Buffy supporting Spike murdering a human if Wood tries to kill him whilst not allowing Willow to murder Warren for the same reasons? Yeah I'd say that's pretty bad of her character. Giles and Wood going behind Buffy's back, yeah pretty nasty. Spike being an utter jerk, again not his brightest moment. I didn't see any redeeming qualities about any of them at all in this episode.
Wood/spike wasnt the same as Willow/Warren.
buffy didnt want spike too kill Wood, she said if Wood tries to get in their way again and try to kill Spike, then she aint gonna save him.
Yeah he's Spike but it was still vindictive and nasty, wether anyone expects for him to be this way it doesn't change the fact.
Who cares, you dont have to be nice all the time.
He didn't know Nikki. He knew nothing about her at all. Never in the series had a slayer's duty been perceived as a game, far from it. Nor for that matter a taking of a human life. If it was just a ‘game’ than the whole theme of redemption in Ats is pretty much absolved.
Um, it was the game to a vampire.
For anyone with any set of morals or any goodness, there isn't much of an option. Buffy's considered it plenty of times but people's lives depend on her and in the end that isn't an option for her because she's a good person. From what we saw of Nikki I see no difference.
Yeah but most slayers dont have kids. Mabye if Buffy had one
she'd consider doing the right thing.
So he's got a soul? Angel called his soul his 'human heart' a soul is 'humanity.' He isn't just a vampire. Just compare how Spike acted to Wood in comparison to Angel regarding Holtz. Angel defended himself but he still apologised to Holtz because he knew the death of Holtz family was not a game. Just because Spike is a vampire doesn't mean he should be nasty anymore than Angel should be. They both have souls, both have humanity in them and both know the difference between good or bad.
I wish you'd stop comparing Angel and Spikes situation. Angel only apologised because Holtz asked him. and it still didnt change anything.
Spike said sorry, Wood thought Spike said it to him, and got annoyed, got more madder(Before Spike said i wasnt talking to you) Wood wasnt as calm and in control as Holtz was, Spike couldnt just say, 'oh, by the way, im sorry...''.
Spike had to be harsh and beat his ass, thats the situation Wood put them in.
I really don't think that's an excuse for a vamp with a soul or without a soul. Just because someone may expect him to be nice doesn't change anything. He was still nasty and can be called out on it, regardless of wether you expect it or not. When Angelus killed Jenny we weren't supposed to sit through 'Passion' shrugging our shoulders saying "what do you expect he's a vampire?" we were supposed to feel sympathy for Giles, sadness for Jenny, anger at Angelus ect. Not be so desensitised throughout the whole situation. Since when has such a cold, impersonal outlook ever been encouraged from the series in the past? It’s always been about the drama, the human emotions.
Em, i assume When Angelus killed jenny, most people felt sympathy and saddness. But also, what do YOU expect from
Angelus? He IS a vampire, its what they do.
so you can shrug your shoulders at Angelus, AND feel sympathy for the rest, it aint like you have to choose.
When Spike in no way shows he's much different from that monster at all, Wood had every right to discount Buffy.
Oh, so Spike 'in no way shows he's much different from that monster at all'? Except that for the last couple of years he's pretty much been a scooby, helping fight against evil!
Wood had seen plenty of Spike before LMPTM, he knew Spike wasnt the same monster.
Knowing Spike's a danger as long as the First has a trigger but doing nothing at all to fix this problem isn't ignorant? Buffy's feelings clouded her judgement throughout the entire season. Even Spike knows he should leave in 'First Date' because the First admits to Andrew it has plans for Spike but Buffy orders him to stay. Why? Not because he's her best fighter but because, as she says "she's not ready for him to not be there." The mission was NOT what mattered when it came to Spike, she had double standards for him throughout the entire thing. That episode proved that.
If Spike had mummy issues throughout the entire series I'd agree. But it was a problem created out of nowhere and I don't see it as worthwhile because of this. The fact the entire point of Wood’s character was to fix a problem Spike had that was only created in one episode for this episode is pretty lousy IMO.
Well, Spikes always had women issues, so maybe the mother issues could be connected.
Buffy's "I believe in him" would have done jack if it wasn't for Giles though. Buffy made no efforts to fix his trigger, only Giles did and if it weren't for Giles the trigger wouldn't have been removed. Fine, Buffy believes in him but nor she or Spike had any control over his actions when the trigger kicked in, and we saw how much of a threat he was when that happened. Buffy can believe in him all she wants but if we left it up to her devices in that season, the First wouldn't allowed Spike to help like he did in 'Chosen.' It would have activated Spike's trigger again and that would be that.
Buffy didnt know how to fix the trigger. Giles is much better at that stuff, its why he's there, he does that stuff and the fighters fight. Pretty lame point there.
Buffy was pretty ignorant not to make any significant attempts to fix the problem and remove the trigger. She was also extremely ignorant to brush Giles off when he even wants to talk about the problem as well. If the mission is what mattered, Buffy would have sat down and put her feelings for the guy aside, she would have looked hard and close at the problem, realised what a danger triggered Spike was to the girls she was supposed to be protecting. But she didn’t.
