last episode of Angel what a bad ending

They had every intention of bringing Buffy into this episode, the sole reason they didn't was because Sarah was unavailable. I think she was filming The Grudge.


No no, she was availiable for the last episode, but Koss didn't want her in it. They did want her for The girl in Question, but she was to busy and couldn't do it. But she was free to do the last episode, but they didn't want to make it all about Buffy!
 
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No no, she was availiable for the last episode, but Koss didn't want her in it. They did want her for The girl in Question, but she was to busy and couldn't do it. But she was free to do the last episode, but they didn't want to make it all about Buffy!

Hmm maybe you're right, it's been a while since I've read about it, but I thought they wanted her for both. But I think she could have come into the last one and help without taking the spotlight, Angel didn't take the spotlight when he crossed over in season seven. 🙂
 
No no, she was availiable for the last episode, but Koss didn't want her in it. They did want her for The girl in Question, but she was to busy and couldn't do it. But she was free to do the last episode, but they didn't want to make it all about Buffy!

Good job SMG was busy for TGIQ isn't it otherwise Joss' plans for the comic wouldn't have worked.

Wait, you mean Joss didn't have the comics already planned out and his motivation now could be trying to win fans back?!?!?!
 
Good job SMG was busy for TGIQ isn't it otherwise Joss' plans for the comic wouldn't have worked.

Wait, you mean Joss didn't have the comics already planned out and his motivation now could be trying to win fans back?!?!?!

Personally, I don't love the idea of the season eight comics because season seven brought a perfect amount of closure. I honestly think the show ended where it needed to and there is no need for a comic season, unless he's just trying to make more money. The fun was imagining what was going to happen next, and well, now you don't really have your imagination anymore because there's a canonical answer.

Although my negative outlook on the comics could possibly change if I ever decide to read them.
 
BEG is correct with the SMG issue. Joss never intended for Sarah to be in the final episode but he had tried to have her appear in TGIQ which, as we all know, wasn't possible.

As for the comics and whether they are necessary or not, you could say that after writing The Hobbit there was no need for Tolkien to go any further with the tales of Middle Earth, but I'm really glad that he did. I reckon it's best to leave it to Joss to decide when it's right to end the story and if he thinks there is more to tell then that is good enough for me.
 
Yeah Buffy definitely should not have been in the last episode. They spent 5 seasons of Angel trying to seperate it from Buffy. Having her in the big fight at the end (or in the episode at all) would destroy all the work they did to make it its own show. Like Angel cant do anything without Buffy or something.
 
Yeah Buffy definitely should not have been in the last episode. They spent 5 seasons of Angel trying to seperate it from Buffy. Having her in the big fight at the end (or in the episode at all) would destroy all the work they did to make it its own show. Like Angel cant do anything without Buffy or something.

You still hear the argument that David was willing to make time to be in the last episodes of Buffy, yet Sarah couldn't make time for Angel, which annoys the hell out of me.

For one, the character of Angel was a massive part of BtVS. There was good reason to have him return for the end. Buffy had very little to do in the story of Angel once he got to LA. Having her part of the final episode would have been like saying "well, this show was only ever a spinoff of BtVS anyway and needs Buffy around to give it closure". Totally unfair to the cast of the show when they had done such an amazing job of giving the show a voice of it's own.

Regarding the issue of making time, many fans forget that whilst it was great of DB to appear in Buffy, it wasn't as if he had a long way to go to make the effort. He was still filming Angel at the time and therefore he was very much available. SMG was filming a movie in another country at the point she would have been needed for the Angel finale, not to mention her having a family situation going on that she had to deal with around the same time. Hardly the same simple matter of changing sets from Angel to BtVS.

I just think that there are some fans (not in this thread, by the way. I'm talking generally here) that don't really get the reality of an actor's life and that it's not always as simple as they want to think.
 
