Have your shipping tastes changed?

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I do believe I've staked Spike at least nine times in my Fics now :D
And even then he was still a better match than Spike...
Well, anyone was a better match than Spike...😉


My re-write would be different - no ridiculous 'Riley seeks out vamps to bite him' story. The focus rather is on his identity after The Initiative and feeling adrift. The conflict being 'should I stay or should I go' (ask The Clash!) and having Buffy and Riley tackling that issue together.

I could definitely see Riley being part of the Scoobies and Briley being end-game.
 
Well, anyone was a better match than Spike...😉

I starting trying to create a list of people who would be better for Buffy than Spike, but it grew so long I made one of people who would be worse. After eliminating Dawn and Joyce (I would say that would be automatic, but fanfic disagrees!), the list is as follows:
  1. Caleb
  2. Okay, haven't managed to come up with any others...

My re-write would be different - no ridiculous 'Riley seeks out vamps to bite him' story. The focus rather is on his identity after The Initiative and feeling adrift. The conflict being 'should I stay or should I go' (ask The Clash!) and having Buffy and Riley tackling that issue together.

I could definitely see Riley being part of the Scoobies and Briley being end-game.

Riley's seeking out vampires makes little sense unless it is part of Spike's plot to destroy Buffy's existing relationship, like every good incompetent suitor (one of the defined types of stalkers; Spike's stalking changed, at times being rejected stalker, intimacy seeker and predatory stalker as well, but it was always stalking that even continued into Angel S5).

Riley certainly could have been treated much better and I know the writers were annoyed at being forced to destroy his character thanks to Spuffy wannabees which is why he was doing so well in S6.
 
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Your 'Worse list' had one more person on it than mine ;)
My view has changed on Cangel. I used to dislike them because I’ m a Bangel shipper and it was difficult for me to see Angel with another woman than Buffy. Nowadays, I still ship Bangel but I have grew to accept the idea of them not being together and being happy with someone else. They are together, fine. They aren’t together it’s also fine as long as I validate their new relationship. And I Know it’s unpopular but I love Cangel and I validate them. Really the writers completely messed up a great relationship.
I was similar, still hardcore Bangel, but hated Cangel. Now I see Cangel as a situationship that worked for both of them for a little while, so I wont hate on that.

Oddly, I never hated Spuffy like I did Cangel. Spuffy just seemed like a summer fling to me and I had no problem with Buffy having that outlet. I just didnt want Angel to get it with Cordelia. They were almost a skewed reflection of each other. Buffys influence reforms the bad vamp, Angels influence reforms the Bitca.
 
I starting trying to create a list of people who would be better for Buffy than Spike, but it grew so long I made one of people who would be worse. After eliminating Dawn and Joyce (I would say that would be automatic, but fanfic disagrees!), the list is as follows:
  1. Caleb
  2. Okay, haven't managed to come up with any others...
I look forward to seeing this list when you have more time to think on it! 😉

Riley's seeking out vampires makes little sense unless it is part of Spike's plot to destroy Buffy's existing relationship, like every good incompetent suitor (one of the defined types of stalkers; Spike's stalking changed, at times being rejected stalker, intimacy seeker and predatory stalker as well, but it was always stalking that even continued into Angel S5).
It does make little sense. See also - Oz's silly exit from the series and the Veruca storyline.

Riley certainly could have been treated much better and I know the writers were annoyed at being forced to destroy his character thanks to Spuffy wannabees which is why he was doing so well in S6

They caved to some vocal Spuffy fans, ruined Riley's character, and then in some part, damaged the show by following through with with their 'relationship'.
 
Not really, I like shipping and make no excuses for it.

I often like couples that other deem as boring, like one of my forever favorite ships are Allison and Joe from Medium. I just love them.
I'll never be much for shipping the real bad boys or girls. Like I'll never really ship Cordelia with anyone, because I think Cordelia is a bad person from start to finish of the shows, and they never "redeem" her into a decent person in my eyes. Even if I think her flirting with Doyle is cute, she remains Cordelia and that is my stumbling block to shipping her with anyone. I'll never ship someone with Damon from TVD either, he sucks all around.

Though sometimes within the verse I'll change my shipping opinion. I used to like Luke and Lorelai on Gilmore Girls, but felt like the show from season 6 and on showed why they were actually a bad couple, so by the reunion series I rather hoped they would break up.

