i was thinking of being lorne for halloween. and was looking to see if any one had tips and tricks on pulling this off. i'm not going with the red contacts. and i think i'm going to buy close enough horns and paint them. but i was think his hair. i dont want to dye my hair but maybe just use that spray in color. but not sure how it would look? maybe wear a hat so the cant see i didn't frost my tips? i have black hair by the way. to finish the look i was looking at goingg to the thrift store to find a suit? i'm not sure lol if anyone has suggestion i'm listening thanks john
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There is this stuff you can put in your hair that not only spikes it like a gel, but adds fun colors:
http://www.manicpanic.com/dhgels.html
http://www.manicpanic.com/dhgels.html
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Lorne's make-up is a tough one to start with and you are doing it last minute by the sounds of it so your problem is at least two fold.
For years I would alway's be approached by people at the last minute to do make-up for them, be it for theatre or just for Halloween, so I'm going to pass onto you a little advice that I alway's shared with those people:
If you want it done right you should alway's plan well in advance so it can be everything you want it to be.
Now I realize we are in the month of October here and your time is short so here is my direct advice to you:
This year, the day after Halloween, start planning your next years make-up and costume. NO JOKE...do it. You and everyone around will be much happier you did.
Since it's so late in the game this year I would advise cutting all the corner's you can.
You have black hair already? it should be a cake walk to frost the tips with some spray on Red or If you can find it, Rust color and you'll have Lorne's hair once it's all spiked out.
The horns can be shaped up easily enough out of super-sculpey and then, after they are baked and hardened, sanded or filed into a closer shape. Two tips for working with Super-sculpy for what you want:
Once you get the horns about the shape you want them, take and gently press each one against your forehead in the places they will go later when they are hard, Then bake them.
Don't over bake your sculpey. I find 20 minutes at 150 degree's to be sufficient. This will allow you to add more sculpey if you want and re-bake later.
If you burn them, you gotta start over so take it slow and do it right the first time.
Once the horns are done they can be pre-painted and set aside for later application.
Before you start your application you should wipe your face down with alcohol to remove as much grease and oil as you can from your skin.
Now you are ready to put down your guide lines for your later horn application.
Take each horn and hold it to your fore-head where you want it to go and with the other hand and a green make-up pencil, draw a circle around it. Set the horns aside again.
Lorne's make-up is all about texture and variances of color and also differs greatly from early season's to later.
Decide which season Lorne you are doing and get as good and close a photo of him from that season and tape it up next to your mirror where you will be applying your make-up.
Lorne's colors are wide and varied so purchase your colors after identifying as many of them as you can in your photo.
Off the top of my head I can say your going to need some base color Green and lot's of it.(don't forget your hands and behind your ears!)
Also a lighter and a darker green for highlighting and shadowing and all those wonderful spots that go up and down the sides of his face, neck and fore-head. I'm pretty sure there are some yellows in there too and some burnt reds.
When the make-up application is complete make sure and powder well.
Apply your powder liberally to your sponge and double it over itself and rub the sponge together which crushes the powder crystals and makes it spread better.
If you can, roll the powder on don't pat it on and get everything covered well.
After the powder has set for a while you need to take it off.
That's right! When the powder has soaked through the oils in your skin and set the make-up as close as it can you need to remove it because it's done it's job.
Eyeliner is the very last thing you'll be doing so you shouldn't have to worry about anything running when you go to remove the powder with water.
For powder removal I find some kind of good spritzer is in order.
Take a paper towel and have it at the ready.
Spritz your face liberally and DON"T SCRUNCH UP YOUR FACE!
Relax and just let the water spritz run down your face and then use your paper towel in a rolling motion to remove the moisture along with the used powder...DON'T RUB IT OFF...roll or pat if you must.
You will find that not only are you refreshed from this powder removal but your skin is cooled and the colors that you applied so carefully have now popped back to their original vibrancy.
Lastly, if you are concerned about the make-up getting rubbed off at all, you can use Ben Nye's FINAL SEAL which is a matte sealer that will set the make-up. Apply this too with a spritzer if you can and again Dab or pat it with a sponge to cover your whole face and hands.
Now, in the next year you can get an early start by finding someone who knows what they are doing and get a good life cast made for your self on which you can sculpt Lorne's face (his face was one big appliance).
You should also consider getting contacts made as they REALLY tie a make-up together. I highly recommend looking at http://www.9mmsfx.com/index2.html
as they can make contacts for you from a picture! They did this for me for my Angelus Make-up and it was a life saver as they weren't just yellow as you would think, I found a very close picture of Angelus' eye's and they had an extra ring of orange around the outside!
