New Leader of AI

[Edmund Blackadder]

It's interesting that many assume that Wes made the natural leader of AI, considering his background with the Watcher's Council.

Yet, Charles had more experience actually fighting supernatural beings and had been the leader of a gang. Combined this with his natural intelligence and his personality, I think he would have made a natural leader of the AI just as much as Wes. But I guess that most think the same way as Fred does . . . he's the "muscle" and nothing else.

By the way, I'm still upset that Wes and everyone else believed that he had the right to threaten Charles with being fired. Yes, Wes was the leader of AI when they were involved with cases. But Wes, Charles and Cordelia were still equal partners in the agency. Wes should have threatened Charles with the possibility of him and Cordelia asking Charles to end the partnership, not threatened to fire him.

For a start...its GUNN.
Charles was his christian name BUT he was constantly refered to as Gunn, that is who he was in the show.

Secondly, at the beginning to mid-way through season 2, Gunn was the leader of his crew AND a fighter.
He exhibited none of the grey matter needed to run a Private Investigators.
Your problem seems to be that you are focussing on the fighting not the rest.
Gunn began to show himself later, mid season 3 BUT before that he was very little else.
Infact the worst crime of character was done to Gunn because of the way they changed him.

Gunn was intelligent and streetwise while being a good fighter, thats perfectly fine if you run a crew that is trying to survive and occasionaly stake some vampires, BUT if you are trying to run a business that is viable, that needs to be able to differentiate between demons to find the most effective way of fighting them, then you need someone with some fighting ability(at the very least) and a whole host of book smarts.

 

[LadyLavinia]

For a start...its GUNN.
Charles was his christian name BUT he was constantly refered to as Gunn, that is who he was in the show.

Secondly, at the beginning to mid-way through season 2, Gunn was the leader of his crew AND a fighter.
He exhibited none of the grey matter needed to run a Private Investigators.
Your problem seems to be that you are focussing on the fighting not the rest.
Gunn began to show himself later, mid season 3 BUT before that he was very little else.
Infact the worst crime of character was done to Gunn because of the way they changed him.

Gunn was intelligent and streetwise while being a good fighter, thats perfectly fine if you run a crew that is trying to survive and occasionaly stake some vampires, BUT if you are trying to run a business that is viable, that needs to be able to differentiate between demons to find the most effective way of fighting them, then you need someone with some fighting ability(at the very least) and a whole host of book smarts.

One, why are you admonishing me for calling him Charles? That is his name. We don't call Wes - Wydham-Price, do we? Why should he be called by his surname and not by his first? What is he . . . a private in an army?

Two, you praise Wes for being able to run a business, but in the end, it was Cordelia who really did it. It seemed that way to me. Charles seemed more of an effective leader while fighting. Cordelia seemed more of an effective leader when taking it upon herself to run the business in both Seasons 2 and 3. So why did Whedon allowed Wes to be named "leader"? Having a whole host of "book smarts" did not make Wes the best choice for leader of AI, in my opinion. "Book smarts" isn't everything.

He exhibited none of the grey matter needed to run a Private Investigators.
Your problem seems to be that you are focussing on the fighting not the rest.
Gunn began to show himself later, mid season 3 BUT before that he was very little else.

Interesting. You actually believe that Charles lacked any intelligence, until his upgrade in Season 5. Were you actually watching the show? As I recalled, Charles, who apparently "lacked the grey matter to run a PI business" in your eyes, who had found Darla on two occasions using his brains. Not Angel and definitely not Wes.

 

[Wicked]

One, why are you admonishing me for calling him Charles? That is his name. We don't call Wes - Wydham-Price, do we? Why should he be called by his surname and not by his first? What is he . . . a private in an army?

Because everyone but Fred called him Gunn. Therefore thats what we all call him. Likewise characters called Wes "Wesley" or "Wes" not "Wyndham-Pryce", so thats what we call him.

In your line of thinking, we could refer to Giles as Rupert, but only Jenny and Olivia did that. You see a pattern here? Their girlfriends called them by their first name. No one else.

 

[LadyLavinia]

Because everyone but Fred called him Gunn. Therefore thats what we all call him. Likewise characters called Wes "Wesley" or "Wes" not "Wyndham-Pryce", so thats what we call him.

Why on earth should I care what you or most of the characters call him? To me, he is Charles.

In your line of thinking, we could refer to Giles as Rupert, but only Jenny and Olivia did that. You see a pattern here? Their girlfriends called them by their first name. No one else.

And your point?

 

[Wicked]

You asked why we were admonishing you for calling him Charles. I was answering you. If you dont care, dont ask. Simple as that!

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

One, why are you admonishing me for calling him Charles? That is his name. We don't call Wes - Wydham-Price, do we? Why should he be called by his surname and not by his first? What is he . . . a private in an army?

I am admonishing you because his character was refered to CONSTANTLY as Gunn. Your argument lacks any of the grey matter required to be intelligent because of that stupid 'Wyndam-Price' thing. You show me episodes where Wes or Wesley was refered to as Wyndam-Price(not Mr) and I will concede that you are not an idiot. However I can show you every episode that GUNN appeared in and was called Gunn, refered to as Gun while not on screen and called Gunn to his face.

Two, you praise Wes for being able to run a business, but in the end, it was Cordelia who really did it. It seemed that way to me. Charles seemed more of an effective leader while fighting. Cordelia seemed more of an effective leader when taking it upon herself to run the business in both Seasons 2 and 3. So why did Whedon allowed Wes to be named "leader"? Having a whole host of "book smarts" did not make Wes the best choice for leader of AI, in my opinion. "Book smarts" isn't everything.

Which time are you refering to with Cordelia?
That time she was more concerned about the money than her own safety and got an extra Eye?
See, I don't actually see that as the kind of intelligence needed to run any sort of firm.
Money is important, but then so is your life. She constantly allowed greed to take control of her because she thought it would get her the pretty little things she wanted. Maybe you should watch the show again.

So why did Whedon

Shouldn't that be Joss?

Interesting. You actually believe that Charles lacked any intelligence, until his upgrade in Season 5. Were you actually watching the show? As I recalled, Charles, who apparently "lacked the grey matter to run a PI business" in your eyes, who had found Darla on two occasions using his brains. Not Angel and definitely not Wes.

Right, you are gonna need a course in reading.
I said 'He exhibited none of the grey matter needed to run a Private Investigators.' NOT 'lacked the grey matter to run a PI business'.
Language, there are subtle differences.
My comment did nothing to say that Gunn was not intelligent. What it DOES state is that Gunn had not shown the required brain power to run a business. I actually said a few times that Gunn was a leader as he led his crew well, BUT that doesn't mean he has the ability to run a business.
The ultimate fact of the matter is I have the evidence on my side because Wesley was chosen. By the writers if you will, and if you REALLY want to go down the route where you seem to be using the characters as evidence, so can I.
Cordelia and Gunn agreed to follow Wesley, we know this because they did.

Why on earth should I care what you or most of the characters call him? To me, he is Charles.

Brain Power isn't everything you are quite right, which bodes well for you in the real world, just hope to GOD you are attractive(some how, I doubt that).

 

[arabella]

Wes does seem to be the obvious choice to lead AI, but Gunn seems most similar to Angel in leadership style. I think that if Gunn is able to delegate responsibility the way that Angel did (in terms of research and book keeping) then he would make an excellent head of AI. He is strong and not afraid to take charge.

Also I don't understand why there are personal attacks being made in this thread, it seems very inappropriate and mean spirited. Also I don't understand why some are choosing to perseverate on what a character is called, as that seems like a topic for another thread.