white avenger
white avenger
If Spike had actually gone to Africa at the end of Season 6 to get his chip removed, as we were misled into thinking that he was doing, how differently do you think that Buffy would have treated him in Season 7?
"Giving The Slayer What She Deserves"
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WakingNightmare
The Dandy Lions
Gotta agree with Kean. Her duty as the Slayer would come first, her feelings for Spike would come after.
PrincessBuffy16
Scooby
Yeah, I think she would stake him. I don't belive she developed any hard big feelings for him so far, so I don't think that would be a problem.
VisionGirl
Newly Human
Especially after the AR, and "waking up" from her depression, yes I think she wouldn't have put up with BS in season 7.
StarSlayer
Defender of Spuffy
Am I the only one feels like they weren't misled into thinking Spike wanted the chip removed, lol? He could already hurt Buffy. He didn't need the chip removed to "get what she deserved."
Anyways, back to the topic at hand, lol. If Spike really went to Africa to get the chip removed rather than get his soul and then came back to Sunnydale, I don't think Buffy would have wanted to kill him right away. She didn't even want Xander to go after him, after the bathroom scene. Maybe in time, but I think there's so many factors to consider. Like, I think it would also depend on what Spike did and felt like when he returned, and how Buffy would react to that.
Anyways, back to the topic at hand, lol. If Spike really went to Africa to get the chip removed rather than get his soul and then came back to Sunnydale, I don't think Buffy would have wanted to kill him right away. She didn't even want Xander to go after him, after the bathroom scene. Maybe in time, but I think there's so many factors to consider. Like, I think it would also depend on what Spike did and felt like when he returned, and how Buffy would react to that.
Yeah, but hurting/killing Buffy is a lot different than going out and killing all her friends and family and leaving little bits of them in gift boxes on her doorstep.
I did think that Spike was on his way to get the chip out, so I was completely surprised when he got his soul. I may have screamed so loudly I woke my sister. Just saying.
But if this was Spike's plan, then Buffy would have done the only thing she could.
She would have staked him.
She might have had feelings for Spike, I would never deny that, but you have to remember that this is the same girl who sent Angel to hell when his soul was intact. Just because she loved someone doesn't mean she wouldn't kill them if the fate of the world and the people she loved depended on her doing that.
And if Spike's plan WAS to get the chip removed and he succeeded, you know the first thing he would have done was go after her friends and family, with Xander being at the top of the list. As StarSlayer said, he could already hurt Buffy, and Angelus raised him to cause as much hurt as possible.
I think Buffy would've given him a choice: stay and I will kill you or leave and never come back. Either way, I doubt she'd want him in her life. It would've been competely and utterly over, him removing the chip would've sealed the deal.
Tillow4ever
I like that deal
He's good little demon all on his own, he didn't need Angelus' help or encouragement, anymore than Angelus needed Darla's. Spike certainly didn't require help when he killed two other slayers.
I think at the core of this issue is the fact that Buffy would have no longer been able to justify Spike's existence. if he was back to being a serious threat and given how badly housing him turned out, even when he was muzzled, I can't imagine any situation where he would have been allowed live, soulles and chipless.
Although I do agree with you a bit StarSlayer, I think Buffy would wait until Spike did something before she acted.
I agree that she wouldn't have done anything until he actually killed someone, someone she knew or not. I think it's the same as 'Smashed'. He found out he could hurt Buffy, and he immediately went out to find someone to kill. If Buffy had met him in that alley and realized he was killing again, there would have been no sexy times. Just a lot of dust.
StarSlayer
Defender of Spuffy
Yet, would Spike have really killed Buffy's friends and family? He was in love with Buffy this time. It wasn't like s4. So much had happened since then.
That's a good point. I'm wondering though. Time was of the essence when Buffy had to kill Angel. If she didn't, the world would have ended in a matter of minutes, maybe seconds. With Spike, I wonder if Buffy would have tried to stake him right away. Like I said, I think it may depend on what Spike did when he came back.
That's the thing. I don't know if Spike really would have gone after Xander and everyone else, if the chip got removed. Of course Xander implies that in "Seeing Red," but I don't know if it would have been that simple.
Like the OP said, initially, we were all led to believe that Spike was on his way to have the chip removed. We were thinking that he wanted to hurt Buffy. She rejected him, told him she hated him, told him she didn't love him, we didn't know what he was thinking, but I came to the conclusion that he wanted to hurt her. He could already do that physically, chip or no chip, so, to REALLY hurt her, he would have to after the ones she loved.
S
StarSlayer
I guess I can see that, but I still don't know if Spike would have.
This in itself is troubling but it is the darker, less savoury side of Buffy's unrelenting belief in the people she cares about.
I actually think Spike would go straight for Buffy herself. His approach was always more direct, he wasn't about the games like Angelus. I don't think breaking her spirit would add any extra spice to his destruction of her. I'd think he'd much rather a proper scrap. This time to the death. Just to be done with the whole thing.
The Unspoken
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Spike attempted to kill people as soon as he thought the chip didn't work ('Smashed') or when he found a loophole ('Crush'). And why shouldn't he? He's a demon; he likes to eat and kill people and the fact that he loves Buffy and would do anything for her certainly isn't a detriment to that.
But then he wouldn't need to have the chip removed to do that. So the whole double bluff thing wouldn't make much sense if we weren't supposed to believe he wouldn't go after her friends.
Although, I suppose, if he had no chip, then killed Buffy, he would be free to just disappear and live as a proper vamp. Alright, I concede to your point!
StarSlayer
Defender of Spuffy
ITA (yet, even in "Smashed," he questioned himself). I just feel by this point, if we're referring to everything that happened in s6, I don't know if Spike would have been in the same position.
Totally didn't think of that.
He was always so crap at going after her friends though. I find it hard to believe she'd fall for that.
And just when I thought that whole season couldn't have anymore plot holes...
white avenger
I ALWAYS wear my Spuffy colored glasses. They help me to see past all of the Bangel propaganda.
WakingNightmare
The Dandy Lions
Just pointing it out, in the episode Dead Things he could've drained Katrina's body but he didn't. Well, I assume he didn't, as the police guys never mentioned anything about her blood being drained.
I can't see Buffy not staking Spike. She was willing to kill Anya, as it was what she had to do, to be the Slayer.
Buffy wouldn't have wanted to do it and she'd probably put it off for a while or even try and convince him to get far, far away from Calfornia so she wouldn't have too but that's what it'd come down too. Buffy had lost a great deal of her carefree innocence by S7 and as you can see from the Anya situation, she can turn of how she feels for people in order to her job.
PassionBecoming
Minuscule Redheaded One
Obviously, he didn't go seeking to get his chip out so he could hurt Buffy - he wanted to hit her where it hurts. He left in a state of rage and hatred. I think if Buffy saw him afterwards and he showed his true colors, she would stake him. If he came back and didn't do anything harmful, she would leave him.
I haven't watched that ep in awhile, but I always thought that Spike went looking to get his chip out, but instead that demon said "Bahaha, you should have been more specific. Have a soul, SUCKA!" I am getting a feeling from some of these posts that he specifically went to get his soul back?
I haven't watched that ep in awhile, but I always thought that Spike went looking to get his chip out, but instead that demon said "Bahaha, you should have been more specific. Have a soul, SUCKA!" I am getting a feeling from some of these posts that he specifically went to get his soul back?