Anyway, there's some BASIC suggestion's for you to get started on.
Just think what you could accomplish in a year?🙂
Good luck and post some pics when you are done!
For years I would alway's be approached by people at the last minute to do make-up for them, be it for theatre or just for Halloween, so I'm going to pass onto you a little advice that I alway's shared with those people:
If you want it done right you should alway's plan well in advance so it can be everything you want it to be.
Now I realize we are in the month of October here and your time is short so here is my direct advice to you:
This year, the day after Halloween, start planning your next years make-up and costume. NO JOKE...do it. You and everyone around will be much happier you did.
Since it's so late in the game this year I would advise cutting all the corner's you can.
You have black hair already? it should be a cake walk to frost the tips with some spray on Red or If you can find it, Rust color and you'll have Lorne's hair once it's all spiked out.
The horns can be shaped up easily enough out of super-sculpey and then, after they are baked and hardened, sanded or filed into a closer shape. Two tips for working with Super-sculpy for what you want:
Once you get the horns about the shape you want them, take and gently press each one against your forehead in the places they will go later when they are hard, Then bake them.
Don't over bake your sculpey. I find 20 minutes at 150 degree's to be sufficient. This will allow you to add more sculpey if you want and re-bake later.
If you burn them, you gotta start over so take it slow and do it right the first time.
Once the horns are done they can be pre-painted and set aside for later application.
Before you start your application you should wipe your face down with alcohol to remove as much grease and oil as you can from your skin.
Now you are ready to put down your guide lines for your later horn application.
Take each horn and hold it to your fore-head where you want it to go and with the other hand and a green make-up pencil, draw a circle around it. Set the horns aside again.
Lorne's make-up is all about texture and variances of color and also differs greatly from early season's to later.
Decide which season Lorne you are doing and get as good and close a photo of him from that season and tape it up next to your mirror where you will be applying your make-up.
Lorne's colors are wide and varied so purchase your colors after identifying as many of them as you can in your photo.
Off the top of my head I can say your going to need some base color Green and lot's of it.(don't forget your hands and behind your ears!)
Also a lighter and a darker green for highlighting and shadowing and all those wonderful spots that go up and down the sides of his face, neck and fore-head. I'm pretty sure there are some yellows in there too and some burnt reds.
When the make-up application is complete make sure and powder well.
Apply your powder liberally to your sponge and double it over itself and rub the sponge together which crushes the powder crystals and makes it spread better.
If you can, roll the powder on don't pat it on and get everything covered well.
After the powder has set for a while you need to take it off.
That's right! When the powder has soaked through the oils in your skin and set the make-up as close as it can you need to remove it because it's done it's job.
Eyeliner is the very last thing you'll be doing so you shouldn't have to worry about anything running when you go to remove the powder with water.
For powder removal I find some kind of good spritzer is in order.
Take a paper towel and have it at the ready.
Spritz your face liberally and DON"T SCRUNCH UP YOUR FACE!
Relax and just let the water spritz run down your face and then use your paper towel in a rolling motion to remove the moisture along with the used powder...DON'T RUB IT OFF...roll or pat if you must.
You will find that not only are you refreshed from this powder removal but your skin is cooled and the colors that you applied so carefully have now popped back to their original vibrancy.
Lastly, if you are concerned about the make-up getting rubbed off at all, you can use Ben Nye's FINAL SEAL which is a matte sealer that will set the make-up. Apply this too with a spritzer if you can and again Dab or pat it with a sponge to cover your whole face and hands.
Now, in the next year you can get an early start by finding someone who knows what they are doing and get a good life cast made for your self on which you can sculpt Lorne's face (his face was one big appliance).
You should also consider getting contacts made as they REALLY tie a make-up together. I highly recommend looking at http://www.9mmsfx.com/index2.html
as they can make contacts for you from a picture! They did this for me for my Angelus Make-up and it was a life saver as they weren't just yellow as you would think, I found a very close picture of Angelus' eye's and they had an extra ring of orange around the outside!
Anyway, there's some BASIC suggestion's for you to get started on.
Just think what you could accomplish in a year?🙂
Good luck and post some pics when you are done!
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Thanks HisMrs! 🙂
Then I went and forget the step where the horns are applied!
It's kind of a no-brainer but they would go on after your base color is applied.
