Do You Believe He Actually Loved Her?

[palabravampiress]

^ Yeah. That made me mad! I was like, "What about Cordy?!" That was a rather rat-bastard thing for him to do. It was sort of crappy for Buffy, too, but at least Spike wasn't in a freakin' coma!

Granted, none of them ever agreed to any sort of commitment, so that makes things better. But still. I thought it was awfully craptastic of him to go kissing on Buffy when Cordy was in a coma.

 

[LittleMissLikesToFight]

I think seeing Spike and her together made him jealous, and the jealousy was like a big "oh crap... im still really in love with her." Because if he was past the point, he wouldn't care. He might think it weird or gross lol considering its spike and how HE'S known spike and all... but he wouldn't feel that strong about it, if there wasn't love.

 

[Kean]

Personally I don't think that him loving Buffy is even a question. It's an established fact. Just look at 'The Girl in Question' which was months after S7, it is made clear on several occasions in the episode that he is still in love with her.

 

[palabravampiress]

^ All I have to say to that is poor poor Cordy. She really gets the short end of that stick.


And dude... D.B. looks kind of weird in your av. I almost didn't recognize him. He looks sort of like the villain from a silent movie, what with the dark eyebrows and the goatee (sp?). Napkin check! I'm getting this image of him wearing a bowler hat or maybe a cape whilst twirling his mustache and saying, "You must pay the rent! You must pay the rent! You must pay the rent! You must!" Only he's doing it in color... and in a bathtub. Bahaha. And Buffy's standing there next to the commode in a mock swoon going, "I can't pay the rent! I can't pay the rent! I can't pay the rent! I can't!" For some reason, she's wearing a very large bow in her hair. It's a pretty funny mental image. There's an entire funny scene going on in my head right now, and it's all thanks to your avatar. Dude... this should totally be a board game.

 

[Vampmogs2]

Yeah I think he still loved her. That's the whole tragedy of their relationship isn't it? They didn't break up because they had fallen out of love with each other, they broke up because they couldn't be together. It'll always be tragic for them because they do still love each other, but because of his curse and he's a vampire, they can't be together.

In the shooting script for season six's episode 'All the Way' when Anya says Xander is "the one person she's meant to be with" and "how often does the universe allow that to happen?" It actually says in the script that this hits Buffy right in the "Angel jugular."

They were meant to be together, but can't be together, hence big tragic Romeo/Juliet romance :lmao:

And yeah, Cordy did get the rough end of the stick for sure. Cangel had the oddest ending out of any relationship in the entire series. They just kind of dropped it all together, brought it back a little in "˜You're Welcome' but even then they acted more as friends, and then Angel seemingly almost forgot all about her and turned back to Buffy again. They really made a mess of that relationship.

 

[SlayerGirl01]

Yep, i do reakin they still loved each other.
It's Bangel, love from the start and till the end i say!

 

[bufsum]

Yes.

Nothing more needs to be said... accept my long response in the does Buffy love Spike thread. 😉

 

[Wishing Oceans]

I think that Buffy/Spike has taken over as the most "forbidden Love." : king : Anyway, I think that while Buffy will always care about Angel in a way, Spike is now the person that she loves. She will always remember Angel as her first love, but also as a love that was in some ways more perfect than Buffy/Riley, a shade of white. Now, she's moved on and has found more detailed relationships. Afterall, she barely sees Angel anymore, and almost no love lasts forever and ever... Except maybe spuffy. :love14:

Lol, I think that we are perhaps all making judgments that support our ship. :whistle:

 

[BuffyElevated]

Uh, YEAH! Dude went and got a soul for her. This vampire who took so much pride in his killings as a vampire went and got himself a SOUL so he could show her the impact she had made on him. That says love in every language, IMO.

 

[hannahfngrl26]

I read this and I had only one single thought
............duh............duh..............duh..............duh...........duh............duh.........duh..........duh.........duh.........duh..........duh..........duh.............duh.........duh..........duh
How can it even be a question? Every action and word about each other has almost always shown that they love each other and always will in one fashion or another. It is silly to even discuss that there is a possibility they did not. C'mon people. Even if you are not a Bangel fan the writers of the show only prove me to be correct.....

 

[Skanky Vamp]

There is no force in the Jossverse stronger than Bangel.... well, maybe Ruffy but I wont go there again.

 

[Perny]

^This guy is a dreamer!


