Fanatic of a character

I think there is a difference between seeing the POV of you favorite characters, loving them despite their flaws, and being able to see why they are the way they are vs refusing to acknowledge a character’s flaws and/or somehow making every poor choice they make someone else’s fault and thinking that other characters are cruel for noticing said flaws.


This isn’t directed at anyone on here I just think that’s the difference. Giles for example, because he was listed above, I love him but I make no excuses for him drugging Buffy in Helpless, nor have I ever seen another fan do that, or for being the world’s crappiest Watcher to Faith. Buffy I love but when she’s self righteous or makes a bad judgment call I’ll acknowledge it. Faith I love and empathize with because her story is tragic while I can intellectually understand her choices I don’t excuse them, same for Wesley. Xander is a great and loyal friend but he can also act like the stereotypical nice guy. Spike is cool but I don’t like his Season 7 arc. I love my characters flawed.
 
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So you love Buffy, Faith and Angel and in your view their fans aren't fanatical. To me this is bias.

Giles is beloved by most fans, there is little difference between Faith, Angel or Spike fans as to their level of love for Giles.
That's not what I said.
I said I love Buffy and Faith, yet they do have fanatical fans. I love Angel and he doesn't typically, or he doesn't have as many, fanatical fans.
I think popularity is a factor but at the same time, there are popular characters like Angel, Willow and Giles who don't have as many fanatical fans so I think it's more about how the love manifests than the level of love.
 
I agree with Pricey about perspective; I've noticed an increase in fanatical Willow fans over the past few years -- but then she's also one of my least favorite characters and I wonder if it's my own bias speaking or not. I notice a lot of the opposite with Spike; I notice so many Spike haters, but again, I love the character, so maybe I'm simply more sensitive to negativity surrounding him.
 
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A great many threads in the cemetery here are over Spike fanatics losing it, so it's not just imagination.
Well I would say there are certain characters like Spike, Buffy and Faith who do tend to have more fanatical fans than others. And I would say mostly Spike.

It may be because I love Buffy and Faith and I don't love Spike, but then again I love Angel and I still wouldn't say his fans are fanatical. So I do think certain characters create more fanatical fans.

I mean, I've never seen a fanatical Giles fan in all my time in this fandom.

Giles is some of my favorite characters but I won't call myself a fanatical Giles fans.
I think this is unfair. Spike fans aren't any more fanatical than any other fan, it's just that you are not a Spike fan. I've found the Fuffy fans on this board to be highly fanatical. It's all about perspective.

We fans are very protective of our favorite characters.
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I think a lot of why it SEEMS like certain characters have more ‘fanatical’ fans is mostly because they’re the most discussed characters. I’d say Buffy, Faith and Spike are the ones getting the most threads, they’re the ones with the most noticeable flaws and are highly fallible characters. I don’t think it’s wrong to justify your favourites actions. I wholeheartedly admit I could I could probably justify 99.9% of Buffy’s actions but I wouldn’t call myself fanatical, I just find it difficult to not see her POV 😂 it’s just how I watch the show. I acknowledge she’s got some major flaws - I just feel like I can understand them that’s all

Like I said in another post I don’t see anything wrong with justifying or defending your characters more ‘wrong’ actions if you feel you can understand it. I just don’t like the woobifying. On another board I’ve actually noticed a Xander fan who does this and considers Anya to be the one in the wrong in Hells Bells and that she broke up the relationship because she cheated on him with Spike. So I imagine all characters have a couple of fanatical fans. It’s mostly just relative to how much the character gets discussed

It is very easy to empathize with Buffy. The story is told from her POV.

When did Anya cheat on Xander? I have watched the TV series a thousand of times and I do not recall Anya screwing Spike to cheat on Anya. As far I know Anya was jilted at the altar by no other than Xander. I don't acknowledge the existence of his character. I have never met a fan who are fanatical of Xander. I have come across a couple of fans who share an appreciation for him but not to the point of defending his actions in Hells Bells. That fan is creating a story that hasn't taken place.
 
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NileQT87
NileQT87
Spike and Anya doing it on a table in the Magic Box was in Entropy. Xander came at Spike with an ax because it was broadcast on candid camera courtesy of the Nerd Trio. That's when he learned about Spuffy. However, it was *after* Hell's Bells!
Only on the internet.

