I'm glad I read it. Buffy seems very lost and vulnerable. She keeps trying to convince herself and everyone else that she's fine when she clearly is not. I'm not surprised that they didn't mention Giles. Buffy won't even allow herself to hear about this new threat. Why would she let them talk about Giles? As this issue takes place a few months after S8, she's probably made it clear by now that she doesn't want to talk about him, and the others have stopped trying. It will all bubble to the surface eventually.
Discussion of Buffy 9.01 "Freefall"- Released 9/14/11 (Dark Horse)
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Hale Caesar
Sunnydale Nerd
That was...okay. Buffy's party never really interested me, the only part of the issue I enjoyed was Willow, Spike and Buffy talking about the seed. And that last panel, WTF?
Overall, I was expecting more, but hopefully it gets a lot better
Overall, I was expecting more, but hopefully it gets a lot better
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Carpe Spuffy!
I didn't have a chance to pick this up yesterday, but I will definitely get it tonight.
Wait, so, someone thinks that Buffy might have slept with Xander? And he thinks Dawn doesn't "need to know"? Wtf? That doesn't sound like Xander, and I can't believe Buffy would do that to Dawn.
Spike in a band? Rad. Punk, I'm assuming?
Excited to read this tonight.
Wait, so, someone thinks that Buffy might have slept with Xander? And he thinks Dawn doesn't "need to know"? Wtf? That doesn't sound like Xander, and I can't believe Buffy would do that to Dawn.
Spike in a band? Rad. Punk, I'm assuming?
Excited to read this tonight.
That last scene with Buffy, Willow and Spike contrasted to the first page and Willow telling Buffy her drunken wild happy girl meltdown is "adorable" Plus Buffy calling Spike "stalky the clown" and his response" that's a bit harsh after last night" I think makes a pretty summary of the entire issue.
The character who is on meltdown freefall mode, needing to numb herself with drink and being the happy drunk clown is Buffy - not Spike. Willow describing Buffy as "adorable" happy drunk and the No big deal about the destruction of the seed becomes very different at the end - Willow is very angry with Buffy and concerned about the destruction of the seed and magic. And, my interpretation of all the Buffyspeak is that Spike wants to be be there to help Buffy and to be an important part of whatever struggles are coming in this new phase of the Slayers post "Chosen."
That last page - as a Joke, which Scott Allie informs us was partly its intent, makes a good introduction for the changes that Harmony helped let loose - Government coming after you in any form is one the Big Fears that run our society and for Government to be using demons now to do the chasing and collecting - the human world has indeed changed. Still, for me, the past page was totally lame.
The character who is on meltdown freefall mode, needing to numb herself with drink and being the happy drunk clown is Buffy - not Spike. Willow describing Buffy as "adorable" happy drunk and the No big deal about the destruction of the seed becomes very different at the end - Willow is very angry with Buffy and concerned about the destruction of the seed and magic. And, my interpretation of all the Buffyspeak is that Spike wants to be be there to help Buffy and to be an important part of whatever struggles are coming in this new phase of the Slayers post "Chosen."
That last page - as a Joke, which Scott Allie informs us was partly its intent, makes a good introduction for the changes that Harmony helped let loose - Government coming after you in any form is one the Big Fears that run our society and for Government to be using demons now to do the chasing and collecting - the human world has indeed changed. Still, for me, the past page was totally lame.
Joan the Vampire Slayer
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Buffy4ever2k10
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The issue took me by surprise because i didn´t expected this. Drunk Buffy and hangover flashbacks felt very out of place. What about Giles death and what happend to Faith and Angel? The artwork looks awful too. Season 8 was a big joke or what is going on? The only thing that was missing was Doctor Who and his timey wimey stuff to undo season 8.
I guess the thing that escaped out of the prison could be the next big bad but i have no clue who or what it was?
I thought Buffy was all grown up and now she is just a stupid girl again and did she lost some IQ points or something?
I hope the next issue is not so...well childish.
I guess the thing that escaped out of the prison could be the next big bad but i have no clue who or what it was?
I thought Buffy was all grown up and now she is just a stupid girl again and did she lost some IQ points or something?
I hope the next issue is not so...well childish.
