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Do You Believe He Actually Loved Her?
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Oh you didn't offend me at all, the person who wrought the essay did. Ducks isn't a thing, she's person. Fantastic fan fic writer.
He loved Cordy I just think he was in love with her at that stage, so much had gone down and they had never gotten a chance to be anything so no I don't think he loved her as much as he will always love Buffy, but in saying that Cordy was his best friend.
palabravampiress
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I'm on the first love bandwagon.
I think Buffy and Angel loved each other with that intense, romantic, sort of insanely wrapped-up-in-one-another kind of way. According to the psych textbooks, that's an actual phase in every romantic relationship; it's the first phase. I think it's called the bonding phase. Anyone who's ever been in love knows what I'm talking about. I've only ever been in love twice, so I can't say much for first love compared to other loves, but based on my experience, I think that first love is definitely a powerful thing. It sticks with you. It never really entirely goes away, even when you move on. I, for instance, am totally in love with and happy with my husband. He's my second and greatest (and adult) love. We've known each other for a decade, been a couple for more than half that time, been married for 2 and a half years, and I still get butterflies when I'm around him. But I also get butterflies when I'm around my first love. I would never want to date him again. Our breakup was a good thing. But my point here is that even though I have moved on in a major way and would never ever pursue a romantic relationship with my first love, a little part of me will always love him.
That being the case, I think it is totally plausible that little pieces of Buffy and Angel will always love each other. That doesn't mean the relationship is now (at the end of season 7) or ever will be (although circumstances might change) able to work out. They broke up for some pretty compelling reasons and all of those issues are still there. So even though they might still love each other, that doesn't mean that someone new can't come and totally sweep Buffy or Angel of their respective feet. There's no law saying that your heart is only big enough for one great love per lifetime. I think it is totally possible for Buffy and Angel to love each other enough to be happy for one another if and when they find relationships that *do* work.
So yes, I do think Angel loved Buffy and Buffy loved Angel in the last episode of season 7. But no, I don't think that in any way diminishes the love Angel felt for Cordy or the love that Buffy felt for Riley or Spike or even the love that they both may feel for other people at some point in the future.
I think Buffy and Angel loved each other with that intense, romantic, sort of insanely wrapped-up-in-one-another kind of way. According to the psych textbooks, that's an actual phase in every romantic relationship; it's the first phase. I think it's called the bonding phase. Anyone who's ever been in love knows what I'm talking about. I've only ever been in love twice, so I can't say much for first love compared to other loves, but based on my experience, I think that first love is definitely a powerful thing. It sticks with you. It never really entirely goes away, even when you move on. I, for instance, am totally in love with and happy with my husband. He's my second and greatest (and adult) love. We've known each other for a decade, been a couple for more than half that time, been married for 2 and a half years, and I still get butterflies when I'm around him. But I also get butterflies when I'm around my first love. I would never want to date him again. Our breakup was a good thing. But my point here is that even though I have moved on in a major way and would never ever pursue a romantic relationship with my first love, a little part of me will always love him.
That being the case, I think it is totally plausible that little pieces of Buffy and Angel will always love each other. That doesn't mean the relationship is now (at the end of season 7) or ever will be (although circumstances might change) able to work out. They broke up for some pretty compelling reasons and all of those issues are still there. So even though they might still love each other, that doesn't mean that someone new can't come and totally sweep Buffy or Angel of their respective feet. There's no law saying that your heart is only big enough for one great love per lifetime. I think it is totally possible for Buffy and Angel to love each other enough to be happy for one another if and when they find relationships that *do* work.
So yes, I do think Angel loved Buffy and Buffy loved Angel in the last episode of season 7. But no, I don't think that in any way diminishes the love Angel felt for Cordy or the love that Buffy felt for Riley or Spike or even the love that they both may feel for other people at some point in the future.
Tranquillity
well said!
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anyatara
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As a devoted Bangelite I would just like to say...My work here is done.:hihi:
Really though, Cordy and Angel are probably my favourite chracters just not together.
Buffy&Angel4ever!
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randiann
YAY Bangel power!!!
Cangel never even happened! and Spuffy well I will never be on board with that....and Bangel most definitely did not suck...well apart for a Graduation Day part II...point is...Bangel rules all.Fact!
white avenger
Bangle may rule, but Spuffy will always defy all the rules. Live with it !
Blondie Bear
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I like Cordy & Angel, but I found Cangel kind of . . . weird. And forced. Except for the scene where they're laying in bed with Connor between them and discussing what to do with all the money Fred just made them, I didn't see any chemistry between the two of them, romantically, anyway. Buffy and Angel definitely had chemistry, as did Buffy and Spike. Hm . . . maybe SMG's just a better actress?
November
I agree about the lack of chemistry!