Offhand, it seems only Spike and Buffy normally get a pass for anything and everything, though not necessarily together, one can fanatically uphold one and possibly loathe the other. (I remember being called a Spuffy once because I dared criticize something Buffy did, and I'm one of those that think Spike should be staked camp, though I will defend his actions and statements at times.)

By "normally" I mean when it happens, not that fans as a whole normally do this.

I think the few fanatics who will excuse Buffy anything probably just project themselves into her, an idealized version of their own self, and likely are hyperdefensive about themselves, too. But that's just a guess.

Willow does get an incredible pass by some (I can think of only one I'd call a "fanatic" about it, however), but she's also just as likely to be despised, like some of the favorite whipping boys. (For that matter, Spike is a favorite whipping boy for some with all the intensity of a pro-Spike fanatic as well. I think the Spike fanatics exacerbate that, likely in a vicious circle, but I don't think that's all it is.)



Read the rest only if you're genuinely curious about why Spike has many willing to excuse everything he does (even to the point of blaming Buffy for his faults) rather than just complaining that it's so. Not that I provide answers, just observations and musings.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that Spike is something of a common trope. Both Thor and Loki are hot and yet Loki gets far more love by men and women both (even despite having his butt handed to him on several occasions, just as Spike does).

I could go on about many series that made major bank, 50 Shades of Grey just one of the better known examples.

Perhaps this is because many mistake obsession for true love (I know this is true in at least a few cases, and one wrote she was mad at Buffy for "keeping Spike away from me" which meant she projected herself into Buffy, possibly because both Buffy and this fan had been abandoned by their fathers), maybe the bad boy can be more trusted (so they think) for the good sex without being judgmental about it (if the bad boys and girls violate social norms in society, then there's a good chance they do so in the bedroom as well).

And I can understand that it feels more real than the more idealized versions of romance (which border on, or are, BS in real life--though so are the tropes of Beauty taming the Beast as in later Spuffy).


There's also the disturbing phenomenon of how we as a society say we don't like psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists, and yet keep finding them hot (not just romance, also in the corporate and political fields--the latter by popular vote, and I don't mean to limit that to any one specific party or ideology, meaning the MAJORITY of people find that type of person appealing, no matter what they say, and often over identify with them, excusing them anything).

That is Spike isn't an anomaly, he's just another manifestation of something very common in the social psyche.

There's a feminist blog (don't know if it's still active and too lazy to look up that needle in the haystack) in which the writer openly stated, to her own discomfort, that as much as she criticized Xander's toxic masculinity, she actually found Hyena Xander hot, and she doesn't know why (and wishes she didn't, but has the honesty to say what she felt).

I do wish this was explored more. I think humanity needs to understand itself more if we're to survive as a species, or at least stop whining about what we always get generation after generation despite endless attempts to change it. (Perhaps it's evolutionary psychology in which the bad kinds we crave were once better equipped to survive a brutal life, but now in a society with rules we're conflicted, as the rules have changed the ancient instincts remain...and I agree with what we resist persists. Like in the Bible Belt where preachers constantly said even THINKING of sex was a sin, so what else are they going to think of when bored, especially when its a hardwired instinct anyway?)

For whatever reason, people crave people like Spike, whether they want to be him, or be his.

I don't mean everyone (certainly not me), of course, but enough that it would be foolish from a marketing perspective to ban characters like him from a story for being too problematic.

Besides, entertainment is generally supposed to be an escape from our lives, not another window of being preached at or bored with sanitized stories (and though many political and religious forces, Left and Right, have always tried to censor all forms of media, they never have more than limited and/or temporary success).

Though I can't help but be reminded of the tongue in cheek "evil attracts women like death attracts flies" in a fun song, I've noticed many men also favor bad girls (as well as non-apologetic butt kickers) over wholesome ones...even crazy ones, like after the movie Serenity came out, I saw a big discussion by men who suddenly wanted to marry the character despite how insane she was. The insane, psychopathic yandere female character of anime appeals to many guys as well despite that in real life it would be a horror story. (This isn't about the petty, vengeful types, that is the female Snyders.)

I've known men and women who preferred Faith to Buffy (though not in overwhelming numbers), at least in some ways (I think part of it is that Faith was unapologetic and "cried less" because her popularity waned with those types on Angel).