I can't get into a whole discussion with lots of very convincing points atm. I am sleepy! but I will repeat:
Spike proved that love is stronger than evil. He defied his own nature, and went for a soul. through torture, and hard tests. It says a lot about him. Buffy realized what he had done. Fought to be able to love. To be able to be loved! Cos Buffy had been in a serious boat trip down tha nile! (see? Say it out loud! Tha nile! XD)

Spuffy turned out to be the most powerful force in the Jossverse! Did I make sense? ARGH Sleep

 

[Blackloliita]

I read the first post. And I can actually agree with this post. I mean she'll care about Angel, but it isn't like it's her soulmate or something. Spike clearly is. It's just your first love and blabla, it's hard to get over him and again blabla. It are especially his looks, his acting that made her fall for him, NOTHING more. But than with Spike, she was first "friends" with him, or at least she had just normal contact with him. And she got to know him and she fell for him, a very goodbuilt relationship. I mean you can't decide in once "oh this is my soulmate" (as you might can believe with Bangel), this feeling has to be grown up first, like with Spuffy.

I hope it's bit clear what I mean 😀 😀.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

^This guy is a dreamer!

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

 

[Girl with Sword]

I'm sorry Scobro, but if your a Bangel and Ruffy. You're not a dreamer, your delusional. Bangel was an immature love. They'll always be in each others hearts and care about each other but they're so not meant to be. Ruffy, I'm not even go there, it's not worth my time.

 

[Blair Waldorf-Bass]

I believe he loved her but in a different kind of affection. Angel's object of affection is Cordelia now, but something about someone who you once thought was the love of your life is a thing that you can never forget.

 

[ItMustBeBunnies]

Like alot of people have said, there will always be something between them, but to me when I watch Chosen I just dont feel that spark. Every other time Angel came back to the show I could see it and the chemistry was strong but that last time there was nothing there, it actually felt kinda forced to me. To much had happened and ofcourse bein a spuffy and a cangel gotta say their hearts belonged to others, but a little piece will always be reserved for eachother for sure.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

In the final episode, Chosen, when Angel comes back, they kiss, but he doesn't stay, and he never says 'I love you' and nothing happens, and after all with Cordy *&&* Nina, do you think he still loved Buffy? Because, I realise strong Bangel shippers would want to believe that, but there just aren't any sparks between them anymore, I mean sure, there was a kiss, but it coulda been for old times sake, especially since Buffy is in love with Spike at this point, but do you think either of them felt anything more than old times lust for each other? (By the way, I made up the expression 'old times lust' because I feel random 😛)

A much as I hate to admit it, they will probobly always love each other. They just know it will never work out - unless he becomes human. Thier lives are very different.

Also, quite a few people contest if she actually loved Spike...just so you know. Best not be throwing THAT ball around, kiddo. LOL

It might start another really long "Did Buffy Love Spike?" thread..and I am SO over that argument.

 

[Blair Waldorf-Bass]

A much as I hate to admit it, they will probobly always love each other. They just know it will never work out - unless he becomes human. Thier lives are very different.

Also, quite a few people contest if she actually loved Spike...just so you know. Best not be throwing THAT ball around, kiddo. LOL

It might start another really long "Did Buffy Love Spike?" thread..and I am SO over that argument.

Well, that's the thing about the comics in Angel. However, I feel that Bangel love is immature and that Angel is fully in love with Cordelia. It's so sad that they never got to fully consummate their love for one another. Damn, that would've been good.
But anyhow, back on topic. And yes, Buffy did love Spike, and that's why he's her Champion and a million other reason besides.
But yes, I do believe fully that Angel has moved on from Buffy and that he is now fully in love with Cordy.

 

[Airam]

In the final episode, Chosen, when Angel comes back, they kiss, but he doesn't stay, and he never says 'I love you' and nothing happens, and after all with Cordy *&&* Nina, do you think he still loved Buffy? Because, I realise strong Bangel shippers would want to believe that, but there just aren't any sparks between them anymore, I mean sure, there was a kiss, but it coulda been for old times sake, especially since Buffy is in love with Spike at this point, but do you think either of them felt anything more than old times lust for each other? (By the way, I made up the expression 'old times lust' because I feel random 😛)

Okay, so i'll start by saying that I haven't read any of the responses, just this original question posed... (there were over 100 replies, I just couldn't) But here's what i think in a nutshell.... First of all I wouldn't say it was just lust, but i also don't think it was an "OMG I'm so in love with you still that if you say you love me too we should get back together and never EVER be apart," type sentiment behind that scene. Buffy and Angel will always love eachother, just like I will always love my first boyfriend, but am I still in love with him, no. When people in your life, especially a significant other, are such an important and vital, life-changing part of your life, like Bangel were, there will ALWAYS be love there, they will always care for eachother... and maybe it could even grow back into being in love love one day again. BUT that particular day in Chosen, thats just not where they were in their lives. I think the moment was just intense and they just got caught up... it was a nice way to, for if only a moment, direct their focus on something more mundane than the crucial fight at hand (for Buffy) and the desperate grief for Cordy (for Angel)... that is where I think the cookie dough speech came from. They cared for eachother but were not in love. I appreciate Angel's character growth on AtS far too much to ever believe that he could so instantaneously disregard all of his feelings for Cordelia just because his past smooched him. Same goes for Buffy and how many obstacles and heartache she was able to overcome to really allow Spike into her heart.