T
The Scourge
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Daniel Osbourne
Townie
Canon watch is up!
Oh my goodness. Do I ever have questions. Are Xander and Buffy having an affair? Is Aura the same girl from WttH? Has Spike given up on Buffy, because he makes out with a random girl right in front of her? What the heck is the demon underground? How was the demon army casting binding spells? What is killing the Jane Does? Why did Willow need to sneak out on Aura? Just how much is knowledge of the supernatural world affecting the public? Exactly what did Buffy do? And why is it so important that she pay her student loan?
Boy, this issue really did pile on the questions. It was nice to see Riley back, and I'd like to know how Aura and Willow came to be together. I'm interested in what little we saw of Officer Dowling. I guess that the girl with all the vans is a dejected Slayer? Or maybe a powerless witch? I'm also guessing that this entire arc will be based on flashbacks to the night before as Buffy fills in the pieces.
The only real criticism I have is that the artwork for the character's faces sometimes isn't very good, especially the scene in which Buffy and Willow talk on the bed.
I need answers and I have to wait a month! Here we go...
Oh my goodness. Do I ever have questions. Are Xander and Buffy having an affair? Is Aura the same girl from WttH? Has Spike given up on Buffy, because he makes out with a random girl right in front of her? What the heck is the demon underground? How was the demon army casting binding spells? What is killing the Jane Does? Why did Willow need to sneak out on Aura? Just how much is knowledge of the supernatural world affecting the public? Exactly what did Buffy do? And why is it so important that she pay her student loan?
Boy, this issue really did pile on the questions. It was nice to see Riley back, and I'd like to know how Aura and Willow came to be together. I'm interested in what little we saw of Officer Dowling. I guess that the girl with all the vans is a dejected Slayer? Or maybe a powerless witch? I'm also guessing that this entire arc will be based on flashbacks to the night before as Buffy fills in the pieces.
The only real criticism I have is that the artwork for the character's faces sometimes isn't very good, especially the scene in which Buffy and Willow talk on the bed.
I need answers and I have to wait a month! Here we go...
Joan the Vampire Slayer
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SupportOGal
The Earth is doomed.
I enjoyed this episode, a lot actually. Yes, it was silly rather than serious, and didn't even mention Giles - but I'm certain that's to come, and it's going to be painful. Buffy overcompensating for her sadness with silliness and faux-happiness seems in character to me. Also, she got really, really drunk - that's not normal Buffy. People only seem to get trashed in the Buffyverse out of pain. She'll have to start facing up to stuff sooner or later.
This is the first time in a long time that I could actually relate to any of the characters. While the plot wasn't earth-shattering in this one, I think the ep did a nice job of bringing us back to the Buffy we used to love. I'm sure we're in for an interesting season!
This is the first time in a long time that I could actually relate to any of the characters. While the plot wasn't earth-shattering in this one, I think the ep did a nice job of bringing us back to the Buffy we used to love. I'm sure we're in for an interesting season!
VisionGirl
Newly Human
Hey, I was wondering where you read this, I'd like to read that. But I have been avoiding some of the Scott Allie/Georges Jeanty interviews of late, as I didn't want to be spoiled.
I have a lot to say, but not a lot of time right now, so I'll just make one point. Maybe it's supposed to be a joke, but I took the last page as an F.U. to the readers, like "Hey, you wanted us to come back down to earth, right?". I've been a big defender of the comics in the past, but if the season is going to be like this I'll take big, overreaching season 8 with space frakking rather than this drivel. Honestly, my reaction to the last page wasn't so much "Lame-O!" as feeling pissed off. I don't know why I'm feeling so negative about this, I've been feeling this way since I saw the preview pages. Does not begin to compare to Angel & Faith.
There were some little interesting things that I hope they build on (& surely they have nowhere to go but up!), but I need to leave in a few minutes, so I'll come back with my other comments.