I think the Aunties on Chilling Adventures of Sabrina were the most popular version to ever appear (and about stole the show from Sabrina herself), and there's a long tradition of it. (For that matter, I gather Riverdale could provide more examples of loving the bad girls, and how those who would sanitize our entertainment are doomed to frustration.)


Interesting enough, there was me and another girl who played with boys when we were all under 10, so not much for crushes and the like. We were playing Buck Rodgers, though I did not know anything about that franchise other than what they told me that day (and still haven't seen or read anything about it to this day), and as girls we were expected to choose one of the female characters, and given 2 choices.

The other girl asked "which is prettier?" Turned out it was was the villainess, and so she took that character's role, even though it put her with the bad guys (I personally did not care and did not contest her choice). Even at that age the boys found bad girls thrilling, and I doubt it's because of the deliberate intent to make the bad girls appear more sexual (as they don't always, some can be ice queens that cover everything up, and still get the love, and I certainly don't think we as children were thinking in those terms--I wasn't, anyway).


Why? I don't know. Many don't know who wish they did as much I do. But it's undeniable, and thus what you describe with Spike does not surprise me at all.

Heck, I loved him, too, at first, not that I wanted to ship him (and I did want to see him dusted eventually, though as he was such an entertaining villain, I wanted it to be appropriately epic, applauding the character).

And it's apparent to me that the majority of Buffy fans, and that of most franchises, are shippers (not to imply just "bad boy/girl" shipping), and while there are many Spuffies who acknowledge the problems of Spike (and Spuffy), I can't recall any who fanatically defended Spike everything who wasn't a Spuffy (though that doesn't mean there isn't one, who actually thinks Buffy wasn't good enough for Spike, gods that would make me laugh, though such a person probably ships Spike with someone else).
 
The past few years I have read a « Letter »adressed to Sarah Michelle Gellar written by « SpuffyLatino » on Twitter and that message was completely disrespectful of SMG. He/she said to SMG that she didn’t show enough love to Spuffy shipper. Just because SMG had posted a pic of her and David on her Instagram. I think there is a thread here that I created because I was shocked sincerely.
This message was clearly out of line and the numbers of likes it gets is unbelievable ! So yeah all the Spuffy fans aren’t alike but sorry I must say that the most fanatical behavior that I have seen come from the Spuffy fans. It’s my experience and my truth !
 
Only on the internet.

Offhand, it seems only Spike and Buffy normally get a pass for anything and everything, though not necessarily together, one can fanatically uphold one and possibly loathe the other. (I remember being called a Spuffy once because I dared criticize something Buffy did, and I'm one of those that think Spike should be staked camp, though I will defend his actions and statements at times.)

By "normally" I mean when it happens, not that fans as a whole normally do this.

I think the few fanatics who will excuse Buffy anything probably just project themselves into her, an idealized version of their own self, and likely are hyperdefensive about themselves, too. But that's just a guess.

Willow does get an incredible pass by some (I can think of only one I'd call a "fanatic" about it, however), but she's also just as likely to be despised, like some of the favorite whipping boys. (For that matter, Spike is a favorite whipping boy for some with all the intensity of a pro-Spike fanatic as well. I think the Spike fanatics exacerbate that, likely in a vicious circle, but I don't think that's all it is.)



Read the rest only if you're genuinely curious about why Spike has many willing to excuse everything he does (even to the point of blaming Buffy for his faults) rather than just complaining that it's so. Not that I provide answers, just observations and musings.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that Spike is something of a common trope. Both Thor and Loki are hot and yet Loki gets far more love by men and women both (even despite having his butt handed to him on several occasions, just as Spike does).

I could go on about many series that made major bank, 50 Shades of Grey just one of the better known examples.

Perhaps this is because many mistake obsession for true love (I know this is true in at least a few cases, and one wrote she was mad at Buffy for "keeping Spike away from me" which meant she projected herself into Buffy, possibly because both Buffy and this fan had been abandoned by their fathers), maybe the bad boy can be more trusted (so they think) for the good sex without being judgmental about it (if the bad boys and girls violate social norms in society, then there's a good chance they do so in the bedroom as well).

And I can understand that it feels more real than the more idealized versions of romance (which border on, or are, BS in real life--though so are the tropes of Beauty taming the Beast as in later Spuffy).


