Kid Giles vs Real Giles

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There aren't so many jokes that can be told about kid Giles being horny, so I don't know what can possible be done with the character from now on.

But I like kid Giles, and I think Giles needed a reboot, after all his past actions.

In S6, he leaves when Buffy needs him most, using the excuse that she must learn to deal with things by herself; another father who abandons her, instead of staying, be a man, tell her to grow up - and be there for her.

In Season 7, Giles betrays Buffy as a person, and doesn't respect her neither as a Slayer nor as a leader, plotting with Wood to kill Spike:

Lies My Parents Told Me

GILES: Buffy... I-I understand your anger. Please believe me, we did what we-
BUFFY: He's alive. Spike's alive. Wood failed.
GILES: Well, that doesn't change anything. What I told you is still true. You need to learn-
BUFFY: No, I think you've taught me everything I need to know.

In Season 8, Giles leaves Buffy to work with Faith, not a favorite person of hers:

No Future For You

BUFFY: So you... decided to start... your own evil Slayer club? Why am I not surprised?
FAITH: I'm on your team!
BUFFY: You have a hilarious way of showing it. I can't believe I ever thought you changed.
FAITH: It ain't like that! Your Boy Giles sent me, you know... undercover!
BUFFY: You're lying! Giles never trusted you any more than I did.

– and he uses the Slayer (who had been struggling with her dark side not so long ago) to achieve his goal: to get rid of evil (but very human) Slayer Genevieve Savidge.

FAITH: You can skip the friendly uncle routine. I ain't your beloved Buffy, I'm the go-to girl for dirty deeds done dirt, right? So what do you need me to kill?

Then, he dies. And leaves all his possessions to Faith (except for the Vampyr Book, of course), while Buffy has to work as a waitress to afford... living.

Well, for me, he really did need a reboot.
 
gite63 said:
There aren't so many jokes that can be told about kid Giles being horny, so I don't know what can possible be done with the character from now on.

But I like kid Giles, and I think Giles needed a reboot, after all his past actions.

In S6, he leaves when Buffy needs him most, using the excuse that she must learn to deal with things by herself; another father who abandons her, instead of staying, be a man, tell her to grow up - and be there for her.

In Season 7, Giles betrays Buffy as a person, and doesn't respect her neither as a Slayer nor as a leader, plotting with Wood to kill Spike:

Lies My Parents Told Me

GILES: Buffy... I-I understand your anger. Please believe me, we did what we-
BUFFY: He's alive. Spike's alive. Wood failed.
GILES: Well, that doesn't change anything. What I told you is still true. You need to learn-
BUFFY: No, I think you've taught me everything I need to know.

In Season 8, Giles leaves Buffy to work with Faith, not a favorite person of hers:

No Future For You

BUFFY: So you... decided to start... your own evil Slayer club? Why am I not surprised?
FAITH: I'm on your team!
BUFFY: You have a hilarious way of showing it. I can't believe I ever thought you changed.
FAITH: It ain't like that! Your Boy Giles sent me, you know... undercover!
BUFFY: You're lying! Giles never trusted you any more than I did.

– and he uses the Slayer (who had been struggling with her dark side not so long ago) to achieve his goal: to get rid of evil (but very human) Slayer Genevieve Savidge.

FAITH: You can skip the friendly uncle routine. I ain't your beloved Buffy, I'm the go-to girl for dirty deeds done dirt, right? So what do you need me to kill?

Then, he dies. And leaves all his possessions to Faith (except for the Vampyr Book, of course), while Buffy has to work as a waitress to afford... living.

Well, for me, he really did need a reboot.
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You left out what Giles did in Season 5 of "Angel," refusing to allow Angel to get in contact with Willow when Illyria's spirit was consuming Fred, and very likely intentionally misleading Angel and Spike into believing that Buffy was in Rome, hooked up with the Immortal.

I can't help but wonder if, when Giles is once more restored to his actual age (which is a near certainty, in my opinion) he will revert to his old self, or if what has happened during his "dead" time, and his revisited adolescence, will actually change his prospective and way of working with Buffy and the others.
 
white avenger said:
You left out what Giles did in Season 5 of "Angel," refusing to allow Angel to get in contact with Willow when Illyria's spirit was consuming Fred, and very likely intentionally misleading Angel and Spike into believing that Buffy was in Rome, hooked up with the Immortal.

