mad, although I suppose it wouldn't be the first time on Buffy.

Or in the Real World, for that matter; lots of people seem to have a blind spot that doesn't allow them to recognize that once the current personae non grata are eliminated, they might be the next group who aren't "the right sort."

 

[Kean]

Apparently, since he mentions being promised "clemency from the coming purge".



Or in the Real World, for that matter; lots of people seem to have a blind spot that doesn't allow them to recognize that once the current personae non grata are eliminated, they might be the next group who aren't "the right sort."

Their really going for the Nazi/Stalin theme aren't they? It was touched on in ANGEL, it will be interesting to see how it progresses

 

[nerd4hire]

I think Joss is Hollywood Liberal, anti-militarism bent. It's bound to creep into his work. That's OK. He's only going to lose me if he starts doing Global Warming crap.

 

[Kean]

I'm still intrigued but I just wonder what he will have to say about it that hasn't already been said and how will he make Twilight 3 dimensional? Playing this theme really runs the risk of him only being able to say that Twilight=very bad. Buffy villians nearly always have a depth that can be appreciated on some level. How do you get people to appreciate the Hitler type villian?

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Their really going for the Nazi/Stalin theme aren't they? It was touched on in ANGEL, it will be interesting to see how it progresses

I don't know about that, necessarily; there have been lots of purges throughout history (the term is most often used in conjunction with the witch purges in Europe.)

 

[Kean]

I don't know about that, necessarily; there have been lots of purges throughout history (the term is most often used in conjunction with the witch purges in Europe.)

Oh I agree about that but with such a topic comparisons will always be drawn to Nazi brand of hate. I don't know why but Roden reminded me of a sort of Goebelles type figure.

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

No question there's a fair comparison. Of course, once people reach a certain level of pathological hatred toward people who "ain't us", there's not a whole lot of difference between'em, anyway, whether they're Hitler, the KKK, the Inquisition, Al-Quaida, or what-have-you.

 

[Kean]

No question there's a fair comparison. Of course, once people reach a certain level of pathological hatred toward people who "ain't us", there's not a whole lot of difference between'em, anyway, whether they're Hitler, the KKK, the Inquisition, Al-Quaida, or what-have-you.

True, where do you think he is going with this whole thing?

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

Dunno, and I'm trying not to get too wrapped up in anticipating, yet. He could be drawing specific parallels, but it's too early. I'm going to wait and find out a little more about Twilight first.

 

[GATEGOD]

Loved how Faith reacted to the situations she was faced with. Hopefully we'll see more of her!!
The fact that the bad guy thinks that Buffy still being alive is hilarious, because she obviously will one day kill him.
Just like she did to Adam!!! Or at least that is what I'd expect to happen. They can't kill Buffy...again :lmao:

 

[Kean]

Loved how Faith reacted to the situations she was faced with. Hopefully we'll see more of her!!
The fact that the bad guy thinks that Buffy still being alive is hilarious, because she obviously will one day kill him.
Just like she did to Adam!!! Or at least that is what I'd expect to happen. They can't kill Buffy...again :lmao:

Well they could but Xander would just bring her back again

 

[Allycat]

No question there's a fair comparison. Of course, once people reach a certain level of pathological hatred toward people who "ain't us", there's not a whole lot of difference between'em, anyway, whether they're Hitler, the KKK, the Inquisition, Al-Quaida, or what-have-you.

I don't mean to spark a US-bashing discussion here, but add to that the "War against Terror" and all the alleged 'terrorists' at Quantanamo Bay. Although it might still be wrong, it's certainly not as all-out-evil at the Nazi's. There's a degree of understandability to such actions. There's more examples, where if one group of people (group A) have suffered at the hands of another (group B), when the situation changes it invariably leads to parts or the entire group A oppressing/hating group B. Does anyone remember the conflict in Estonia, between the original people and ethnic Russians earlier this year? A completly understandable situation.

What I'm getting at is that such a deep-rooted hatred for something as we are lead to believe Twilight has usually stems from some place. I think that Twilight might turn out to be a Holtz-like character. He had every reason to hate Angel; I think there might be an incident in Twilight's past that justifies this crusade against magic.

Perhaps an incident that not only scarred him psychologically, but physically as well... perhaps in the facial area?