There's also the disturbing phenomenon of how we as a society say we don't like psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists, and yet keep finding them hot (not just romance, also in the corporate and political fields--the latter by popular vote, and I don't mean to limit that to any one specific party or ideology, meaning the MAJORITY of people find that type of person appealing, no matter what they say, and often over identify with them, excusing them anything).

That is Spike isn't an anomaly, he's just another manifestation of something very common in the social psyche.

There's a feminist blog (don't know if it's still active and too lazy to look up that needle in the haystack) in which the writer openly stated, to her own discomfort, that as much as she criticized Xander's toxic masculinity, she actually found Hyena Xander hot, and she doesn't know why (and wishes she didn't, but has the honesty to say what she felt).

I do wish this was explored more. I think humanity needs to understand itself more if we're to survive as a species, or at least stop whining about what we always get generation after generation despite endless attempts to change it. (Perhaps it's evolutionary psychology in which the bad kinds we crave were once better equipped to survive a brutal life, but now in a society with rules we're conflicted, as the rules have changed the ancient instincts remain...and I agree with what we resist persists. Like in the Bible Belt where preachers constantly said even THINKING of sex was a sin, so what else are they going to think of when bored, especially when its a hardwired instinct anyway?)

For whatever reason, people crave people like Spike, whether they want to be him, or be his.

I don't mean everyone (certainly not me), of course, but enough that it would be foolish from a marketing perspective to ban characters like him from a story for being too problematic.

Besides, entertainment is generally supposed to be an escape from our lives, not another window of being preached at or bored with sanitized stories (and though many political and religious forces, Left and Right, have always tried to censor all forms of media, they never have more than limited and/or temporary success).

Though I can't help but be reminded of the tongue in cheek "evil attracts women like death attracts flies" in a fun song, I've noticed many men also favor bad girls (as well as non-apologetic butt kickers) over wholesome ones...even crazy ones, like after the movie Serenity came out, I saw a big discussion by men who suddenly wanted to marry the character despite how insane she was. The insane, psychopathic yandere female character of anime appeals to many guys as well despite that in real life it would be a horror story. (This isn't about the petty, vengeful types, that is the female Snyders.)

I've known men and women who preferred Faith to Buffy (though not in overwhelming numbers), at least in some ways (I think part of it is that Faith was unapologetic and "cried less" because her popularity waned with those types on Angel).

I think the Aunties on Chilling Adventures of Sabrina were the most popular version to ever appear (and about stole the show from Sabrina herself), and there's a long tradition of it. (For that matter, I gather Riverdale could provide more examples of loving the bad girls, and how those who would sanitize our entertainment are doomed to frustration.)


Interesting enough, there was me and another girl who played with boys when we were all under 10, so not much for crushes and the like. We were playing Buck Rodgers, though I did not know anything about that franchise other than what they told me that day (and still haven't seen or read anything about it to this day), and as girls we were expected to choose one of the female characters, and given 2 choices.

The other girl asked "which is prettier?" Turned out it was was the villainess, and so she took that character's role, even though it put her with the bad guys (I personally did not care and did not contest her choice). Even at that age the boys found bad girls thrilling, and I doubt it's because of the deliberate intent to make the bad girls appear more sexual (as they don't always, some can be ice queens that cover everything up, and still get the love, and I certainly don't think we as children were thinking in those terms--I wasn't, anyway).


Why? I don't know. Many don't know who wish they did as much I do. But it's undeniable, and thus what you describe with Spike does not surprise me at all.

Heck, I loved him, too, at first, not that I wanted to ship him (and I did want to see him dusted eventually, though as he was such an entertaining villain, I wanted it to be appropriately epic, applauding the character).

And it's apparent to me that the majority of Buffy fans, and that of most franchises, are shippers (not to imply just "bad boy/girl" shipping), and while there are many Spuffies who acknowledge the problems of Spike (and Spuffy), I can't recall any who fanatically defended Spike everything who wasn't a Spuffy (though that doesn't mean there isn't one, who actually thinks Buffy wasn't good enough for Spike, gods that would make me laugh, though such a person probably ships Spike with someone else).
I’ve seen plenty of ‘Buffy didn’t deserve Spike’, a few saying how awful Buffy was to ‘leave Spike in a basement’ in S7 and how she didn’t show any care for him this season - which I find baffling to be honest. YouTube videos are full of comments of ‘aww he loves her so much! She’s so horrible!’. I do like to tell myself that these people are just young teens who will eventually see how ridiculous that is though to pin it all on her
 
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong about defending or even championing a character you like, or at least explaining and contextualizing their worst actions. Both shows are full of great characters who do things that are unpleasant, sketchy, dubious or down right horrible and it can be interesting and even useful to talk through all those things and finding in-characters reasons/explanations or highlighting bad writing or whatever.
And sure, most of the characters have valiant defenders and generally there's a nice enough spread, although I think Spike/Spuffy has a sizable portion of the fandom; that's not, in and of itself, a problem.

