Neil Patrick Harris should be cancelled.

I remember this now. [Edited: oops, wrong person, but both said about the same thing.]

Nevertheless, there is some truth to it. Even conservative magazines like National Review have called for a stop in the dehumanization and belligerence toward those one disagrees with as it's bad for the nation and takes the party to a dark place, and I agree wholeheartedly with that, be the ones doing it considering themselves Left or Right, liberal or conservative, or whatever. ('Course NR has many contributor who don't always agree with each other.)

That aside, I understand the point made in the Original Post, and how irritating it can be people hold political opponents to much higher standards than one's self and one's own party, in addition to how arbitrary and hypocritical it all is (as opposed to wanting to cancel others tit for tat).
 
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Yes, there is hypocrisy online regarding cancel culture and yes, conservatives and liberals are treated far harsher than the authoritarian leftists who often spout illogical woke nonsense along with hate and bigotry towards the right, feminists, white people in general, etc.

I'm not sure the answer to that is to cancel somebody over a cake. I've seen some sick-looking cakes over the years (some of them unintentional!) and the Winehouse one...sure, it's in pretty bad taste. Shouldn't reflect too harshly on NPH I don't think. I'd need a bit more context for a start. Why did he make it? Did he make it or commission it? Whatever, eating a cake shaped like something doesn't mean you want to consume that thing...

Cancel culture is utterly WRONG, and its a symptom of a deeply divided (not to mention decaying) society where no-one really wants to communicate with each other or come to an understanding; its about utilizing social power unfairly and then adding lazy, inaccurate justifications (which have been witnessed on this very thread towards Gina Carrano) afterwards because these types of people are SO convinced that their morally correct....until the cancel-mob comes for them.

It's really something to witness, over the past few years, come many cancelers then go on to be cancelled because they fail some kind of cultural purity test, because standards have changed without them having the foresight to see them alter.


The internet remembers everything that is put out there, and when the tide shifts I'm sure that these self same cancelers will be looking to fairness, objectivity and free speech to protect their rights and their livelihoods. They should hope that others are nicer and more tolerant than they themselves have been shown to be.

Being a jerk or wrong or 'incorrect' isn't a crime and instead of cyber-banishment followed by self-satisfaction by people who often claim to empathize, 'be kind', love, accept and tolerate all...maybe they should try using those supposed traits and communicate.
It's one of the things social media is supposed to be FOR, after all. 🙂
 
Yes, there is hypocrisy online regarding cancel culture and yes, conservatives and liberals are treated far harsher than the authoritarian leftists who often spout illogical woke nonsense along with hate and bigotry towards the right, feminists, white people in general, etc.

I'm not sure the answer to that is to cancel somebody over a cake. I've seen some sick-looking cakes over the years (some of them unintentional!) and the Winehouse one...sure, it's in pretty bad taste. Shouldn't reflect too harshly on NPH I don't think. I'd need a bit more context for a start. Why did he make it? Did he make it or commission it? Whatever, eating a cake shaped like something doesn't mean you want to consume that thing...

Cancel culture is utterly WRONG, and its a symptom of a deeply divided (not to mention decaying) society where no-one really wants to communicate with each other or come to an understanding; its about utilizing social power unfairly and then adding lazy, inaccurate justifications (which have been witnessed on this very thread towards Gina Carrano) afterwards because these types of people are SO convinced that their morally correct....until the cancel-mob comes for them.

It's really something to witness, over the past few years, come many cancelers then go on to be cancelled because they fail some kind of cultural purity test, because standards have changed without them having the foresight to see them alter.


The internet remembers everything that is put out there, and when the tide shifts I'm sure that these self same cancelers will be looking to fairness, objectivity and free speech to protect their rights and their livelihoods. They should hope that others are nicer and more tolerant than they themselves have been shown to be.

Being a jerk or wrong or 'incorrect' isn't a crime and instead of cyber-banishment followed by self-satisfaction by people who often claim to empathize, 'be kind', love, accept and tolerate all...maybe they should try using those supposed traits and communicate.
It's one of the things social media is supposed to be FOR, after all. 🙂

Its time we stopped reinventing history and pretending white people have been the victims. White middle or upper class guys have long been the pilvage group. That hasn't changed a whole lot sadly.