Oh, and congrats [MENTION=8557]Skytteflickan88[/MENTION], it was soooo cool to see your screenname in print! 🙂
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Skytteflickan88
I was so happy to see my name. :)
Joan the Vampire Slayer
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Hale Caesar
Sunnydale Nerd
I really didn't like Georges Jeanty's art either (especially since Rebekah Isaacs is so amazing). I couldn't tell who Buffy was talking to in the van, I made an educated guess that it was Riley, but I could be wrong
Moscow Watcher
Scooby
Here are my thinky thoughts:
Once upon a time, very long ago, when I was only discovering the wonderful world of fanfiction, I stumbled upon a gem on ff.net: Buffy slept with somebody but can't remember if it was Angel, Spike or Riley.
Joss went further. Spike and Riley are in the tally, and instead of Angel, there are Xander, Willow (yes - Willow!), Buffy's boss and a mysterious neighbor. The scenes between Buffy and all her possible one-night stands are ambiguous enough to be interpreted any which way you like. Buffy herself doesn't remember anything - or doesn't want to remember. Joss teases all the shipper groups, and he does it in his inimitable style, half-jokingly, half-seriously.
So far, the only consequence of season 8 is the loss of magic. Buffy's "terrorist" activities are forgotten. Bank-robbing is forgotten. Giles' isn't mentioned at all. Unless the guy in red glasses in #40 is really Ripper, Giles is forgotten. (Pity.)
The contrast between season 8 and the first issue of season 9 reminds me the contrast between the tragic ending of season 5 and lightness of early season 6 episodes like "Life Serial" and "All the Way". The new season is smaller in scope and is dedicated to smaller problems.
Buffy's rommates represent two dead ends of her potential future. Anaheed is a walking proof that education isn't a solution of your problems while Tumble who plays computer games all the time, is apparently single and satisfied with it. Interestingly, Anaheed and Tumble's dynamics resembles that of Willow and Xander in season 1 - they are buddies, they apparently know each other for a long time, she is an intellectual, he is a slacker close to the nerd culture. Looks like they'll be recurring characters.
Re: the mystery subplot. I like Emmie's version about the cause of the girls deaths: that they are former vampires, killed by detachment of the demon who animated the body. It doesn't explain why there is no male victims, but I think we'll find out in time.
El Draco is a very colorful character. Looks like he spent so much time in his jail that he has almost lost the ability to speak. His jailers don't look like good guys. His line "Kill all" is followed by a scene in which Buffy screams "Kill! Kill" as she and her guests play Chicken in the pool. Maybe it's an unintentional parallel - but I have the impression that El Draco isn't a bad guy, and that eventually he'll become Buffy's ally.
The mysterious neighbor, Heinrich, is intriguing. (BTW, Joss indended to give The Master the name Heinrich Joseph Nest). We don't see Heinrich and Buffy doesn't remember visiting him - but in the morning he sends her flowers. Is it only my suspicious mind, or Heinrich's flowers *do* have an uncanny resemblance to Twilight boots in the first issue of s8? 🙂 A reclusive type (nobody even knew his name before the party), sends Buffy flowers after spending 20 minutes with her. Sounds like a set-up.
I wonder what secret Xander hides from Dawn but shares with Buffy. I hope he's dissatisfied with his job but doesn't want to quit because he wants Dawn to be able to continue higher education. Or maybe he is unhappy that Buffy wastes her life waitressing and throwing parties. He always put her on pedestal, and now that pedestal is crumbling.
Willow wants to talk to Buffy alone, without Spike at her side. It's about the Seed, but not about blaming Buffy. Maybe Willow wants to restore the Seed and needs Buffy's help.
Spike and Spuffy:
When Spike arrives, Buffy is already quite drunk, and she openly flirts with him. He is unimpressed. Later we see him kissing a random girl at the party. When Riley gives Buffy a pep talk, she replies that he sounds like Spike.
The next evening when Spike joins Buffy and Willow at patrol, Buffy is angry at him; she calls him Stalky the Clown. I like her passive-agressive reaction; it's obvious that these two have a lot of unresolved issues. But the season only starts. We have a lot of room for development. So far, I have the impression that Spike slowly turns into Angel circa season 1: he provides Buffy with cryptic clues and tries to protect her. It jibes well with Jeanty's recent declarations at DragonCon.
Overall, I liked the issue. The dialog is quintessestially Jossian, the narrative is energetic and the final twist about the student loan is silly and funny and very season 1.