I guess the only thing I don't particularly care for are those who defend their character's worst actions by blaming other characters for them; as an example there are the 'Buffy martyr' types who posit that Buffy can do no wrong, that she is a shining champion surrounded by 'horrid ingrates' (relatives and friends) who constantly put her down and are useless and also that anyone who has ever wronged her with so much as a crossed word is irredeemably evil. They tend to list off all the bad things that have happened to Buffy like its some sort of shield, a badge of honor meaning that she is unaccountable for any 'minor and understandable' transgression whereas actually its because she's just the protagonist, gets the most screen-time and a lot of the best hero moments.

It's like saying 'I know Angel locked those lawyers in a room to die...but Buffy stabbed him in the chest and he spend a hundred years suffering IN HELL so, y'know, he did nothing wrong' lol.
I don't find these types of fans to be any sort of problem (maybe a tad frustrating), they're more amusing than anything else.

As another offhand observation I think its weird to dislike a character simply because one-time they were mean to your favorite character, seems a bit petty and shallow.

Does being a fanatic of a character the same as being a toxic fan?

I would say there are specific differences; fanatics are generally those who have an 'intense' view of their favorite character, maybe a tad too passionate but whatever, its just words, toxic fans tend to behave in a certain way because of who they favor.
Toxic fan behavior can be seen as sniping from the comments section instead of engaging in reasoned debate, continually posting in bad faith in order to 'own' another member instead of engaging with them, harassing actors and actresses from said show online or even quote someone out-of-context and bad mouth that board members who don't like their character on other sites so they can freely engage in hate-talk about somebody for not liking the fictional character they like, incredibly ugly behavior and definitely toxic.
 
Does being a fanatic of a character the same as being a toxic fan?


Being really passionate about your favorite character or seeing yourself in them isn’t toxic however when we get to the point that we can’t distinguish reality from fiction yes. Examples of what I mean are when fans say they know it’s wrong that JM wrote a song about MT when she was a teenager but they will defend him because they love Spike or on the flip side harassing JM for assaulting Buffy in Seeing Red.

I also agree with the statement that when fans act fanatical over Buffy it’s due to over-projection. Not in itself toxic but can easily become so. These are fictional characters and they aren’t perfect ones at that, but who honestly wants perfect characters?
 
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It’s not even possible to write a perfect character. Perfection doesn’t exist in the world, not in reality and neither in the fiction. Why ? Because the notion of perfection itself is different according the people.
I think ‘perfect’ characters almost always end up coming across as smug anyway. I feel like the only character who is written to be ‘perfect’ is Sam Finn. She’s written as a badass fighter except Oo she was also in the Peace Corps! She’s confident and shows zero jealousy about Buffy/Riley’s past relationship but is also just so neaseatingly humble to Buffy ‘oh gosh darn Buffy I’m so intimidated’. She has the perfect advice for everyone apparently and her and Riley have the perfect healthy marriage. She shows why Mary Sue characters just don’t ever end up landing right

We’re clearly supposed to love Sam but really I’m just pulling the same face Willow does when she suggests disposable cameras 😂
 
The past few years I have read a « Letter »adressed to Sarah Michelle Gellar written by « SpuffyLatino » on Twitter and that message was completely disrespectful of SMG. He/she said to SMG that she didn’t show enough love to Spuffy shipper. Just because SMG had posted a pic of her and David on her Instagram. I think there is a thread here that I created because I was shocked sincerely.
This message was clearly out of line and the numbers of likes it gets is unbelievable ! So yeah all the Spuffy fans aren’t alike but sorry I must say that the most fanatical behavior that I have seen come from the Spuffy fans. It’s my experience and my truth !
This fan is crazy.
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The good news is that we will never get a Riley and Kennedy fanatic.
 
