Off With Their Heads! what shows should go.
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Jman82188 said:
I hope UPN takes on Angel, i mean they took on Buffy after their problems with The WB. That guy deserves to be shot!
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Everwood
One Tree Hill
7th Heaven
Smallville
Steve Harvey's Big Time
Gilmore Girls
That's pretty much it ... god, now I remember why I hate that channel so much ...
One Tree Hill
7th Heaven
Smallville
Steve Harvey's Big Time
Gilmore Girls
That's pretty much it ... god, now I remember why I hate that channel so much ...
LazyDolphin
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For those of you who keep mentioning Star Trek: Enterprise: It's not on the WB. It's on a different network (UPN).
Now, there are plenty of crappy WB shows with ratings worse than Angel's that they could have cancelled. Here's what they all have in common: they're cheaper to produce. WB can make ten Steve Harvey's Big Times (God help us) for the cost of one show like Angel. Shows like 7th Heaven and One Tree Hill don't have any special effects or action set pieces to weigh the budget down. Smallville isn't a cheap show to make, but it also does much better than Angel in the ratings (even if it's a crappier show). Personally, I would've canned Charmed before Angel, but I've never thought much of Charmed so I guess I'm a bit biased on that one.
As for Dark Shadows, don't bank on it actually making it to the WB schedule next season, it could still (and I'm betting it will) die in pre-production.
Now, there are plenty of crappy WB shows with ratings worse than Angel's that they could have cancelled. Here's what they all have in common: they're cheaper to produce. WB can make ten Steve Harvey's Big Times (God help us) for the cost of one show like Angel. Shows like 7th Heaven and One Tree Hill don't have any special effects or action set pieces to weigh the budget down. Smallville isn't a cheap show to make, but it also does much better than Angel in the ratings (even if it's a crappier show). Personally, I would've canned Charmed before Angel, but I've never thought much of Charmed so I guess I'm a bit biased on that one.
As for Dark Shadows, don't bank on it actually making it to the WB schedule next season, it could still (and I'm betting it will) die in pre-production.
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Just for the heck of it though, I decided to try a little search to see if I could find any information on how serious Warner Bros are with Dark Shadows. I found what I think is some interesting stuff.
Dark Shadows Scoop
WB's heavy hitters will be forming the production team.
Original "Dark Shadows" creator Dan Curtis and "ER" and "West Wing" producer John Wells are the creative forces behind the WB update, along with Mark Verheiden ("Smallville"), who wrote the pilot.
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|86120|1|,00.html
As scripting for the proposed WB Dark Shadows pilot gets underway, a recent article in the Boston Herald seems to bode well for the project's fortunes: "It's one of our top priorities," commented Pam Morrison, WB's head of programming publicity.
http://www.collinwood.net/new/
Rumours Dark Shadows filming in Vancouver
We have heard buzz from a reliable source that the Dark Shadows pilot is very likely to be filming in Vancouver in several weeks
WB Pilot Officially Greenlit
The order of a new Dark Shadows pilot for the WB has now started to appear in sources such as Variety.
http://barnabasundead.com/
Dark Shadows Spoilers
The pilot has already been written
http://barnabasundead.com/mausoleum.htm
Dark Shadows Scoop
WB's heavy hitters will be forming the production team.
Original "Dark Shadows" creator Dan Curtis and "ER" and "West Wing" producer John Wells are the creative forces behind the WB update, along with Mark Verheiden ("Smallville"), who wrote the pilot.
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|86120|1|,00.html
As scripting for the proposed WB Dark Shadows pilot gets underway, a recent article in the Boston Herald seems to bode well for the project's fortunes: "It's one of our top priorities," commented Pam Morrison, WB's head of programming publicity.
http://www.collinwood.net/new/
Rumours Dark Shadows filming in Vancouver
We have heard buzz from a reliable source that the Dark Shadows pilot is very likely to be filming in Vancouver in several weeks
WB Pilot Officially Greenlit
The order of a new Dark Shadows pilot for the WB has now started to appear in sources such as Variety.
http://barnabasundead.com/
Dark Shadows Spoilers
The pilot has already been written
http://barnabasundead.com/mausoleum.htm
Ad LD said, I could search for the exact figures but I will say that hundreds and hundreds of pilots are shot each year and only a tiny tiny fraction of them ever are shown to the public. So at this early stage, where they haven't even finished casting the pilot yet, let alone shooting it, the WB could not possibly make a decision as to whether they would rather have Dark Shadows than Angel.
Also, GL said in January that he saw no reason why the two shows could not coexist on the same network, as the show premises were completely different other than having a vampire in them.
Oh, and don't get too excited with them saying that DS is one fo their "top priorities". Fearless was their top priority over the summer and look at how that turned out...
Can we please get off of Dark Shadows now and get back to Angel?
Also, GL said in January that he saw no reason why the two shows could not coexist on the same network, as the show premises were completely different other than having a vampire in them.
Oh, and don't get too excited with them saying that DS is one fo their "top priorities". Fearless was their top priority over the summer and look at how that turned out...