Once upon a time, very long ago, when I was only discovering the wonderful world of fanfiction, I stumbled upon a gem on ff.net: Buffy slept with somebody but can't remember if it was Angel, Spike or Riley.
Joss went further. Spike and Riley are in the tally, and instead of Angel, there are Xander, Willow (yes - Willow!), Buffy's boss and a mysterious neighbor. The scenes between Buffy and all her possible one-night stands are ambiguous enough to be interpreted any which way you like. Buffy herself doesn't remember anything - or doesn't want to remember. Joss teases all the shipper groups, and he does it in his inimitable style, half-jokingly, half-seriously.
So far, the only consequence of season 8 is the loss of magic. Buffy's "terrorist" activities are forgotten. Bank-robbing is forgotten. Giles' isn't mentioned at all. Unless the guy in red glasses in #40 is really Ripper, Giles is forgotten. (Pity.)
The contrast between season 8 and the first issue of season 9 reminds me the contrast between the tragic ending of season 5 and lightness of early season 6 episodes like "Life Serial" and "All the Way". The new season is smaller in scope and is dedicated to smaller problems.
Buffy's rommates represent two dead ends of her potential future. Anaheed is a walking proof that education isn't a solution of your problems while Tumble who plays computer games all the time, is apparently single and satisfied with it. Interestingly, Anaheed and Tumble's dynamics resembles that of Willow and Xander in season 1 - they are buddies, they apparently know each other for a long time, she is an intellectual, he is a slacker close to the nerd culture. Looks like they'll be recurring characters.
Re: the mystery subplot. I like Emmie's version about the cause of the girls deaths: that they are former vampires, killed by detachment of the demon who animated the body. It doesn't explain why there is no male victims, but I think we'll find out in time.
El Draco is a very colorful character. Looks like he spent so much time in his jail that he has almost lost the ability to speak. His jailers don't look like good guys. His line "Kill all" is followed by a scene in which Buffy screams "Kill! Kill" as she and her guests play Chicken in the pool. Maybe it's an unintentional parallel - but I have the impression that El Draco isn't a bad guy, and that eventually he'll become Buffy's ally.
The mysterious neighbor, Heinrich, is intriguing. (BTW, Joss indended to give The Master the name Heinrich Joseph Nest). We don't see Heinrich and Buffy doesn't remember visiting him - but in the morning he sends her flowers. Is it only my suspicious mind, or Heinrich's flowers *do* have an uncanny resemblance to Twilight boots in the first issue of s8? 🙂 A reclusive type (nobody even knew his name before the party), sends Buffy flowers after spending 20 minutes with her. Sounds like a set-up.
I wonder what secret Xander hides from Dawn but shares with Buffy. I hope he's dissatisfied with his job but doesn't want to quit because he wants Dawn to be able to continue higher education. Or maybe he is unhappy that Buffy wastes her life waitressing and throwing parties. He always put her on pedestal, and now that pedestal is crumbling.
Willow wants to talk to Buffy alone, without Spike at her side. It's about the Seed, but not about blaming Buffy. Maybe Willow wants to restore the Seed and needs Buffy's help.
Spike and Spuffy:
When Spike arrives, Buffy is already quite drunk, and she openly flirts with him. He is unimpressed. Later we see him kissing a random girl at the party. When Riley gives Buffy a pep talk, she replies that he sounds like Spike.
The next evening when Spike joins Buffy and Willow at patrol, Buffy is angry at him; she calls him Stalky the Clown. I like her passive-agressive reaction; it's obvious that these two have a lot of unresolved issues. But the season only starts. We have a lot of room for development. So far, I have the impression that Spike slowly turns into Angel circa season 1: he provides Buffy with cryptic clues and tries to protect her. It jibes well with Jeanty's recent declarations at DragonCon.
Overall, I liked the issue. The dialog is quintessestially Jossian, the narrative is energetic and the final twist about the student loan is silly and funny and very season 1.
Joan the Vampire Slayer
great comments! thanks. :-)
Ten Reasons To Love Buffy S9 #1 Freefall!
1) Angsty Xander. Being sad agrees with him plenty!