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KaitKat
KaitKat
Unfortunately actors being harassed over ships is really common and definitely not isolated to the Buffy fandom.
This fan is crazy.
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The good news is that we will never get a Riley and Kennedy fanatic.
Out of sheer curiosity I’ve just went and checked this on Twitter and crikey 😂 it all started with SMG wishing DB a happy birthday and then this fan jumps on saying it’s horrible she ‘ignores’ Spike, how she needs to resolve her personal issue with James if she has one because she mistreats Spike all the time…… 😂and repeatedly telling her she’s hurting the fandom. The lack of self awareness in some fans is genuinely astonishing
 
The lack of self awareness in some fans is genuinely astonishing

'The lack of awareness of some Spuffy fans is genuinely astonishing.'

There, fixed it for you. Because obviously what you're referring to was a specific sub-set of a fraction of the fandom that was hysterically harassing SMG.
 
Out of sheer curiosity I’ve just went and checked this on Twitter and crikey 😂 it all started with SMG wishing DB a happy birthday and then this fan jumps on saying it’s horrible she ‘ignores’ Spike, how she needs to resolve her personal issue with James if she has one because she mistreats Spike all the time…… 😂and repeatedly telling her she’s hurting the fandom. The lack of self awareness in some fans is genuinely astonishing
How did you find the tweet ? It’s about 3-4 years ago ! Two months ago I tried to find it and I couldn’t..
 
How did you find the tweet ? It’s about 3-4 years ago ! Two months ago I tried to find it and I couldn’t..
I just searched for the username the poster had mentioned alongside SMG’s Twitter username (I could be a social media detective 😂) and it brought it up. This actually wasn’t the only ‘letter’ the user had wrote to SMG to tell her she was (in their words) disrespecting the vast majority of the fandom because most fans are Spuffies and she always just spoke about Bangel. It’s all very bizarre and they seem to think she has some kind of personal vendetta against James because she never talks about him and she need to sort it out apparently. The funniest was when she tweeted David saying he’ll always be her Angel and they had a tantrum saying he was Cordy’s Angel 😂. It’s hardly surprising she no longer uses Twitter
 
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thetopher
thetopher
Wow, so many of them are utter children. 'The vast majority of the fandom are Spuffies'? That's their delusion talking.
Are Spike, Willow and Faith the only characters who contain fanatical fans who can go to great length to defend them?

Which other characters contain fanatical fans?

My personal experience is Spike and Willow. What are the other suggestions?
 
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Are Spike, Willow and Faith the only characters who contain fanatical fans who can go to great length to defend them?

Which other characters contain fanatical fans?

My personal experience is Spike and Willow. What are the other suggestions?

I would say that most characters have passionate fans but 'fanatical fans'- as you define it- are relatively few.
I would say the more popular a character is then the more likely it is for there to be a subsection of that fan base that are defined as fanatics. Also if that character is particularly polarizing in some way then it tends to make the fanaticism more common, for whatever reason; I've never seen a Riley fanatic or a Tara fanatic because they are 'relatively' straight forward, uncontroversial characters

Buffy and Angel have a few who will defend them even when they do incredibly questionable things. This isn't the same as contextualizing what they did or why they did that thing, its saying 'this character did nothing wrong here' or 'well, this other character did something similar or worse so it doesn't matter'.

I would say Wesley has some fanatics back in the day, Cordelia too.

Personally I think almost every character should have somebody in their corner, no matter how unpopular they are. I have some admiration for those Connor, Dawn or Kennedy fans whose faves have plenty of dislike thrown their way but not too much in the way fanatics, its unbalanced.

Hell, a while ago I got into the habit of sticking up for a few characters- Xander or Riley for example- who sometimes get piled on without anyone championing their point of view.


I think that should be a factor in deciding what is, in fact, a fanatical fan; are they defending their favorite because they just can't deal with somebody 'attacking' their fave, or because they feel the need to because nobody else is bothering to put forward a positive view of that character, even if that positive view is a bit too skewed to be considered strictly reasonable.
 
I just remembered a couple of songs which were about psycho-stalkers, but perceived as romantic by much of the public, even played at weddings to the shock of the songwriters...two examples that come to mind (there are others but I can't remember them enough to track them down, but seems plenty of celebrities get psycho-stalkers that can inspire their art):




In light of that, more in how it inspires wistful sighs and wishing for a relationship like that rather than disturbed (or horrified), Spuffy is pretty light!
 
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