That's not necessarily to say that I hated Spike or anything, just that from Buffy's perspective, I don't quite understand why she was so willing to look the other way.
Things don't always have a simple answer. It was obvious she had feelings for him. Her feelings were contradictory. She was disgusted with him, yet at the same time, she felt the desire to keep him around. She was willing to forgive Spike for what he did because she knew how absolutely awful he felt about it. She knew he was trying to change, and she wanted to support him in that.
And she OBVIOUSLY has feelings for Spike. First off, she said so in Seeing Red. Buffy's word is final. Second, she's said in S7 that the only person she can trust who's watching her back is Spike. They're quite plainly best friends and were there for each other well no one else was. She defended him and helped him even after he'd been killing again, and took ridiculous risks to help save him. She trusted him indefinitely, and told him she loved him. So I think it's pretty safe to say she had MORE than just feelings for him.
Agreed. There isn't always a "logical" reason for why someone has feelings for someone. Buffy "felt" for Spike, as she told Angel. She believed in him. In his capacity to change. She believed in his humanity.
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BUT STILL: Although I was supportive of Spike, I never understood why he chose to hurt Robin by saying that his mother,Nikki, didn't love him. That is not true. A slayer is a calling, a destiny, you can't quit, you can't stop. Like BUffy said in Helpless, she knows too much.
So, according to Spike, Nikki would prove that she loves her son if she quit and let people die at the hands of vampires??? I didn't like that statement at all.
Yeah, I always had a problem with the whole interaction between Wood and Spike, too. Spike was wrong. There was no way he could have known if Nikki had loved her son. Spike was egging Wood on, psychologically messing with his head, in order to get him angry. On the other hand, Spike owed Wood nothing in my opinion. He was right when he said that's how the game was played. I agree with Buffy that Wood was seeking revenge on a person that didn't exist anymore. Spike had a soul and was no longer evil. He was being controlled by The First, just like Angel had been in S3, and it wasn't his fault. Spike asked Buffy to kill him for what he'd done, and she refused.
Anyway, I don't think Slayers should have kids. Perhaps this is the "moral" of this whole story. It just doesn't work.
Giles is not excused for lying to Buffy but he did what he thought it was right. Like Wes did with Angel's son.He thought he was protecting Connor but he was terribly deceived.(Wes needed a good ass-kicking after that IMO,anyway)
I'm going to have to disagree here. Maybe this is what I call my Wes-Bias coming out, but I don't think he deserved Angel attempting to strangle him in his hospital bed for what he did. He stole Conner because he was trying to protect Angel from doing something he'd regret. And he more then made up for it when he brought Angel back from the ocean floor and kept him alive by feeding him his own blood, if you ask me.
And I don't think you can compare what Giles did in LMPTM to what Wes did with Baby Conner. With Giles, he not only lied to Buffy but he tricked her into his fake "patrolling" scheme in order to give Wood time to kill Spike without her interfering. He knew how much Spike meant to Buffy, and he blatantly betrayed her trust. Giles intentions were not for Buffy's benefit, as Wes' were for Angel's. Wes took Conner because he honestly thought that Angel was going to kill him. And Wes knew that Angel wouldn't be able to live with himself if he did that.
And now I come to Buffy...after season 5 I don't really understand Buffy anymore. She is admirable that she forgave Spike for the AR, because that was the demon not the ensouled Spike. But how can she excuse him for everything he did? She calls Andrew a murderer for killing Johnathan and she doesn't do the same about Spike when he killed those girls. They were both deceived by the First.
Remember what Anya said? About Spike's Get of of jail free card? Spike get's a pass. It doesn't make sense, but it just is. Spike's actions get excused because Buffy had
feelings for him. Love is not logical, my friend.
What does "I'll let him hill you" mean??? She seems to be way too harsh now. I understand that she has to be strong cause she faces a primal evil and an army of Turok-Han vampires, but she NEVER wanted to sacrifice anyone before. In "The Gift" she said that if someone hurt Dawn, she would kill that someone. Now she is willing to sacrifice a friend or family.
What she means is that if Wood tries to kill Spike again, she won't interfere and she'll allow Spike to kill him. It's out of her hands, in other words, it's their fight not hers. She wasn't being too harsh. Wood, a person she had trusted, had deceived her and failed to tell her about his past with Spike and what he had done to his mother. Yes, her unwillingness to allow Dawn to die in 'The Gift' is a similar situation as to this. Buffy NEEDED Spike, just like she needed Dawn.
Angel also had a soul and it took some time for her to trust him completely. She was in love with a vampire and despite the fact he had a soul,he was still a vampire. Even if she has feelings about Spike and cares about him(I don't buy the whle feelings part however) why Spike is never to blame?
Again, Spike is "never to blame" because Buffy loved him. Plain and simple. We make allowances for those we love.
