Girl Scouts of America are Anti-hug

Don't mind hugs at all. As a little kid I was giving hugs to everyone and certainly not needing to be asked. I think I hugged my grade school teachers. I don't see any problem with it. But other people have different situations, and the Girl Scouts can say what they want. Not gonna stop buying Thin Mints because they're looking out for kids.
 
The only issue I have with this is the Girl Scouts might be teaching the girls something different from what they're learning at home. If a girl is part of a family that's very affectionate and physically demonstrative, the two different schools of thought could prove confusing. And if I were a parent, I wouldn't want ANYONE usurping my role.
 
The only issue I have with this is the Girl Scouts might be teaching the girls something different from what they're learning at home. If a girl is part of a family that's very affectionate and physically demonstrative, the two different schools of thought could prove confusing. And if I were a parent, I wouldn't want ANYONE usurping my role.
That's why the Girl Scouts are telling parents that it's wrong. They are trying to educate parents that "oh look theres gran, go give her a hug" is forcing your child into a life where they feel they are expected to put out for being bought dinner.
 
That's why the Girl Scouts are telling parents that it's wrong. They are trying to educate parents that "oh look theres gran, go give her a hug" is forcing your child into a life where they feel they are expected to put out for being bought dinner.

It's not their place to indoctrinate anyone's child. I'm so sick of this bullshit. When you over-protect a child, they grow up afraid of everything. We're going to end up with a generation of bedwetters who are too terrified to leave the house; in other words, more Democrats.
 
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Skanky Vamp
Skanky Vamp
I am a bedwetter but not a democrat.
The release suggests other ways to show appreciation without physical contact such as smiling or saying thank you

Isn't telling women to smile more also a problem, girl scouts? 😉
 
No because women are supposed to smile and look pretty. Just don't touch them.

New theme song for the Girl Scouts, "My Humps" - Black Eyed Peas

You can look but you can't touch it
If you touch it
I'm a start some drama
You don't want no drama
No no drama no no no no drama
So don't pull on my hand boy
You ain't my man boy
I'm just tryin' a dance boy



Honestly though, the underlying idea is nice. Teaching kids boundaries and respecting their bodies, but the whole thing does come across as a bit odd to me, but that's probably because it's easily sensationalized as intrusive and ridiculous. But informing parents to this perspective can hardly be harmful, it's not like they have to comply with it.
 
Professor Walsh
Professor Walsh
As far as I can see, it is a part of a "newsletter" with tips and tweaks to parents raising girls. Seeing as it's from the Girl Scouts, that makes all kinds of sense. I think they have a good point. Oh, and: Gratulerer med dagen!
But informing parents to this perspective can hardly be harmful, it's not like they have to comply with it.
Yeah, but some people don't know any better and think "Oh a doctor said this, its gotta be true" It's mamby, pamby BS. It should be IF you child doesn't WANT to hug don't force them, not stop telling them to hug all together.
 
Taake
Taake
Certainly agree with that
brinkster130
brinkster130
I wouldn’t be surprised if that was their intention...they just somehow got it all twisted up
@Mr. Pole did you even read your own link? That is exactly what it says. It does not say to teach your daughter not to hug , it says to help her find ways to express affection that are comfortable to her. It says hugs are lovely. It says teaching her consent is imperative. Who can look at the news and not see the value of that message?
 
@Mr. Pole did you even read your own link? That is exactly what it says. It does not say to teach your daughter not to hug , it says to help her find ways to express affection that are comfortable to her. It says hugs are lovely. It says teaching her consent is imperative. Who can look at the news and not see the value of that message?

It says:
"telling your child that she owes someone a hug either just because she hasn’t seen this person in a while or because they gave her a gift can set the stage for her questioning whether she 'owes' another person any type of physical affection when they’ve bought her dinner or done something else seemingly nice for her later in life." It's the equating hugging a family member to feeling obliged to have sex when they grow up.

There is nothing wrong with telling a child go hug this person or that person. They are saying there is. "Reconsider" doing that. I'm saying, no, don't reconsider doing that.
 
In Norway, we have traditionally been very non-European about hugs and touching. Therefore, when I am out teaching, I think it is very nice to see kids hugging each other. I feel very optimistic about the new generation. They are much more loving and caring than we were and definitely more than our parents were. I just wish they would not want to hug me all the time. I mean, it is fine when I am going away on my last day or if they spot me on the street after a long time, but not when I am coming into work.

As others have said, most kids enjoy giving hugs, so let them come to you.
 
It says:
"telling your child that she owes someone a hug either just because she hasn’t seen this person in a while or because they gave her a gift can set the stage for her questioning whether she 'owes' another person any type of physical affection when they’ve bought her dinner or done something else seemingly nice for her later in life." It's the equating hugging a family member to feeling obliged to have sex when they grow up.