But I understand why they didn't. I too enjoy shows where characters "end up" together, even when it makes little sense. Like Carrie and Big in Sex and the City, I just enjoy the happy ending and am pleased to leave it at that. Even if I didn't love the pairing all the much.

As for shows like X-files, I would definitely say that I ship Scully and Mulder, but not in a way where I need them to be together. However, having been watching it now, it is clear from season 1 that they play into "shipping" (even if it wasn't really a term before them, I believe), with lingering shots of them whenever they touch in anyway. Like a hug, or holding hands. It is small stuff but sprinkled in and seems very deliberate to me, so I can't resist it. Even if I think it is better kept in the background for a show like that. And it is a bit annoying by season 5 when they put it into practice to put Scully in danger or illness in order to get a reaction out of Mulder, you notice it more when you watch it all in one go, as opposed to once a week on tv. But obviously, their chemistry is part of the show's success.

So in general, I think I'm more the set in stone type.
 
Time changes all, for me. Like, I never used to ship Wesley and Lilah, and now I do. My love for Cordelia and Xander has only grown with more watches. And, perhaps most importantly, I wouldn't call myself a Spuffy shipper anymore. Don't get me wrong, I still like the pairing, I can still see the draw for others, but I'm personally just not that invested anymore. Nowadays, I hope Buffy doesn't end up with anyone we saw her date on the show; she deserves a fresh start!
 
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I did find it touching that Wesley tried to burn Lilah's contract to free her spirit from the Senior Partners.
I like ships that deal with life problems more nowadays like Veronica/Archie and Burke/Cristina. None of the Buffyverse ships were really about a couple trying to live a life, Xander and Anya were the closest to doing that but they aren't a normal couple because of Anya.

I still identify as a Bangel because they're the most compelling love story on the show. But the main thing I loved and still love about the show is Faith 😍
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But I understand why they didn't. I too enjoy shows where characters "end up" together, even when it makes little sense. Like Carrie and Big in Sex and the City, I just enjoy the happy ending and am pleased to leave it at that. Even if I didn't love the pairing all the much.

Did you watch And Just Like That?
 
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Yay! Faith!!
Not even Anya/Willow?
WANYA FOREVER!!!!! 😀
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Riley's seeking out vampires makes little sense unless it is part of Spike's plot to destroy Buffy's existing relationship, like every good incompetent suitor (one of the defined types of stalkers; Spike's stalking changed, at times being rejected stalker, intimacy seeker and predatory stalker as well, but it was always stalking that even continued into Angel S5).
Another excellent explanation of a very complicated psychological problem. 😃

Spot on about Spike as well.
 
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WANYA FOREVER!!!!! 😀

I had never considered Anya and Willow until you mentioned it, wrote a ficlet because of it and had an, um, unexpected, reaction. Now I like it... for reasons having absolutely nothing to do with the show.
 
I love shipping, I always have. I have always loved romantic relationships, and I think that in today's age of "strong female characters" we've become a bit snobby/condescending towards romance. This whole notion of "a woman must be independent without a man" to be a strong character baffles me. Yes, its a good thing for a female character to be independent and "strong" but having or wanting a romantic relationship doesn't lessen that. That's why whenever fans praise the "Cookie Dough" speech as being some huge feminist moment, I don't really buy into it. Yes, it's good for Buffy to know who she is by herself, but we also know that if she could, she would be with Angel in a heartbeat, and I don't think that lessens her character in any way.

Nehoo, I got off on a tangent. My shipping preferences have remained largely the same, in the Buffy fandom and outside. I will never stop loving Bangel and the tragedy of their love. Cordy/Xander will always be a missed opportunity. Fred and Gunn should have been endgame.
 
Faith and Gunn would be a match made in, well, L.A., which is not heaven, but they had an instant attraction when Faith asked Gunn how he was in a fight and the said, "I hold my own." and Faith replied "That's a shame." We all knew what that meant. But it never happened! That was a missed opportunity.

Anya and Wood was actually not a bad pairing, but it seems that the most likely to succeed romances are the shortest.

In Tabula Rasa, we got Ganya, Giles and Anya, with Anya thinking she and Giles were engaged and being perfectly happy about it, at least until the spell wore off. That didn't even last a full episode.

But the "standard" romances like Bangel and Spuffy were kind of dull.
 
....In Tabula Rasa, we got Ganya, Giles and Anya, with Anya thinking she and Giles were engaged and being perfectly happy about it, at least until the spell wore off. That didn't even last a full episode.

The problem with assessing how good that relationship would be is that no one has a background at this point. No personal knowledge at all. They seemed fine with each other... for an hour or so.

