How do you feel about Faith?

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How do you feel about Faith in the tv shows BTVS and AtS? (not the comics)
Do you have a favourite season of Faith or a favourite episode?

I loved her from the start. The good girl with a bad streak and then a bad girl, and then onto evil Faith, and then to a Faith that completely turned around and became a good Faith better than before. Fighting the good fight. Trying to save Angel as he had saved her, and working along side Buffy. I loved watching the development of her character on both shows and her interactions with the others.

I can't personally pin point a fav season but I do love Five by Five and Sanctuary.
 
I think Faith is a great character. I love her development over the years but I think she was a better character on Angel. Her story to me is similar to Angel in that no matter how much good they do, they'll always be seeking redemption. They also rely heavily on a pillar of support. I believe that Cordelia was Angel's and Angel was Faith's. She really came into her own with Angel and the gang and seemed to fit in effortlessly. They were also a lot more forgiving. I could ramble about this all day considering how fresh it all is in my memory.
 
Love her. She's amazing, such a great character.I love that from Faith, Hope & Trick to Sanctuary, we learn more about her. Definately in my top 10 buffyverse characters.

Favourite Faith- centric episode: Five By Five
 
I absolutely love Faith. Like [MENTION=208]Nix[/MENTION], I loved her from the beginning. She was the anti-Buffy, and she was so interesting to watch as she struggled with finding her place and trying to fit in, and then rebelling against it all.
I loved Bad Faith and I also love the new reformed Faith. She's still got her edge...
 
I think Faith is one fo the most interesting characters established in the Buffyverse.

I loved her storyline, of a bad kid called to do good, wanting to do good, then getting jealous of what Buffy had and being manipulated by a father figure and joining the other side.

I think she's one of the deepest and richest characters we were given.

I love any and all storylines with Angel and Faith, the two are perfect together, friends, not really cuz they are friends but because of a similar history they share and seeing parts of themselves in one another, wanting to fix that part.
 
BuffyElevated
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Well said!!
I think she's one of the deepest and richest characters we were given.

Pretty much exactly what I think, which really highlights how much they underutilized her. Seriously, she could've had so much more to contribute...

Faith is my favorite character in the Buffyverse. That being said, here's a short version.

I didn't like Faith right off the bat -- what bothered me at first was the fact that everyone else liked her right off the bat (outside of Buffy), which is something that always sets off an alarm in my brain. A Mary Sue-ish trait, really.

By the end of Revelations, that was completely gone, and I felt terrible at the end of that episode. And the end of Bad Girls. And Consequences. And especially Graduation Day Part 1 -- I thought that Buffy had killed her, and I thought that the character deserved better than that -- I didn't want her to die, since even though she was definitely evil at that point, I wanted to keep her character around. So, the fact that they put her in a coma... well, I knew she was going to be back.

Then her arc in S4 Buffy/S1 Angel is pretty much perfect -- I think Five by Five is the best episode across both series (A Hole In The World is probably second when I think about it), and if I go into detail about this... well, I'll be here forever.

I'm going to stop myself -- someone once asked me who was my favorite Buffy character and why, at which point I wrote a 1700 word essay about it. At some point, I might revisit that essay and talk more about it -- it was written in a hurry and before I'd seen S4 of Angel, so I didn't have the entire story at that point yet.

But yeah, I love Faith -- favorite Buffyverse character... in case you couldn't tell from my avatar and such.
 
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Faith is one of my favorite characters in the Buffyverse for several reasons, not the least of which is the old Avis Car rental Agency's theme: "We're Number 2, so we have to try harder. It always seemed to me that Joss gave Buffy all of the glory and saved all the crap for Faith, and, in the end, she still keeps right on slugging away. Okay, there was that time with Mayor Wilkins and the aftermath in Season 4, but none of that even holds a candle to some of the stuff Willow, Angel, and others have done and gotten away with, with little more than a "Sorry about that. I'll try to do better from now on." At least she submitted herself for trial and punishment, and would have stayed there if Angel and his crew hadn't screwed up. Again.

Something else that has always interested me about Faith is how much we DON'T know about her. We know that she had a less than pleasant home life, was a high school drop out, and that she was forced o watch her Watcher be literally torn to pieces.We didn't even know her official last name until just a few years ago.

Then there is her separation from the group. As hard as she tries, Faith just never has been accepted into Buffy's group. At best, she's the extra muscle, available to get the jobs done that no one else wants to do.