I duno about being a better actress but I think Cordy and Angel had too much of a brother/sister chemistry for it to transcend into a romatic relationship...like you said it looked forced.
white avenger
white avenger
palabravampiress
Bidet of Evil
I find it interesting that some people don't want to call Spuffy "love" even though both characters involved called it that at one time or another. I say "some people" because it's not just you, Keanoite! I'm not trying to single you out or anything just because you're the most recent anti-Spuffy poster.
Generally, I'm willing to call it love if the characters did and if no spell forced the issue. Buffy and Angel? Love. Angel and Cordy? Love. Xander and Anya? Love. You get the idea. I'm not sure whether Giles and Jenny were in love, but if they weren't, I think they were heading that way. I don't think Buffy and Parker were in love. Or Xander and Willow. Or Angel and Nina. So, basically, I sort of accept what Joss gave us. And Joss wrote Buffy and Angel as in love, so I buy it. It may not be my favorite type of love, but I do think it was real for both characters.
Generally, I'm willing to call it love if the characters did and if no spell forced the issue. Buffy and Angel? Love. Angel and Cordy? Love. Xander and Anya? Love. You get the idea. I'm not sure whether Giles and Jenny were in love, but if they weren't, I think they were heading that way. I don't think Buffy and Parker were in love. Or Xander and Willow. Or Angel and Nina. So, basically, I sort of accept what Joss gave us. And Joss wrote Buffy and Angel as in love, so I buy it. It may not be my favorite type of love, but I do think it was real for both characters.
white avenger
white avenger
Nothing wrong
There's nothing wrong with that. High school Buffy and Angel made a cute couple. Grown up Buffy and Spike radiate enough heat to melt the polar ice cap. No problems there...
There's nothing wrong with that. High school Buffy and Angel made a cute couple. Grown up Buffy and Spike radiate enough heat to melt the polar ice cap. No problems there...
anyatara
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Cangel...never...? :O Have you seen Your Welcome, child?!? [Who happens to be older than me, but do I look like I care right now?!? 😛]
One kiss does not a ship make young girl:tongue:.....had to add that in😉
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Lets take this outside Palabra!:tongue:...Honestly though, I don't deny that Buffy and Spike cared about each other at all. I just do not like the relationship. Not as lovers anyway. I also don't deny that Angel and Cordy cared about each other but I always thought their chemistry was that of siblings, so their 'relationship' or the shows attempt to create a ship for them was weird for .
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I wanted to say 'No, but it could make a boat' but that humour is pretty lame 😛 And, it's not one kiss, he's so broken up, when she's dead, it's such a romantic episode, you killed that for me 🙁 😛
white avenger
white avenger
The original question of this thread was "Does He Love Her?" not "Do They Love Each Other?" or "Who Loved Who The Most?" or any of a dozen other variations. Does Spike love Buffy? Absolutely. He proved it over and over, enduring torture, protecting her and her family from her enemies, regaining his soul, and simply being there for her when no one else was. None of Buffy's other lovers endured so much and received so little in return as Spike did. SPIKE LOVES BUFFY. Period. I don't see how anyone could doubt that, considering what he went through to prove it.
The companion question is, "Does She Love Him?" This is where the Spuffies, Bangles, the Fuffies, the Billows, and all of the other shippers tend to drift apart. Some will say that Buffy could never love someone who tried to rape her (of course, I might point out that those same people have no problem with her loving a vampire who tried to kill her AND destroy the world). The truth is, as much as I believe that she does, as much as I WANT her to, neither I nor any of the other fans can say for sure, because of the evilness of he who created the Buffyverse, the Almighty Joss has always been so ambiguous in the matter.
I will say this, and I will continue to say it, and believe it: If there is anyone in the Buffyverse who has earned Buffy's love, it is Spike. If she's too shallow to see what he's offering her, she doesn't deserve him. He should start stalking Faith.
The companion question is, "Does She Love Him?" This is where the Spuffies, Bangles, the Fuffies, the Billows, and all of the other shippers tend to drift apart. Some will say that Buffy could never love someone who tried to rape her (of course, I might point out that those same people have no problem with her loving a vampire who tried to kill her AND destroy the world). The truth is, as much as I believe that she does, as much as I WANT her to, neither I nor any of the other fans can say for sure, because of the evilness of he who created the Buffyverse, the Almighty Joss has always been so ambiguous in the matter.
I will say this, and I will continue to say it, and believe it: If there is anyone in the Buffyverse who has earned Buffy's love, it is Spike. If she's too shallow to see what he's offering her, she doesn't deserve him. He should start stalking Faith.
November
What the F**** a Fluffie??? lol :)
palabravampiress
Bidet of Evil
Wait a sec... I thought the question was does Angel love Buffy. Was I wrong? Because that's the question I was answering.
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Blondie Bear
Me, too. :S
Kean
I think WA just needed to vent, when he does he gets all nonsensical with Spuffy ramblings...It's part of his charm