Hopefully you left those two circled area's on your forehead clean of any make-up. If not you can go back in with a little alcohol and swab them clean. Alcohol comes in different percentages and I usually go with as high a percentage as I can find, something above 70% though is best.
Let's talk make-up grade adhesives for a moment...
There is of course spirit gum and it comes in a few different grades but I normally shoot for the darkest brown spirit gum I can find like Mehron which is pretty strong.
A little farther up the scale in contact strength is 351 if you can find it. This stuff is clear in color and dries very fast. I used to have trouble getting it from the bottle to the application spot before it would set up but it can be done.
Then there's a surgical grade adhesive called Pros-Aide.
This stuff will bond skin to skin and won't come off till you take it off with a petroleum distillate called "Bond off".
For Pros-Aide Application you would daub a little on the bottom of each horn and a little in each of your forehead circles and allow to dry. How do you know when it's dry? It will go from milky white to clear (which also makes it great for blending prosthetic appliances, but that is another whole chapter)
Which ever you use alway's remember to tighten the cap on it when finished, don't ever leave an adhesive sitting around with the lid off. Not only will it dry out and become useless(Pros-aide will actually develop large thick masses in it from absorbing air)
but trust me, the bottle WILL get knocked over and make a huge mess and potentially get on you, your costume or worse yet, your make-up! Use it, put the lid on securely and put it aside when your done with it. This goes DOUBLE if you are sharing a make-up room with others!
I've seen actors knock spirit gum off a counter ON to other actors and the common remark made is, "Someone forgot to tighten their lid!"
Press the horns in place and hold them there for at least 30 seconds.
Once they are in place you can go around the base of them with a little liquid latex to blend them and make them look like they are really coming out of your head. Once the latex has set up, go around the horns at the base with a little dark green, powder, remove powder and seal as explained above.
I should recommend some good books for you here but I don't recall the titles off the top of my head.
There is one you are going to want to get for later on if you want to get into prosthetics (like Lorne wore)by Lee Bagen called "3D make-up." I think that's the new title.
It will tell you everything you need to know about life casting and how to replicate area's of the face and hands for sculpting and prosthetic appliance making and application.
Then I went and forget the step where the horns are applied!
It's kind of a no-brainer but they would go on after your base color is applied.
Hopefully you left those two circled area's on your forehead clean of any make-up. If not you can go back in with a little alcohol and swab them clean. Alcohol comes in different percentages and I usually go with as high a percentage as I can find, something above 70% though is best.
Let's talk make-up grade adhesives for a moment...
There is of course spirit gum and it comes in a few different grades but I normally shoot for the darkest brown spirit gum I can find like Mehron which is pretty strong.
A little farther up the scale in contact strength is 351 if you can find it. This stuff is clear in color and dries very fast. I used to have trouble getting it from the bottle to the application spot before it would set up but it can be done.
Then there's a surgical grade adhesive called Pros-Aide.
This stuff will bond skin to skin and won't come off till you take it off with a petroleum distillate called "Bond off".
For Pros-Aide Application you would daub a little on the bottom of each horn and a little in each of your forehead circles and allow to dry. How do you know when it's dry? It will go from milky white to clear (which also makes it great for blending prosthetic appliances, but that is another whole chapter)
Which ever you use alway's remember to tighten the cap on it when finished, don't ever leave an adhesive sitting around with the lid off. Not only will it dry out and become useless(Pros-aide will actually develop large thick masses in it from absorbing air)
but trust me, the bottle WILL get knocked over and make a huge mess and potentially get on you, your costume or worse yet, your make-up! Use it, put the lid on securely and put it aside when your done with it. This goes DOUBLE if you are sharing a make-up room with others!
I've seen actors knock spirit gum off a counter ON to other actors and the common remark made is, "Someone forgot to tighten their lid!"
Press the horns in place and hold them there for at least 30 seconds.
Once they are in place you can go around the base of them with a little liquid latex to blend them and make them look like they are really coming out of your head. Once the latex has set up, go around the horns at the base with a little dark green, powder, remove powder and seal as explained above.
I should recommend some good books for you here but I don't recall the titles off the top of my head.
There is one you are going to want to get for later on if you want to get into prosthetics (like Lorne wore)by Lee Bagen called "3D make-up." I think that's the new title.
It will tell you everything you need to know about life casting and how to replicate area's of the face and hands for sculpting and prosthetic appliance making and application.
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that this section "Cleveland" is not the place to post this kind of query.
Hopefully "The powers that be" will move it to the correct place!
Hopefully "The powers that be" will move it to the correct place!