Faith has always seemed to me to be the character who gets a whole lot less appreciation than she deserves, as well as being way less developed than she should have been. It's a shame that Eliza opted to do "Tru Calling" rather than "Faith, The Vampire Slayer," because I think that the fans in general would have come to know and appreciate her character a lot more.

Also, we would have had a chance to see her work with Spike in Season 2, when he moved over from the then cancelled Season 5 of "Angel." They would have made a great team for the ensuing 10 seasons.

And I also think that Spaith would present a great potential for an ongoing sub plot
 
Faith is one of my favorite characters in the Buffyverse for several reasons, not the least of which is the old Avis Car rental Agency's theme: "We're Number 2, so we have to try harder. It always seemed to me that Joss gave Buffy all of the glory and saved all the crap for Faith, and, in the end, she still keeps right on slugging away. Okay, there was that time with Mayor Wilkins and the aftermath in Season 4, but none of that even holds a candle to some of the stuff Willow, Angel, and others have done and gotten away with, with little more than a "Sorry about that. I'll try to do better from now on." At least she submitted herself for trial and punishment, and would have stayed there if Angel and his crew hadn't screwed up. Again.

I agree on the point about Willow (I don't see the correlation to Angel at all), but Faith does some pretty heinous things herself, let's not just whitewash that away. I mean, she had full knowledge of exactly what The Mayor was planning to do: End the world. She kills more than one person too, that's another thing that kind of gets forgotten.

Did you mean Buffy's team? Because on the whole I thought they treated Faith (understandably) pretty harsh, while Angel went more than out of his way to help her, when all things considered, he probably had more reason than anyone (other than Buffy) to want her dead. And, to be fair to Angel, he had zero knowledge that Wesley and company would plan on breaking Faith out of prison. Aside from the general fact of "breaking out of prison is bad", they did kind of make the right call. Faith is a totally different person by then, a much better person (well, until the beginning of S8, when she's just crazy and alone again...for no particular reason). Still, I suppose logically they should have called Sunnydale for help first. I still don't see how you can lay that on Angel though. In terms of monumental screwups, they're more than a few points ahead of the Scoobies.

Now that I think about it though, if we traded Angel for Faith when Angel locks all the lawyers in the room, would we have forgiven Faith as fast? I don't know. That's a tough question.
 
Faith does some pretty heinous things herself, let's not just whitewash that away. I mean, she had full knowledge of exactly what The Mayor was planning to do: End the world. She kills more than one person too, that's another thing that kind of gets forgotten.


Now that I think about it though, if we traded Angel for Faith when Angel locks all the lawyers in the room, would we have forgiven Faith as fast? I don't know. That's a tough question.

We could devote an entire thread to just why Faith did what she did in Season 3. And while I'm in no way saying that the Scoobies actually drove her over to Wilkins' camp, I'm of pretty much the same opinion that Angel had the next year. There was still some good there to be reached if someone just worked hard enough to reach it. Of course, hindsight is always better than foresight, and since Faith actually did come back into the good guys fold, it's easy to say now that we actually knew it all along.

But I knew it all along way before Angel did.
 
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I always liked Faith. I felt like when we saw Faith again in season 4 that she'd grown a bit while being in Jail. I'm not sure what my favorite Faith season or episode is. I liked that she kind of had this badass , rebellious-ness that Buffy didn't have.
 
I think she's a great character. Her introduction in the series was great, and her use in Season 3 to show Buffy the 'path not taken' was awesome. Although I thought she was at her best when she was starting to show remorse for the bad choices that she had made, and began to redeem herself.
 
I think that, given that she's only in what a season and a half of Buffy, (plus 6 eps of Angel) that she's one of the richest and most complex characters on the show, easily.

I tend to like all versions of Faith- from Slayer ally to psycho villain to reformed villain- Eliza is having such fun with the character. 🙂

In a weird way I consider Faith as a role model, no matter how badly you screw up (and she screwed up badly.) there's always a way back, a way to overcome what you've done and become a better person. It's a good message, and a common theme on both shows but Faith's is the most perfectly realised example of it.

Also, like Angel, I think she's still got that badass/dangerous edge even when she's fighting the good fight. 🙂
 
To put it simply, I love Faith. She's tied for favorite character, and her character arc is my favorite of the entire verse (with Wesley's coming second).