My take on cancel culture is that its way overblown and has been blown out of proportion. To start off with its a very small minority of people saying such and such should be cancelled. I disagree with that small minority, but its a free country so they can express that if they want. Another thing is having a conversation about something which might be outdated or offensive is not the same as saying something should be cancelled. To try and shut these conversations down is an attack on free speech. I can understand how a 22 year old watching an episode of Only Fools and Horses would find some of the racial slurs or homophobic remarks hard to stomuch. I like that sitcom but I cringe whenever I hear those lines. Do I think it should be wiped from existance? (whatever that means). No. I bet if you asked most people they would say the same no matter what background they come from. They've found a good solution that is to put a notice before the programme basically amounting to "that was then, this is now". I don't have a problem with that. Noting has been cancelled yet people are still moaning. Its baffling really.

A lot if this is down to politics. In this country one of the front runners to be Prime Minister hyjacked the issue as a way to appeal to far right voters. Its not an issue most people care about (and that includes many people on the right). It seems to be me that certain people in politics use it as a smokescreen to deflect from the lack of diversity in their policies or to deflect from how poorly their running the country. Basically get people talking about an emotive issue to distract them from the bigger more important issues facing everyday people.
 
Its time we stopped reinventing history and pretending white people have been the victims.

No-one is re-inventing anything, or indeed playing the victim.

But really it all depends of the timescale of your history, doesn't it? There are plenty of 'white' ethnic groups who haven't been that privileged in the wider scheme of things. Jews? Irish? Poles? Slavs? All have been cruelly victimized in the same/similar time-scale some idiots use to talk about 'colonization' and 'white privilege'; political nonsense imported over from the US.

White middle or upper class guys have long been the pilvage group. That hasn't changed a whole lot sadly.

Yeah, I guess working class white people don't matter then. That was certainly the view in Rotherham, Telford and a dozen or so other places around the country.

My take on cancel culture is that its way overblown and has been blown out of proportion.

Disagree entirely; many writers, artists, comedians and professors have all had their careers drastically affected by this, and even more professions point of the atmosphere of fear and self-censorship that has been generated in recent years.
People who have supported J.K Rowling have had their careers destroyed, a comedian was recently cancelled from The Edinburgh Fringe, for god's sake. Overblown? Really?


To start off with its a very small minority of people saying such and such should be cancelled. I disagree with that small minority, but its a free country so they can express that if they want.

That's a lovely sentiment, shared by many, except those sad, pathetic few who regularly engage in cancel culture and also the large group of higher-ups who often seem to act at the behest of those sad, pathetic few.

Another thing is having a conversation about something which might be outdated or offensive is not the same as saying something should be cancelled.

Many of these self-styled culture warriors do not what to 'have a conversation' in any way, shape or form.

I can understand how a 22 year old watching an episode of Only Fools and Horses would find some of the racial slurs or homophobic remarks hard to stomuch. I like that sitcom but I cringe whenever I hear those lines. Do I think it should be wiped from existance? (whatever that means).

Oh, I guess you haven't heard about sitcom episodes having scenes altered or simply being deleted entirely from a series then?

I mean, a trigger warning for a comedy show is bad enough, incredibly childish really, but actually censoring art? Kinda crappy.

Noting has been cancelled yet people are still moaning.

Or maybe warning and pointing out clear abuses of power?

A lot if this is down to politics. In this country one of the front runners to be Prime Minister hyjacked the issue as a way to appeal to far right voters.

Haha, of yeah, that old far-right dog-whistle of free speech. Wasn't it a go-to liberal talking point way back a few years ago?

Its not an issue most people care about (and that includes many people on the right).

Lots of polling suggests otherwise, what with people getting arrested for posting 'offensive' tweets and the like.

There are many people who can realize two (or more things) simultaneously; the fact that there are many bad things happening in the world on top of the fact that civil discourse of politica (and cultural) matters is kinda in the crapper. Most people acknowledge that fact and also are capable of recognizing those responsible.
 