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Wow! That is amazing advice you've given. When I get home and back to my own laptop I'm definitely bookmarking this. Obviously we don't have Halloween in Australia, but as soon as the next costume party springs up I'm planning this. My fiance and I are planning on going as Lorne and FredLornette but we've been struggling trying to put the outfit together.
I have a question regarding the glues though. Where is the best place to find them? Can you order that kind of thing online? (I'm guessing I'll have problems getting them through customs though..) or are there places that they can be found? And what kind of prices would I be looking at?
I have a question regarding the glues though. Where is the best place to find them? Can you order that kind of thing online? (I'm guessing I'll have problems getting them through customs though..) or are there places that they can be found? And what kind of prices would I be looking at?
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Thanks C.A.D.! I'm glad you found it informative.
While this place has changed hands of late so I can't really swear by them, I couldn't really swear by them with the old owners either!
Give them a look see and tell me what you think, they have been a mainstay in the business for years and you should be able to find most everything you could want:
http://www.burmanfoam.com/estore/home.php
I can't really talk much about foam latex though as I've only ever tried ONE batch of foam make-up and the only thing that came out was the eye-bags (out of a fore-head,nose and ears I was doing).
My specialty is Gelatin appliances and recently Silicone Appliances.
If you and your boyfriend get some face cast's together and your willing to send them to me, I could sculpt you up some pieces!
Just a thought!
If you have any other questions just ask and if I know anything I'll tell you...it's good to dust off the old make-up sections of my gray matter from time to time. 😀
While this place has changed hands of late so I can't really swear by them, I couldn't really swear by them with the old owners either!
Give them a look see and tell me what you think, they have been a mainstay in the business for years and you should be able to find most everything you could want:
http://www.burmanfoam.com/estore/home.php
I can't really talk much about foam latex though as I've only ever tried ONE batch of foam make-up and the only thing that came out was the eye-bags (out of a fore-head,nose and ears I was doing).
My specialty is Gelatin appliances and recently Silicone Appliances.
If you and your boyfriend get some face cast's together and your willing to send them to me, I could sculpt you up some pieces!
Just a thought!
If you have any other questions just ask and if I know anything I'll tell you...it's good to dust off the old make-up sections of my gray matter from time to time. 😀
caitaintdead
Thanks again for the help!
i'm sorry i didn't know where i should of put this. new to the boards. just figured this was the closest to what i was asking. when you mean powder do you mean baby powder or some other kind? and thank you so much. i didn't even think about using sculpey clay. where should i go in the future for costume questions on te boards so its in the right place? thank you again i hope im a hit.
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Good to hear from you Orko...
I could be wrong as well but I think the "inside out" section is where a thread like this belongs.
You should use a good stage make-up powder. I believe that Ben-Nye makes a good one and in a few different shades.
I'd stick with a powder for a fair complexion (that means a lighter skin tone rather than darker)
If and when you get into prosthetics we could talk about sculpting up those "scale" area's that appear around Lorne's Horns, which would probably be a good first project for you!
I could be wrong as well but I think the "inside out" section is where a thread like this belongs.
You should use a good stage make-up powder. I believe that Ben-Nye makes a good one and in a few different shades.
I'd stick with a powder for a fair complexion (that means a lighter skin tone rather than darker)
If and when you get into prosthetics we could talk about sculpting up those "scale" area's that appear around Lorne's Horns, which would probably be a good first project for you!
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Here's another great resource for anyone wanting to do some life casting and OR prosthetic stuff:
http://www.smooth-on.com/index.html
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE research what you need to do in order to do proper life-casting! I absolutely GROAN out loud every time I read an article about someone who didn't know what they were doing taking and pouring Plaster directly onto their face and most of the time they forgot to include breathing holes!
Never Never NEVER pour plaster onto your face! It just isn't done that way!
Also, you can look up life-casting on you-tube and just about every aspect of prosthetic appliance making and application there is.
Remember, it NEVER hurts to ask before you do anything you are unsure of!
http://www.smooth-on.com/index.html
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE research what you need to do in order to do proper life-casting! I absolutely GROAN out loud every time I read an article about someone who didn't know what they were doing taking and pouring Plaster directly onto their face and most of the time they forgot to include breathing holes!
Never Never NEVER pour plaster onto your face! It just isn't done that way!
Also, you can look up life-casting on you-tube and just about every aspect of prosthetic appliance making and application there is.
Remember, it NEVER hurts to ask before you do anything you are unsure of!