She's probably the character that I could write the most about, so I'll abstain since no one wants to read a novel lol.

[MENTION=12614]thetopher[/MENTION], I couldn't rep you but I completely agree, I sort of view Faith as a role model also, which is a bit weird to say considering the things she'd done. But the way in which I connect to her feelings, and her redemption storyline is one of the best I've seen, I can't help but to look up to her somehow. In a way, she's a reminder of what not to become, and how easily one can go down a path under bad circumstances. Faith feels like an alter ego, someone that anyone could become, but someone that we need to steer away from. And in the end, Faith is able to steer away from darkness herself. It's not like she should receive a prize for being good (and even she makes that explicit), but I still have admiration for the way she overcame hardship.

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Forgot to add, my favorite ep of Faith is Bad Girls
 
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Faith is my favorite character in the Buffyverse. Faith, Hope Trick was one of the first episodes of Buffy that I saw and got hooked mostly because I loved the character of Faith. I wanted to be like her, sexy, bad ass, and kick ass, but that's just not me. She has a great story arc that comes full circle. I love her relationship with Buffy and Angel.

Favorite season, S4btvs/S1angel. Favorite episode is Sanctuary, I just love the scene on the roof with her and Buffy.
 
I loved Faith because she was so different from Buffy and quite similar to Angel. She was edgy, tough, funny, and a bit scary, but every time she had an episode I always thought they were so good. And to think that one bad deed could send her over the edge, like Angel, always made me wonder what happened to her after both the series' ended. Good thing she has a comic series 🙂
 
I have complicated feelings about Faith.

I don't agree that she was a "good girl first then went bad" or that "she wanted to do good originally, then turned bad". On a superficial level she seemed that way, but after scrutinizing her a bit I came to the conclusion that, from the moment she arrived on the show, she was more into herself and pleasure than anything else. She wasn't originally performing slayer duties because she appreciated the good it did. She did it because she got off on it. She would say all the time that killing vamps "got her juiced" and she tells Buffy things like "Tell me you don't get off on this!" and "Slaying is what we were built for. If you're not enjoying it, you're doing something wrong." She never said anything about feeling good that killing vamps was doing a good thing for society or innocent and helpless people. It was really more about the pleasure of it all than anything else. And it was this feature about her that convinced me that she was really never good in the first place. I don't consider someone good if they are a slayer simply for the pleasure (and at bottom that's what it was about for Faith in the beginning, pre-reform). I consider that person a simple pleasure-seeker, a hedonist if you prefer.

Add on top of that that she is always (especially in the beginning) choosing fun and play over everything else, including slayer responsibilities sometimes, and I had a strong reaction of dislike towards her originally. She was all about dancing with an endless line of random guys at the Bronze and other places, she was always thinking about sex (she would say things like "God, I could eat a horse. Isn't crazy how slayin' just always makes you hungry and horny?") and hitting on every guy she met (including Giles, if you remember, the first time they met too). I don't know.......I just had a strong impression of her in those early days that she eschewed responsibilities for a life of carefree fun and gratification, and that she did slaying for all of the wrong reasons really (she got off on it). When, early on, Buffy's friends took to Faith I felt bad for Buffy. Sure, Faith upon first meeting seemed like the kind of person we would all like to be around, and she appealed to everyone's desire to have more fun, but Buffy was unquestionably the better person, if you ask me. She might have been less fun sometimes (because she appreciated the responsibility of her calling and took it seriously, more or less) but she was a better person by my analysis. Faith was more fun, but ultimately she did everything for herself, she was basically selfish: she was selfish because she didn't like serious responsibilities (because it detracted from her care-free and fun-searching lifestyle) and she was selfish because the reasons she performed and enjoyed slaying at all was because she got off on it, because it "got her juiced"; in other words, she did it for personal gratification/reasons and not for any selfless reason, like because it was the right thing to do. She never once said slaying was good for anything else, not once, even when Buffy would chime in that they were doing the world some good.

So yeah, how did I feel about Faith early on? I didn't like her, straight up. I didn't like her at all. And I never really thought of her as truly good either. Which made the whole "Faith was good and then fell from grace" kind of nonsense to me.

And yeah, I understand she had a horrible past and childhood, a horrible father, etc. But I'm evaluating her and providing my impression of her from the first time we actually meet her on camera. There were obviously reasons for why she was bad, but let's be clear, she was bad (in the beginning). Or at least, not good (in the beginning). Maybe bad isn't quite the right word to use either...maybe base would be a better word. Faith was base. Her way and attitude and mentality was base, vulgar, whatever you want to call it.