I've even known fairly (or even far) Leftist YTers who spoke intelligently about this in ways that should've been approved get canceled (let's stop pretending that's not a thing), typically by people who are not enlightened in any form, just kneejerk reactions of the ignorant. And people face prison in some nations over pranks that don't even seem to offend those being championed by twitter mobs, job firings, and arrests (which I don't associate with freedom of speech, by the way, especially when actual death threats against the ones targeted for cancellation or worse who made no such threats are NOT arrested or canceled at all).

Here in the United States, those being "defended" have countered their lofty "champions" more than once, effectively telling them to butt out rather than their pretensions of helping, but these privileged people (and those who exploit them) won't. It's middle school psychology, no real understanding of the issues these SJWs claim to champion who annoy those they claim to defend more than being allies, and do more harm than good, often even doing the very opposite of creating divisions rather than healing them (I want to say "ironically," but I think the term today is "unironically").
 
You don't have to listen to someone's music to think that creating a cake to look like their corpse a week or so after their funeral, posting it online and pretending to eat someone's rotting, cut up cadaver and showing it off to your mates is seriously disgusting.

That's metal. 😅

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It is important to protect free speech so you don't get the treatment Salman Rushdie got in New York last week. This attempt at cancel culture was almost fatal and may result in Salman Rushdie losing an eye.

What cha gonna do when they come for you?
 
Imagine most of us would be "cancelled" for exposing our genitals and using racial slurs at work.

Comedy is art and The Fringe pushes the boundaries when it comes to art; that's kinda the point of it and what its known for. Comedians often play characters when they TELL JOKES on stage, and often those jokes involve taboo subjects.

Plus, like, the guy is actually well known for exposing himself for shock value and saying shocking (and also funny) things. The guy is a legend in the comedy community and at live comedy events; hell, he even put out a 'warning advertisement' about what he was gonna do before hand 'I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that...' etc

But, y'know, we all realize that those who suppress art because 'they get offended' and therefore think that no-one else should see it are always on the right side of history. Sheesh.
 
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It's Fahrenheit 451 lol
Comedy is art and The Fringe pushes the boundaries when it comes to art; that's kinda the point of it and what its known for.
So there are boundaries. So it follows that exposing yourself and using racial slurs could be considered beyond those boundaries. Hence a decision by organisers not to hold a second show isn't a big deal. Other places with different boundaries will be able to book him as they see fit.
 
There's always been gate-keeping for art. Hence Manet, turned down by the Paris Salon, exhibited at the Salon des Refusés. It remains to be seen whether Jerry Sadowitz' genitals become as critically acclaimed (or as over-exposed) as Le déjeuner sur l'herbe. Let me know when there's a jigsaw of his wedding tackle. It's an old(ish) adage but freedom of speech (or flashing) doesn't mean freedom from the consequences.
 
It is important to protect free speech so you don't get the treatment Salman Rushdie got in New York last week. This attempt at cancel culture was almost fatal and may result in Salman Rushdie losing an eye.

What cha gonna do when they come for you?
Not quite the same thing as not being rehired by a company which under the rules of capitalism they are well within their rights to do because someone makes them look bad for comparing right wingers being criticised to the systematic murder of six million people over something they couldn't help.

The Daily Wire can't help if you lose an eye or your life for that matter.
 
So there are boundaries. So it follows that exposing yourself and using racial slurs could be considered beyond those boundaries.

Sure, but the boundaries are contracting; what Sandowitz did wasn't in any way new for his show, he even gave warnings, and now because a tiny minority felt 'unsafe' nobody gets to see the show?

I will never understand the mind-set; 'I didn't like that so nobody gets to see it and make up their own minds'. Crappy authoritarian attitude to art that I hoped society had gotten past; y'know, a progressive liberal society rather than a reactionary ban-happy one.

There's always been gate-keeping for art. Hence Manet, turned down by the Paris Salon, exhibited at the Salon des Refusés.

Nah, I'm thinking more early 20th century, like Billy Wilder.
 
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