In my opinion having Buffy play a large role in the finale episode would have been a huge mistake, but I also think not including her at all was a mistake too. I loved LOVED that last episode (btw I just watched it today. I've been a huge Buffy fan since it came out but I stopped watching Angel after season 3, just got too wierd for me. I just recently rewatched season 1-3 and for the first time wateched seasons 4 and 5. 5 was easily the best season, but I digress and I'll talk more about that in another thread.) Yet despite how much I loved the episode I have to say my first reaction after it ended was "THAT'S IT??!!" And the cheesey "Thank You" at the end was lame, save that for dvds. Anyways, here's my perfect ending:

Angel says his final line "Let's go to work" and they pan out to show a women behind them in the dark. You can tell she has blonde hair but you can't see her face. She yells out "Hey boys, are we too late?" Behind her emerges her army of slayers. Cut to angel and spike smiling, and then the whole group charges into the battle.

Some variation of that could have been amazing. And you wouldn't even have needed SMG for it, all you'd need is 10 seconds of her voice and they can get that anywhere. I dunno, that way the battle would have seemed a little more fair, Buffy is kinda involved, and we have hope that they survived. Because let's face it, we all know they died. There was no way they were walking away from that army. And it's sad, I feel like just letting them all die is kind of disrespectful to the characters, especially Spike. I feel like if they were going to drag him back it should have been more meaningful, not just to kill him again a few months later.

Anyways I still loved the last episode, minus the last 5 seconds, it had comedy, tragedy, and a somewhat sense of closer (again, minus the last 5 seconds). I hope Joss gives us a hint in the Buffy comic as to what happened to these guys. Damn, that was a long post.
 
Angel says his final line "Let's go to work" and they pan out to show a women behind them in the dark. You can tell she has blonde hair but you can't see her face. She yells out "Hey boys, are we too late?" Behind her emerges her army of slayers. Cut to angel and spike smiling, and then the whole group charges into the battle.

What an idea, and original too.

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Could someone pass me the cheese grater.
 
Because let's face it, we all know they died.

There is no way they died, the fact that Joss was trying to do cntinuations of the series useing the characters of Spike and Illyria, says that they didn't all die. He's also said that if the show continued Gunn would have been a vamp (Didn't he?) and Illyria and Fred where gonna be seperated personalities in the same body - That kinda says to me that they survived!
 
Relax, moonbeam, I was just saying your idea is cheesy.

Actually it makes me a little nauseous to think that in the end Angel has to be rescued by some skirt and her band of bleeders.
 
I think some kind of resolution to Angel is still on the cards... i hope... on some very small cards in a draw somewhere.. I just don't see them leaving Angel standing in the alley about to fight a dragon forever... I hope 🙁
And While it would be cool if Buffy somehow stepped in to help them out, I guess it would be better if they did it themselves.
I loved the cliffhanger ending anyway, it was kind of a slap in the face for the WB for cancelling their no.1 show for that year, plus it was good to show how Angel just keeps on fighting (as do the fans).
 
i hope they make and Angel season 6 comic, or resolved the ending in buffy season 8 or something.
 
Come on best line ever " I want to fight a dragon "!

I liked it better than the final episode of Buffy. Because at the end of Buffy they ask "what are you going to do now"...the end of Angel is just let's keep going!

And I'm pretty sure they all die...well probably. Can't wait for the Season 8 Buffy comic.
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remember though...Season 8 can't resolve the ending of Angel because Season 8 will be going on while Angel is running Wolfram & Hart! it will be cool to integrate that stuff though!
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remember though...Season 8 can't resolve the ending of Angel because Season 8 will be going on while Angel is running Wolfram & Hart! it will be cool to integrate that stuff though!
 
I don't necessarily think the last episode was a bad ending. I mean it ended the way Joss said the basic premise of Angel was no matter what they are going to keep fighting and really that's how it ended, with them fighting. Also you have to take into account that for the most part they didn't really expect Angel to be cancelled, which is really the only reason they killed Wesley off cause they knew they weren't coming back so they might as well had killed somebody and Wesley was the best one because of the whole Illyria/Wesley scenes. But yeah I don't think it was a bad ending, and it still upsets me that the show was cancelled, cause I would've liked to see more of Angel and Spike with them both being soulled vampires and more of Illyria and how being in human form will affect her more and more each day
 
At first I had the feeling that all of us fans were short changed with that ending.Yeah it left us with alot of unanswer questions. but I too had to rewatch it to end up likeing it. I know its funny feeling one way then changeing my mind on it now.:lmao:
 
The ending was appropriate for the circumstance in my opinion.

It was kinda like saying to WB and the world "Wanna know what happens next? Well tough because we got canned."
 
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