Yeah, I got to say I didn't like her at first. And she reminded me of similar selfish pleasure-seeking people I'd met in real life too.

After coming to terms with her bad (or rather unhealthy) self and attitude, I definitely liked her a lot more. She realized her attitude and lifestyle was a bad one during the body-swapping episodes. You could see during her conversations with Buffy's mom (while she was in Buffy's body) and with other people she was getting defensive about herself when people would treat her (while in Buffy's body) with the love and respect that the real Buffy always received and deserved. She could feel the goodness that a respectable and responsible life well-lived earned, and she got defensive. You could tell that Faith was having to finally confront the fact that she made the wrong choices in life, that she lived life selfishly, etc. The Faith/Buffy body-swapping episodes were brilliant. It was a brilliant way to expose to Faith the inferiority of her lifestyle and selfish attitude by being forced to live in the skin of Buffy, who was everything that she wasn't. Of course, Buffy isn't a perfect person, but that wasn't the point. Faith could finally step outside of herself and see herself objectively for what she really was, she could see (by way of comparison with Buffy, with whom she could experience from the inside out and see all of the love and gratitude she received for the lifestyle and attitude she had chosen) the errors of her way. The final blow came after having sex with Riley (as Buffy). Riley didn't want to use Faith (as Buffy) for sex, Riley loved Buffy. He made love to Faith (as Buffy). That was something that she had never experienced before, and it shook her. She wasn't the kind of person that at that point was capable of love (or being loved). Faith had always looked at sex as mere gratification, and she enjoyed it in a purely selfish way, her needs being the only priority, and so forth (see her one night stand treatment of Xander for one example). But Riley showed her what it meant for someone (through sex) to actually care for someone else in a meaningful way. Experiencing actual real love helped crack Faith even more, to the breaking point.

And then the final confrontation between Buffy/Faith happens and Faith loses it, beating Buffy (in Faith's body) and while she was on top of her and beating her she said things like "you're nothing, you're disgusting" over and over again. Faith finally broke: she wasn't calling Buffy that, she was calling herself that (literally beating her own face up).

And then she breaks down further on AtS with Angel and she hits bottom...and the rest is history. She climbs herself out and makes significant changes. At that point, I liked Faith. I felt sorry for Faith before all of this (in the beginning) but I didn't like her. Not until after she made some...realizations about herself. I liked her a lot in Angel S4/Buffy S7. In a way, a few of her features remained the same, but obviously a lot more had changed for the better. I haven't read the comics yet but I like Faith at this point.

Sorry, I am rambling on way more than I should, but I got started and so I felt I had to go ahead and finish it.

So yeah, to summarize, I didn't like Faith much early on but obviously as she changed for the better I found myself liking her more and more. But I definitely didn't like her in the beginning. At most, I felt sorry for her a little.
 
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I disagree, but as the previous post is so long, I will have to post when I have the time, although I think topher, and others, will pick up the argument
 
Where does it ever indicate that Faith slays only for the fun of it? So Faith enjoys the slaying, so what, it turns out so does Buffy. Shock horror.
Now of course Buffy denies that she enjoys it, but as the seasons go on it becomes more and more obvious that she does. Her little quips at the vampires expense as she kills them? She enjoys, on some level, killing them.
Faith is just more in touch with her slayer nature (because she really doesn't have anything else.) and realises that their is darkness in their power, she embraces it. Buffy only realises a lot of this much later on S5/6, ut even when Faith says these things to her they hit a nerve, because there's some truth there.

This doesn't make either one of them evil.

Faith loses control because 1) She loves it too much and has little else in her life. 2) She has zero guidance from any authority figure. 3) She has trust issues and a standoffish attitude.
Some of this is undoubtable her fault, but to say 'she was bad when she shows up' implies that she was always gonna turn out the way she did, which is not only patently false, it misses the point of one of the key arcs of the season.
'The road not taken'- i'e choice.
Saying Faith is 'born bad', well, I've actually never heard anyone make that argument before.

I mean, I have to say I'm biased. I liked Faith from the beginning and liked her more when she reformed, but it does sound like you might be projecting just a little onto the character, but then, I guess everybody does that, its why we all have favourites I suppose. 🙂
 
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