2) Well adjusted Willow. With a new adorable haircut, grown up clothes, new girlfriend, and a job!
3) Spike is finally part of the gang! He's a Scooby! He belongs!
4) Buffy's new roommates are awesome!
5) The Buffy/Riley friendship.
6) Buffy and Willow are still close friends!
7) Xander and Willow finally lose their S8 wardrobe!
8) The whole mystery about the murdered girls is very interesting.
9) No magic!!!!!! Yay!!!!!
10) Another real life season with real life problems, the ones Buffy isn't so good at, it'll be great to see her struggling with real life in a world with no magic.
A few Comments:
- After long debates about Willow being in a dark place and hating Buffy while Xander is having the time of his life with Girlfriend Dawn and normal life, it's so refreshing to see the exact opposite of that. After years of watching Willow crumbling and Xander solid, it's a nice change having their roles reversed. It's been happening since S8, with Willow taking Xander's old role of challenging Buffy and questioning her decisions and Xander taking Willow's old role of being the supportive and trusting best friend.
- The last page is more than a silly joke, it's a reminder that this season will be dealing with real life issues and problems. Buffy is a waitress, who needs to pay rent, who needs to respect her roommates' privacy, who right now doesn't have magic or a lot of demons to escape to.
- Spike is looking so good standing by Buffy and Willow's side as part of their circle, the last panel with him and Willow laughing is so adorable. He fits well with the Scoobies!
1) Angsty Xander. Being sad agrees with him plenty!
2) Well adjusted Willow. With a new adorable haircut, grown up clothes, new girlfriend, and a job!
3) Spike is finally part of the gang! He's a Scooby! He belongs!
4) Buffy's new roommates are awesome!
5) The Buffy/Riley friendship.
6) Buffy and Willow are still close friends!
7) Xander and Willow finally lose their S8 wardrobe!
8) The whole mystery about the murdered girls is very interesting.
9) No magic!!!!!! Yay!!!!!
10) Another real life season with real life problems, the ones Buffy isn't so good at, it'll be great to see her struggling with real life in a world with no magic.
A few Comments:
- After long debates about Willow being in a dark place and hating Buffy while Xander is having the time of his life with Girlfriend Dawn and normal life, it's so refreshing to see the exact opposite of that. After years of watching Willow crumbling and Xander solid, it's a nice change having their roles reversed. It's been happening since S8, with Willow taking Xander's old role of challenging Buffy and questioning her decisions and Xander taking Willow's old role of being the supportive and trusting best friend.
- The last page is more than a silly joke, it's a reminder that this season will be dealing with real life issues and problems. Buffy is a waitress, who needs to pay rent, who needs to respect her roommates' privacy, who right now doesn't have magic or a lot of demons to escape to.
- Spike is looking so good standing by Buffy and Willow's side as part of their circle, the last panel with him and Willow laughing is so adorable. He fits well with the Scoobies!
Joan the Vampire Slayer
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Moscow Watcher
Love the list - although, gives how many people dislikes season 6 that featured real life problems, I expect criticism to start soon.
Gum Gnome33
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VisionGirl
Newly Human
Just a few small comments: I didn't read the Buffy/Xander scene as sexual (as in, they're having an affair, or even that Buffy was coming on to him). I think Xander is upset & feels loss about his change of circumstances. He really came into his own in season 8, with his leadership of the Slayers. I think he's having a hard time adjusting to his "civilian" life.
I don't think Buffy had sex with anyone. But personally, I don't like drunk Buffy, and I feel that she was just too happy in the party scenes. Trying too hard I guess. But why in the world would Spike be making out with a girl in front of Buffy? I don't get that. And she tells him not to let anyone know he's a vampire, but he's retelling the storyline from season 4, and he talks about the bug ship. I realize everyone else is drinking or drunk so maybe they won't remember it. I still think something seems "off" about the party scene. The only thing that seemed realistic was the Buffy/Riley scene, I can totally imagine them having that conversation.
I'm concerned about Spike's development, or lack thereof. While I did like the Willow/Spike/Buffy scene, I hope he'll be more than just Buffy's shadow in this season. He has grown beyond season 7 Spike.