Can we please get off of Dark Shadows now and get back to Angel?
LazyDolphin said:
all good points. i guess as viewers its hard for us to comprehend some of the reasons to keep a show up besides quality and popularity. let's not get into the angel before charmed and vice versa debate. i dont want to see too much hair pulling and biting...lol. but yeah, it is probably likely that it wont make it very far. few shows do. what do y'all think the chances of UPN picking up Angel are?
It's hard to say...I mean, Angel might reach too old a demographic than UPN caters to. At the same time, its kind of a safer show than Buffy...so they might give it a try. Personally, I think Angel would be the highlight of that trash network. But i'm not sure they're looking to change their reputation.
The question is really whether the people that would advertise on Angel are looking to reach UPN's audience.
The question is really whether the people that would advertise on Angel are looking to reach UPN's audience.
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From what I've been reading, another reason UPN might not be interested in Angel is UPN is in ratings trouble right now in that it doesn't have any to speak of. A network in trouble might not be interested in getting involved with an aging series others are saying is on the way out. Also another company holds the rerun rights to Angel, and isn't likely to give them up.
Can we get back on the subject of the thread for a sec though, which is "what shows should go". I choose Dark Shadows. I know it's your board and you make the rules Buffy, but if the rules are you make your point and there's no opportunity for rebuttal, well that's just not fair.
Yes, many unseen pilots are made, but they don't all have the public endorsement of the CEO of the company, nor do they have the cream of the networks talent working on them. My point is Dark Shadows is a credible possibility to be what the network has said it will be, "an entry in the 2004 fall lineup", and even if it isn't, all signs point to it having been used as a political pawn in the effort to control, or failing that discard Angel the Series.
Can we get back on the subject of the thread for a sec though, which is "what shows should go". I choose Dark Shadows. I know it's your board and you make the rules Buffy, but if the rules are you make your point and there's no opportunity for rebuttal, well that's just not fair.
Yes, many unseen pilots are made, but they don't all have the public endorsement of the CEO of the company, nor do they have the cream of the networks talent working on them. My point is Dark Shadows is a credible possibility to be what the network has said it will be, "an entry in the 2004 fall lineup", and even if it isn't, all signs point to it having been used as a political pawn in the effort to control, or failing that discard Angel the Series.
I NEVER tell people they can't disagree with me. But I'm not going to not reply myself either. I'm not going to say "Yes you are right - DARK SHADOWS IS SATAN" lol. And yes, I'm tired of reading posts blaming a show not even made yet for Angel being cancelled.
A good CEO will recognize when a show doesn't work, even when they love the show itself. GL was totally behind Fearless (which had a really great pilot imo btw) too, and its permanently shelved now.
Editing to address your edit: The network doesn't need a 'pawn' to cancel a show.
Okay, as you said, back to the topic of this thread: Which shows should be cancelled instead of Angel? And you can't pick Dark Shadows lol cause its not on the air 😛
I'd say anything other than 7th Heaven, Everwood, Charmed and Smallville which I watch. Obviously if its a choice between Angel or them, I'd pick Angel. But there are all those crap UPN-like sitcoms that could easily get trashed.
A good CEO will recognize when a show doesn't work, even when they love the show itself. GL was totally behind Fearless (which had a really great pilot imo btw) too, and its permanently shelved now.
Editing to address your edit: The network doesn't need a 'pawn' to cancel a show.
Okay, as you said, back to the topic of this thread: Which shows should be cancelled instead of Angel? And you can't pick Dark Shadows lol cause its not on the air 😛
I'd say anything other than 7th Heaven, Everwood, Charmed and Smallville which I watch. Obviously if its a choice between Angel or them, I'd pick Angel. But there are all those crap UPN-like sitcoms that could easily get trashed.
damn it...what is this??...fearless....lol...this falkin sucks...
lol...i'm begining to think that i should just throw away my tv...and just watch the shield every week....just so that these falkin networks can't play me anymore...
the wb...is on my shiz list...i will not watch the wb no more...damn falkin CEO...Angel was healla great this season...and it gets falkin axed...and smg won't show up...shiz...if i were joss...i'd be like loosing my mind right now...falk...
lol...i'm begining to think that i should just throw away my tv...and just watch the shield every week....just so that these falkin networks can't play me anymore...
the wb...is on my shiz list...i will not watch the wb no more...damn falkin CEO...Angel was healla great this season...and it gets falkin axed...and smg won't show up...shiz...if i were joss...i'd be like loosing my mind right now...falk...
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I forget where exactly I got this from. I think it was from,
http://www.collinwood.net/new/ somewhere.
http://www.collinwood.net/new/ somewhere.
From what i've read about it on the net it sounds really good to be honest. I'm not going to not watch a show just because Angel is getting cancelled. Its the network, i'm not happy with, not any other tv shows that may be seen as replacing it.
Tamuril_Taralom
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I cannot believe they are booting Angel before 7th Heaven!!! 😡 That show is terrible now, was bad before, and will get worse in the future! It is melodramatic to the extreme, and all the actors (except the one playing ruthie!) need to be shot asap, especially the mom!!!