Next Stop 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

I have a feeling I'm going to be completely alone in this one, but I'm backing Ron Paul.

On this board...maybe.

On the internets....eh,not so much. I'm on quite a few other message boards,and on the majority that have political and/or off topic areas,there's quite a few Paul threads. Never mind that,except for being anti-war,the guy is so far to the right it's not funny.

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If Al Gore was voted in, and I'd start a movement to build a big wall along the northern border, and not let any Americans in until they regained their sanity.

Yeah. Because that movement to build a wall along the OTHER border is going so well....and it's a dumb idea for the same reason that building a wall along the Mexican border is.
 
nerd4hire
nerd4hire
Except I'm not saying Americans should build it. I'm saying we Canadians should should Gore ever become president. Also, it's a joke. I thought that was obvious.
lol why do you feel that way ? What has he done to you ?

Took ya long enough. 😉 I thought you'd never ask.

First of all nothing comes out of his mouth that isn't a lie. He lies, and he's even said it's a good policy to lie. He's gutless. He won't debate the issues. I hate the way he has the mainstream media bamboozled to the point they don't dare challenge him on obvious misdeeds. That's dangerous. Want an example?

Let's start with the obvious one. He's big on this global warming thing. He wants the average guy to make sacrifices, but he doesn't think the whole sacrifice thing should apply to him. His carbon footprint is 20 times higher than the average Americans. (It's higher than Bush's too).

He says that's OK, because he buys what's called carbon offsets. Carbon offsets are these things you can buy if you choose not to actually contribute to the environment personally. Someone will go out and plant a tree for you, or some such thing.

Here's the problem though. Gore owns the cabon offset company he's buying from. He's put his ex-campaign manager in charge of the company, but it's still Gore's company. Incidentally that guy was caught accepting money from dubious sources while Gore was in office. I forget how it went exactly. He was putting the money in his son's name, or something like that. Gore managed to talk Janet Reno into giving him a reprieve, and it never made the papers. But that's whose running Gore's carbon offset company.

Also it isn't even an actual carbon offset company. It invests money for clients in companies complimentary to liberal causes, including global warming. It's an investment company. So when Gore claims to be buying carbon offsets, what he's actually doing is buying stock in his own company.

You'd be reading all night if I listed all the crap this guy has done, but basically it goes like this. I'm convinced he's part of a hidden agenda designed to create a socialist, totalitarian, slave state using global warming hysteria as an ends to a means without even caring about the actual issue. He knows everything he's saying is a lie. He doesn't care, just as long as it takes him a step closer to the long term goal.
 
im eerily undecided. im having alot of trouble with this election. so much for me to think about.

but when it comes down to it, presidents are just puppets. some just have stronger strings attached.

ill let you know more later.
 
palabravampiress
palabravampiress
I'm with you. I just can't make up my mind on this one. Kerry had my vote last time. This time? Anyone could have it. I'm totally up in the air.
I'm convinced he's part of a hidden agenda designed to create a socialist, totalitarian, slave state using global warming hysteria as an ends to a means without even caring about the actual issue. He knows everything he's saying is a lie. He doesn't care, just as long as it takes him a step closer to the long term goal.


Wow! If that is true, which would be strange, then why not run for office, and why not get those people who are backing this 'hidden agenda' to make him president when he ACTUALLY won two elections ago. Bush lossed and yet became president, Bush is behind the evil conspiracy and started the Iraq War! A conspiracy to make everyone into 'socialists' is that evil? Everyone getting things equally? Anyway, If he is lieing, idk I can't tell, his movie was convincing 😛 But if he is atleast he is trying to address the pretend problem and will get others too. But still the flaw is, he would be running again if he was lieing wouldn't he? Anyway you could be right!! We can't risk it!! Quick we must vote for someone who is actually running ^_^
 
I went and did some more research on the candidates. This thread inspired me. I fall in line with Paul on Iraq and Iran and he and Obama tie for me on health care (even though neither perfectly fits what I want from a candidate on that issue). On abortion, I'm with Clinton and Gravel. None of the candidates match my views on immigration. As far as climate change goes, I don't really have an opinion. On same sex marriage, pretty much everyone talks out of both sides of their mouths. I guess I'd vote for Paul right now if I thought he had half a chance of winning, but his views on abortion would give me serious pause, as I think the government should just stay out of a private citizen's personal medical decisions.
 