I can't help but wonder if, when Giles is once more restored to his actual age (which is a near certainty, in my opinion) he will revert to his old self, or if what has happened during his "dead" time, and his revisited adolescence, will actually change his prospective and way of working with Buffy and the others.
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Why would any of it change him? If anything, I'd be willing to bet he goes back to dead at the end, along with Dawn.

I don't think we're seeing much of a character in 12 year old Giles. It seems he's in part just Andrew and the inroads to awkward jokes and situations.

Giles didn't need a reboot. He needed his own series. He doesn't need the Scoobs and they don't need him.
 
I think that Giles as a teenager is about turning Giles, the father figure into Giles, the friend ( because Scoobies do not need Giles to be a father figure anymore ) and as such it is a success in my opinion. Teen Giles had some awesome scenes with Xander and Willow that would have never happened with the old, tweed-clad librarian Giles and there's no coming back from that - the old Giles is truly dead.
 
gite63 said:
I'll be very surprised if that happens...
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Me, too, but only because of Gage. The guy's a walking afterschool special. There is no sense of gravity to anything in his work. Partly because he lacks guts, partly because there's no foundation to his pathos.
 
NothingVentured said:
Me, too, but only because of Gage. The guy's a walking afterschool special. There is no sense of gravity to anything in his work. Partly because he lacks guts, partly because there's no foundation to his pathos.
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But how much power does Gage have to make big changes - kill a character or make one of them leaving the Scoobies, for instance?

I remember Gage saying that at the end, the Scoobies will split, or something like that; I wonder if the newly bromance between Xander and Angel happened because Xander will move to London next season. When they had that conversation about how to deal with guilt:

XANDER: Y'know, I bet they have good therapists in London-
ANGEL: Got a lot of churches, too.

I had the impression that Xander was talking about therapists for himself, not Angel, like thinking go over there... If things don't work with Dawn, I believe he would want it even more...
 
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gite63 said:
I remember Gage saying that at the end, the Scoobies will split, or something like that; I wonder if the newly bromance between Xander and Angel happened because Xander will move to London next season. When they had that conversation about how to deal with guilt:
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That might be a hint that there is the idea of dividing everyone into smaller teams. For example, Angel and Xander, Faith and Illyria, Giles and Andrew, and maybe Satsu's coming back to hook up with Willow. With Buffy and Spike staying together, that presents the possibility of 4 possible groups, either each with their own unique story lines, or all working on an interlocking goal, such as rescuing Dawn after some super powerful Big Bad kidnaps her.

That could present the possibility of a new edition Buffyverse comic coming out every week.
 
gite63 said:
But how much power does Gage have to make big changes - kill a character or make one of them leaving the Scoobies, for instance?

I remember Gage saying that at the end, the Scoobies will split, or something like that; I wonder if the newly bromance between Xander and Angel happened because Xander will move to London next season. When they had that conversation about how to deal with guilt:

XANDER: Y'know, I bet they have good therapists in London-
ANGEL: Got a lot of churches, too.

I had the impression that Xander was talking about therapists for himself, not Angel, like thinking go over there... If things don't work with Dawn, I believe he would want it even more...
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He has the power to pitch it to Joss and get the OK or not. Like Spuffy. I assume at some point he asked if he could kill Whistler last season. Assuming Joss is still majorly involved. Perhaps it's unfair, but he's worked on A/F, the Willow mini and now S10 and his stories always lack a sense of danger, instead favoring a more comfy feel. Fine, to a degree, but at some point there needs to be some oh noes, even if they're short-lived.

I really doubt they'll put Xander in London. DH has sales to look at and Angel and Xander is unlikely to move books when teaming him with Faith didn't.
 
i dont think giles abandoned buffy in season 6, but rather he needed to let her grow up. it was in his nature to take care of her, and if he stayed with her, she would always go to him, and he couldnt resist to oblige, as seen in OMWF when he tried to make her be independent, but changed his mind like five minutes later. it would be nice to see the roles reversed and rather have kid giles be friend giles, but have giles be a son and buffy take on more maternal responsibilities. i think watching a development like that would show more growth in buffy's character. just a thought.
 
amberjane said:
i dont think giles abandoned buffy in season 6, but rather he needed to let her grow up.
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Yeah, but I think the time wasn't right for him to leave. Buffy already had the responsibility of saving the world; then, suddenly, she looses his mother and gains a kid sister. And worst of all: she was pulled from Heaven and was back to this hell of life. As an adult, Giles should be strong enough to put boundaries, while staying close in order to be there for Buffy. Giles took the easy way out, IMO.
 
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