You want a scary thought? Suppose Warren had been there and caught in the spell. It's likely that he would get along fine with everyone...at least at first.

So I'm not sure we can use that episode as a good example of what relationships might or might not work.
 
Did you watch And Just Like That?

Oh gosh no, that franchise is just milking it now. I know what happens with Big and Carrie though, and I’ve seen that the Bridget Jones franchise also jumped on that forced storyline.
 
Oh gosh no, that franchise is just milking it now. I know what happens with Big and Carrie though, and I’ve seen that the Bridget Jones franchise also jumped on that forced storyline.

The storyline being "The Quest for More Money"? That appears to be a very common storyline across multiple franchises.
 
The storyline being "The Quest for More Money"? That appears to be a very common storyline across multiple franchises.

Pretty much, a.k.a, the ”kill the love interest so we can force new/old romantic interests to appear because only new relationships are interesting and we need to squeeze more money out of this franchise”
 
Pretty much, a.k.a, the ”kill the love interest so we can force new/old romantic interests to appear because only new relationships are interesting and we need to squeeze more money out of this franchise”

I cannot help but feel there is some faulty logic in that! I do think a lot of IP owners are making some serious mistakes with their franchises at the moment. This may not have an immediate negative effect, but a long term one.
 
As you probably know by now I have a thing against any Human/Vampire relationship. The whole premise of the show was 'She alone should keep humanity safe from Vampires & icky monsters.' Therefore Vampire bad, stab with pointy stick!
In all the times I have watched the show , or parts of, since, I don't think my views have changed at all really.

Vampires aside, I never really got on with most of the main Male characters. Oz was ok, but chronically underused. Xander's Character got more annoying & Red-Flagie as the series went on. That only really left Captain cardboard & Giles.
So never even considering becoming a Bangelite or Spuffling I had to look elsewhere for a ship to stow away on.

Then came S3, where Faith appeared & made that suggestive action with the stake as she handed it back to Buffy in her first ever scene..... Hellooooo Fuffy!

That said, one early ship stood out.
Spike & Drew - Spike was a much better character in the early seasons where he was hooked up with Drew. She was made as a bag of spanners, but he understood her & really seemed to care for her in his own way. I really felt they spoiled his character when the last two seasons became the 'Spike the Slayer layer show' & Buffy was relegated to 'Love interest' & the rest of the scoobies were warped beyond recognition.

Anyhoo
Apart from my hopeless devotion to the chosen two, most of my ships were of the 'Friendship only' persuasion.

Buffy & Tara - In the later seasons when Buffy's world was collapsing around her, Tara was the only one who seemed to understand what she was going through. The two of them made a connection through a common loss when Buffy lost her Mom. I just wish their friendship could have been explored more.
And no, Spike didn't understand, he recognised a weakness & exploited it for his own gain!

Giles & Joyce - Not so much romantic but more a shared role as Buffy's parents. Giles was more of a Father to her than her real dad. I think the writers could have done a lot more with them as friends with a common goal rather than force a romantic pairing (Because he's old & it's gross apparently?) 😉

Oz & Cordy - Please, hear me out! This is one pairing I've though about often, but never attempted to introduce into a fic. They are complete opposites in the early seasons. His mind is a whirlpool of thought but he rarely speaks & considers his words carefully. Cordy says exactly what is on her mind, no thought, no filter.
I think the two of them would be great for each other. Cordy might get Oz to open up a bit more, & Oz might just get Cordy to sometimes think before opening her mouth?
Actually, probably not, but think of the fun the writers could have had if they found a way of making those two have to work together a lot more?

And finally...
Dawn & Faith - Yes really! This is one friendship I've explored more than once. I believe that Faith's 'Tell it like it is' trait, & her past experiences would cause her to hammer home what Dawn's acting up could result in if she landed in trouble with the law, or if she triggered an investigation into Buffy's ability to act as her guardian.
On the other hand, Dawn could show Faith what it's like to be a kid. Faith probably never had someone to play video games with or just hang out & listen to music.
I could see them becoming good friends......and just think of all the trouble those two could get into together? 😀

Ok, so that was more than I intended writing here, but hey.
Oh & one final pair. Xander & Riley, the two members of the 'Why doesn't Buffy love me?" club. 😉 😀
 
NotASlayer
NotASlayer
Buffy's taste in men is a convincing argument for being gay... :D
Taake
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What did I just read 🤣 *clutches pearls*
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