S
Senior Watcher
well put. the gubment should stay out of private issues.
Wow! If that is true, which would be strange, then why not run for office, and why not get those people who are backing this 'hidden agenda' to make him president...

Gore would be crazy to run for President. He'd have to actually answer the tough questions. He's safer to hide behind the cloak of environmental savior, where nobody dares ask a question that can't be answered by "it is, because it is". He needs to be able to say no further explanation is necessary.

If the average person knew what anybody with Google and a little initiative knows about Al Gore, the guy wouldn't be able to walk outside his door. If he were to run for President the mainstream media would tell you that stuff. Gore and his handlers know this. They can't have it. He's better as an iconic figurehead with no real power.

Admit it though. This conspiracy theory of world domination constructed on the back of supposed, human caused global warming is starting to get you intrigued, isn't it? It is a good one. Here's a couple of links.

Globalists Love Global Warming

Global warming hysteria serves as excuse for world government
 
im eerily undecided. im having alot of trouble with this election. so much for me to think about.

but when it comes down to it, presidents are just puppets. some just have stronger strings attached.

ill let you know more later.

I agree, I don't think think the presidents have any power really, and I think all of them spout out lots of crap to make people happy. The government does what it wants, when it wants, and in my personal opinion all we have is an illusion of democracy, which I guess is better than nothing.

And palebra, while I strongly disagree with your views on abortion I have to say that you will probably get your wish, because even if the next ten presidents are Conservative, I don't think abortion will ever be made illegal.

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Gore would be crazy to run for President. He'd have to actually answer the tough questions. He's safer to hide behind the cloak of environmental savior, where nobody dares ask a question that can't be answered by "it is, because it is". He needs to be able to say no further explanation is necessary.

If the average person knew what anybody with Google and a little initiative knows about Al Gore, the guy wouldn't be able to walk outside his door. If he were to run for President the mainstream media would tell you that stuff. Gore and his handlers know this. They can't have it. He's better as an iconic figurehead with no real power.

Admit it though. This conspiracy theory of world domination constructed on the back of global warming theory is starting to get you intrigued, isn't it? It is a good one. Here's a couple of links.

Globalists Love Global Warming

Global warming hysteria serves as excuse for world government

I'm not saying I think Al Gore is a good person or anything, but I do think he's right about global warming. How can tons of pollution NOT effect the planet?

My grandfather is ULTRA Republican, and he doesn't believe in global warming either. He says I listen too much to "liberal propaganda" (even though I don't support the Democratic party). But HE'S listening to conservative propaganda.

And I've read plenty about global warming, from both sides of the argument. 🙂
 
S
Senior Watcher
im glad to read that you did your own research on "both" sides of the global warming issue and THEN made your mind up. i hate it when people stand strong on an issue that they have only heard one side of.
I'm not saying I think Al Gore is a good person or anything, but I do think he's right about global warming. How can tons of pollution NOT effect the planet?

Start a Global Warming thread, and I'll tell you. We'll begin with the fact C02 is not pollution.
 
Gore would be crazy to run for President. He'd have to actually answer the tough questions. He's safer to hide behind the cloak of environmental savior, where nobody dares ask a question that can't be answered by "it is, because it is". He needs to be able to say no further explanation is necessary.

If the average person knew what anybody with Google and a little initiative knows about Al Gore, the guy wouldn't be able to walk outside his door. If he were to run for President the mainstream media would tell you that stuff. Gore and his handlers know this. They can't have it. He's better as an iconic figurehead with no real power.

Admit it though. This conspiracy theory of world domination constructed on the back of supposed, human caused global warming is starting to get you intrigued, isn't it? It is a good one. Here's a couple of links.

Globalists Love Global Warming

Global warming hysteria serves as excuse for world government

Nah I'm more hung up on Roswell 😛 plus as you would say, Al Gore will prob. never be president 😛
 
wow. this is a great thread! so many things to talk about and ALL are worthy of their own threads (abortion, global warming, conservative views, democrat views, etc.).

i just want to take a quick pause here and say how great it is that we can all talk about these HIGHLY sensitive issues with each other and agree/disagree in a mature manner. i just wish the political pundits on tv could take a cue from us and not yell at each other or laugh at each others views. its very sad and disgusting when they do that.
 