There is nothing wrong with telling a child go hug this person or that person. They are saying there is. "Reconsider" doing that. I'm saying, no, don't reconsider doing that.
It also says
"Give your girl the space to decide when and how she wants to show affection. Of course, many children may naturally want to hug and kiss family members, friends, and neighbors, and that’s lovely—but if your daughter is reticent, don’t force her. Of course, this doesn’t give her license to be rude! There are many other ways to show appreciation, thankfulness, and love that don’t require physical contact. Saying how much she’s missed someone or thank you with a smile, a high-five, or even an air kiss are all ways she can express herself, and it’s important that she knows she gets to choose which feels most comfortable to her."
I have a niece and nephew, when I visit the niece smothers me with hugs the nephew stands back and looks uncomfortable. Ever since he was a toddler I've offered him a hand shake instead of a hug and he looks relieved. Everyone should take into consideration the feelings of the person they are interacting with, that's called good manners. And I'll lay my experience of parenting 3 children, auntie to 12, 10 years as a girl member of girl guides (our scouts) and 15 years as an adult member of girl guides next to your experience with teaching children. I rather expect to have quite a bit more experience with the matter.
 
Professor Walsh
Professor Walsh
Yes, I think the article came across as very clear.
And I'll lay my experience of parenting 3 children, auntie to 12, 10 years as a girl member of girl guides (our scouts) and 15 years as an adult member of girl guides next to your experience with teaching children. I rather expect to have quite a bit more experience with the matter.
That's kind of insulting. I mean, you really did offend me with that.
 
That's kind of insulting. I mean, you really did offend me with that.
Really? I apologize for offending you. I always thought you were a fan of the offensive. Try to think of it this way. Girl Scouts is an optional activity that many girls and women enjoy. If they want to share the opinion of a psychologist with their members because it fits with their organizations values you can choose not to participate. What's worse a group of people with shared values talking about policies they believe in or non-members who aren't involved critiquing them for what they ar trying to achieve in best interest of the girls? What's next, nobody is allowed to express their viewpoints because someone disagrees? Sad world if you ask me. GoGirlScouts!
 
TriBel
TriBel
I'd hug you but, TBH, we'd both hate it. I'm about as tactile as a plastic cup. :-)
They're saying to allow kids to do what's comfortable for them. If that's hugging, great. If it's a wave, that's great too.

But let's face it, girls are schooled to be helpful and compliant. What do they teach in every self defense class for women? “You don't have to be nice.” If someone approaches you for directions, you don't have to stop if you feel unsafe. It is combatting the same principle: if you feel uncomfortable you don’t have to go along with it.
 
Isn't telling women to smile more also a problem, girl scouts? 😉

The lesson is be polite, more so than smile to be aesthetically pleasing.

Try to think of it this way. Girl Scouts is an optional activity that many girls and women enjoy. If they want to share the opinion of a psychologist with their members because it fits with their organizations values you can choose not to participate. What's worse a group of people with shared values talking about policies they believe in or non-members who aren't involved critiquing them for what they ar trying to achieve in best interest of the girls?

This. Its optional - no one is forcing families to send the girls, its an organisation that has taught many young girls about self respect and values for decades. Girl Guides used to be a christian organisation here, under the queen and god, but it has evolved to be inclusive of all and to teach these young women they do not have live to the standards of males. The skills I learn at Guides have stayed with me life long. It is a brilliant organisation teaching wonderful skills and giving great opportunities to girls. It is not exclusive to the rich nor poor and encourages life long care for the community (ie volunteering).

What's next, nobody is allowed to express their viewpoints because someone disagrees? Sad world if you ask me. GoGirlScouts!

Unfortunately I feel we are already there. I was open about my thoughts on the recent marriage equality BS and look where that got me - cyber targeted, outcast from step-family. Same goes for spirituality, science and social beliefs. Communication makes the world go round, silencing ideas is stealing freedom.
 
The topic of respecting a child's physical boundaries has occasionally been a topic for discussion in my parenting cirlce of people. It does make sense to allow the child to choose whether (honestly, English language, this word makes life hard for non-native speakers!) they want to be physical with people or not. In my house, greeting guests and seeing them off is a must. Hugging, shaking hands or sticking to a spoken greeting or goodbye is a personal decision. Once, I remember a grandparent about to leave say: "Can I have a hug?" to one of the kids, around two or three at the time. When the boy in question declined, the grandparent said: "Then I'll just take one," and hugged anyway. The wee one threw quite the tantrum, and the grandparent stood by, puzzled, and said something like: "I've never thought about this before, but he has a good point. If I ask for a hug and is dismissed, it's not right to hug him like that." I think we should teach our children to expect that other people respect their physical boundaries, and to respect other's in turn. It just makes life easier for everyone.

As for myself, I like to hug and be hugged as long as I have a trusting relation to the other hugger. The adult-child relation is a very grey area, though. I remember going from deeply fond to creeped out by my instrument teacher back in my pre-teen years. We had a very good relation to begin with, I think he saw me as a bit of a substitute grandchild. He'd occasionally give me extra lessons on a Saturday and lend me books. With time, though, he took to bringing chocolate bars to my practice lesson and offering it in a playful "I'll trade it for a hug". Today, nearly thirty years later, the thought of his nicotine-stained fingers and the hugs makes my skin kreep a little. I wish, back then, that I had had the integrity to realise that no, I did not want those hugs.
 
@Professor Walsh

Yes, I read that article. It made me so happy to read that the students rebelled 😀 Kids nowadays seems to be so much warmer and open to each other than my friends I were growing up. I think it is a really nice things. Teaching makes me very hopeful for the future.

On the flip side, I have no patience for adults who insist on hugging children. We are there for the kids, not the other way around. It is insane how whiny some teachers can be. Seriously, old people are so much worse than teens and tweens.
 
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