I'm not sure about the dead girls, definitely intrigued by that. Maybe they're wiccans/witches who died after losing their power?
So, is this season a metaphor about adult life? The floundering and lostness one feels after the college years? If so, I guess I'm getting tired of the metaphors of the seasons of life. It worked really, really well in seasons 1-3. That was the premise of the show (high school is hell) and was hilarious & for the most part well-done. But either the metaphor is getting stretched too thin or I just don't have interest in it anymore. The college metaphor lasted 1.5 seasons, then we have another 1.5 seasons of "real life" ("life is the Big Bad"). I just think that seasons 7 & 8 took us beyond that, and this issue feels like a big of a regression to me.
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I don't think Buffy had sex with anyone. But personally, I don't like drunk Buffy, and I feel that she was just too happy in the party scenes. Trying too hard I guess. But why in the world would Spike be making out with a girl in front of Buffy? I don't get that. And she tells him not to let anyone know he's a vampire, but he's retelling the storyline from season 4, and he talks about the bug ship. I realize everyone else is drinking or drunk so maybe they won't remember it. I still think something seems "off" about the party scene. The only thing that seemed realistic was the Buffy/Riley scene, I can totally imagine them having that conversation.
I'm concerned about Spike's development, or lack thereof. While I did like the Willow/Spike/Buffy scene, I hope he'll be more than just Buffy's shadow in this season. He has grown beyond season 7 Spike.
I'm not sure about the dead girls, definitely intrigued by that. Maybe they're wiccans/witches who died after losing their power?
So, is this season a metaphor about adult life? The floundering and lostness one feels after the college years? If so, I guess I'm getting tired of the metaphors of the seasons of life. It worked really, really well in seasons 1-3. That was the premise of the show (high school is hell) and was hilarious & for the most part well-done. But either the metaphor is getting stretched too thin or I just don't have interest in it anymore. The college metaphor lasted 1.5 seasons, then we have another 1.5 seasons of "real life" ("life is the Big Bad"). I just think that seasons 7 & 8 took us beyond that, and this issue feels like a big of a regression to me.
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OK, I found this:
I'm sorry, still not buying it, still don't think it's funny. Must be just me!
Kean
It's not just you, the "joke" was lame balls.
brinkster130
ITA about the Buffy/Xander scene not being sexual.
I truly hope this doesn't continue throughout the season because I already have real life to struggle through, I don't want to struggle through Buffy's too.
Life as the big bad is really the very last thing I want to see the Buffyverse tackle literally again.
VisionGirl
Me too!
Joan the Vampire Slayer
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VisionGirl
Newly Human
Ooh, Scott Allie says: "Working it out with Fox. Digital is coming." He's talking about digital Buffy comics, not the motion comics. Which I am excited about. I've said before that I'd rather purchase individual issues digitally then if I like it purchase the trade paperbacks. It would also make it easier on those people who don't have a comic book store close to them.
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I think I just need to stop commenting myself, and just say ITA with [MENTION=7585]Kean[/MENTION], since she is saying absolutely everything I'm thinking LOL!
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I think I just need to stop commenting myself, and just say ITA with [MENTION=7585]Kean[/MENTION], since she is saying absolutely everything I'm thinking LOL!
Joan the Vampire Slayer
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Stanger406
Potential
I was reading some comments Scott Allie made last night, and he said it was a coincidence about Aura, that it is not Aura from the first episode. Also he said that the final page is setting up (not sure if this is a spoiler, so I'll mark it as one)
...overall though, I was hoping for a similar tone to A & F and I too was disappointed that there was no mention of the end of season 8.
the idea that now magic is gone, demons are finding other things to do like getting jobs
The Scourge
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I have a feeling that the integration of vampires and demons into normal society is going to make the Buffyverse as a whole a lot less enjoyable. I'm ready for them to bring back magic and do a mass mind-wipe.
And as a huge hater of mind-wipes I cannot believe I just admitted to this.
And as a huge hater of mind-wipes I cannot believe I just admitted to this.