R
Randy Giles
good points
B
Blondie Bear
I've been very impressed by the lack of screaming here, myself.
Obama bandwagon souped up for Super Tuesday by win
Denis Staunton, in Charleston


Democrats face a week of intense campaigning ahead of Super Tuesday as Barack Obama seeks to parlay his thumping win in South Carolina into a more comprehensive victory over Hillary Clinton when 22 states vote next week.

The scale of Mr Obama's triumph, winning more than twice as many votes as Mrs Clinton, has restored to his campaign the momentum it lost after defeats in New Hampshire and Nevada.

At the end of a campaign marked by bitter exchanges between the two camps, with Mr Obama's supporters accusing Mrs Clinton's of exploiting racial divisions, the Illinois senator told supporters in the state capital of Columbia that South Carolina had embraced a new kind of politics.

"The choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It's not about rich versus poor, young versus old, and it is not about black versus white," he said to loud cheers.

"This election is about the past versus the future. It's about whether we settle for the same divisions and distractions and drama that passes for politics today or whether we reach for a politics of common sense and innovation, a politics of shared sacrifice and shared prosperity."

Four out of five African-American voters chose Mr Obama but he also won a quarter of the white vote, the rest of which Mrs Clinton shared with John Edwards, who came third. Mr Obama won in almost every county in the state and in almost every age group, allowing him to claim that his message of change is resonating throughout American society.

Mr Obama won in South Carolina despite the efforts of former president Bill Clinton, who was campaigning in the state last week. Mr Clinton, who rejected charges that he sought to marginalise Mr Obama as the "black candidate", suggested on Saturday that the outcome was an expression of racial loyalty by African-Americans.

"Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88," Mr Clinton said in answer to a question that did not mention the civil rights campaigner and former presidential candidate. "Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."

Mrs Clinton left South Carolina before the results were announced on Saturday evening and made only a passing reference to her defeat at a rally in Nashville. She focused instead on Super Tuesday and on tomorrow's primary in Florida.

Mr Obama claimed last week that the Clintons were distorting his record and in his victory speech in Columbia, he sought to make honesty a central issue. "We're up against the idea that it's acceptable to say anything and do anything to win an election. But we know that this is exactly what's wrong with our politics," he said.

Mr Obama won the endorsement of Caroline Kennedy, daughter of president John F Kennedy, who wrote in the New York Times that he embodied her father's vision. "I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them. But for the first time, I believe I have found the man who could be that president - not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans," she wrote.

© 2008 The Irish Times

Source: The Irish Times

Just wondering where what everyone has made of the last few weeks of campaigning, backstabbing and cat calls? Naively I was surprised at how quickly the canidates turned on each other.

Any predictions for Super Tuesday?

Personally I'm still routing for Obama. I just like the guy, I would like to hear more about his policies though except that he will bring change.

Usually the Irish would back the Clinton camp. They were good to us in the 90's but I'm just not feeling Hilary at the moment and Bill left her up shit creek with some of his comments.
 
Source: The Irish Times

Just wondering where what everyone has made of the last few weeks of campaigning, backstabbing and cat calls? Naively I was surprised at how quickly the canidates turned on each other.

Any predictions for Super Tuesday?

Personally I'm still routing for Obama. I just like the guy, I would like to hear more about his policies though except that he will bring change.

Usually the Irish would back the Clinton camp. They were good to us in the 90's but I'm just not feeling Hilary at the moment and Bill left her up shit creek with some of his comments.

It's only get worse the closer we get to November. I hate election years. But this is the first one since I turned 18 that I have actually felt an urge to vote in. I'm rooting for Obama, too. I've seen the good he has done here in Chicago.
 
I've been sucked in by this election for som reason. I couldn't tell ya why but I just find the whole thing absorbing. I'll actually be in the states for the election and I'm strangely excited about that for some reason.

:blush: I don't get out much
 
J
Joyce Summers
Election year gets you revved up. No one knows why. haha.
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