It's not gonna be real life, now is it? Vampires and demons are still there. Mystery and death is still there. Willow obviously will get her magic back. But it's gonna be a more grounded season. Isn't that what everybody wanted? S8 was hated because it was too epic. I'm excited for S9 because it's gonna focus on the characters more and keep the issues more relatable and hopefully use the monsters as matephors like they did in the high school seasons.
And thank God for a season without magic! Seriously, magic makes things way too easy. Willow used her spells to solve complicated issues in a snap and that's, IMO, boring. I want the characters to save the world the hard way with no aid from magic.
So, yay for S9 being grounded, having no magic, and making the characters more humans and less superheroes. 😉
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Totally agreed
See, I didn't find issue one all that grounded at all. For me it was ridiculous and lacked the levity that I really feel it needed (and is appropriate) in the wake of S8.
I have no more interest in Buffy being over the top and false in a real world setting than I do in a super hero setting.
I know you really enjoyed this issue but I pretty much hated it. It felt heartless, to me at least.
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I'm just wondering who the hell is this comic for, because it seems to me that Buffy fans aren't the primary target any more, you know, the "Buffy is an awesome show, check it out friend. Yeah, you're right my sis/bro great stuff, I heard there are some comics too, I have got to check them out" type, no, these days you have to be a mythology proficient, omni-shipping, subtext-hunting demigod-level hardcore. I don't feel I'm cool enough. The meta thing got out of control, shipper baiting, self-conscious-y, subtext-y madness, it's like they're trying to be like...
Oh God.
Fan Fiction. Now, I know that some of the fan created stuff out there is absolutely phenomenal, but canon-guys, this isn't your job and this isn't your place, you can't compete with fan created content. Don't try, seriously, you will never be as weird or cool, it's not like you can turn Buffy into an anal sex obsessed addict ( or sex addicted with eh...whatever ) with two wives and her own pet sex slave or have her raped by Santa Claus ( these are actual, existing examples and trust me, it's nothing ) or OK, you can, but...but guys! Make Buffy for fans, not for demigods, pretty please?
One more thing. Buffy feels dread. Dread of what, exactly? Loosing her friends? Happened before, oh so many times. Loneliness? Like that's something new. Pain and death? Please. Future? New evil to slay, still the chosen one, nothing changes. Real life? Guess what, vampires and demons are real life now and she's THE expert. Unintended pregnancy? Oh, right, a legitimate concern. See, she's above that. The only thing that can challenge Buffy Summers now is Buffy Summers herself. Choose the alternative, and you get a childish idiot with amnesia.
Oh God.
Fan Fiction. Now, I know that some of the fan created stuff out there is absolutely phenomenal, but canon-guys, this isn't your job and this isn't your place, you can't compete with fan created content. Don't try, seriously, you will never be as weird or cool, it's not like you can turn Buffy into an anal sex obsessed addict ( or sex addicted with eh...whatever ) with two wives and her own pet sex slave or have her raped by Santa Claus ( these are actual, existing examples and trust me, it's nothing ) or OK, you can, but...but guys! Make Buffy for fans, not for demigods, pretty please?
One more thing. Buffy feels dread. Dread of what, exactly? Loosing her friends? Happened before, oh so many times. Loneliness? Like that's something new. Pain and death? Please. Future? New evil to slay, still the chosen one, nothing changes. Real life? Guess what, vampires and demons are real life now and she's THE expert. Unintended pregnancy? Oh, right, a legitimate concern. See, she's above that. The only thing that can challenge Buffy Summers now is Buffy Summers herself. Choose the alternative, and you get a childish idiot with amnesia.
But Buffy didn't act over the top when she was sober. She acted exactly like every person with a severe hangover - desperately trying to remember what the heck she'd done the night before.
And that's what's challenging Buffy. Herself. Look at what Xander says in the issue, "You making plans? That are not battle plans? That's impressive." Buffy lived her whole life thinking she has nothing but slaying. No future like her friends. She never bothered to think about her major and what she'll excel at except when she were in college and now that she's twenty five with no college degree and the doors being wide open for her to be anything she wanted, she's too scared that's too late to think of what she can be. I also think she's dreading losing the vampires and demons "“things she's used to and is very good at. Throughout the years, she did so well at being a slayer but not so well at real life matters. She's probably afraid of failing, which is something all of us fear.