Oz or Tara for Willow?

[Edmund Blackadder]

definately oz. i know willow was older when she met tara, but her and oz's love was more powerful. they were perfect for each other; they balanced each other out. most importantly, their relationship sprung from friendship. they were comfortable with each other and it wasnt all about passion, like willow and tara's relationship.

Erm have you actually seen these relationships?

Tara balanced Willow, she balanced her perfectly, there was trueness to that relationship that she never attained with Oz. This relationship brought both people out to who they actually were, allowing them to be who they hadit in them to be.
Thats not saying Oz didn't play his part in Willows confidence building, but Buffy, Xander, Giles and even Angel helped in that department too.
Tara and Willow didn't grow from a lust, it grew from an understanding, a friendship a true love, and yes there was passion in there too.
It wasn't all about that though, but you need it in a relationship. Oz was physically attracted to Willow the moment he saw her, Willow was interested in the guy who was interested in her, yes something grew from it, but when its THE one, you know in your heart instantly, and when you watch 'Hush' again, you can see this instant connection Tara and Willow exhibit.

and so what if they cheated on each other? they went through more trials but they survived through them. oz forgave willow for the xander fluke and willow forgave him for the veruca thing. never once did they leave each other for good like tara left willow - and that was mostly because she was scared. willow and oz's love was never forced - did you ever see willow hypnotizing oz into forgetting an argument?

Also, 'so what if they cheated on each other?', erm fact is you cheat because someone else gives you something that your partner can't give you, A Year into their relationship, Willow was off fooling around, then a year later, Oz placed himself into a position similar without any worry/concern for the consequences. These two did love no doubt, but they weren't, can't have been life long because they showed an obvious need outside of each other that was unhealthy.
Also, 'never once did they leave each other for good like tara left willow' hmm, this maybe me forgetting certain things, but didn't Oz and Willow break up, then didn't her return and she chose Tara, followed by her and Tara breaking up that led to them reconciling because they really did love each other? Yeah i may have the facts wrong on that one, but i've only watched the shows so i could be wrong😉
Fact is, Oz and Willow did break up, Oz DID leave Willow which helped her realize what she wanted from life. She may have still had love in her heart for Oz, but she didn't choose him, she chose Tara.
Your argument regarding the 'Lethe Bramble' bit is flawed because of the addiction.
You always hurt the ones you love, Willow was spiraling out of control with this addiction, it didn't mean she loved Tara any less, it means that the lure of power was so strong nothing could tame her.
Had she been with Oz at the time, she would have done the same. Remember that spell isnt the first thing that sends her on the path of the dark magics, infact one of the first things that really does is when Tara is attacked by Glory.
So yes we didn't see Willow cast a spell on Oz, we saw her cheat on him.

plus, we all saw what happened to willow when oz left. the only reason she went dark willow after tara's death was because her magic obsession was already rising to an explosion point. had oz died i doubt even xander would've been able to stop willow.

Yes we saw she was hurting and upset, when Oz left, but to just brush away the death of Tara as the fall into darkness is ignorant of the facts.
The addiction to the magics was strong, infact Sam tells WIllow she's never seen anyone beat this addiction, but one thing is her rock, one thing is her reason to fight, and that is Tara. When she loses that, she allows the Dark to over take her because she has no reason to be, Tara's death is infact the thing that breaks her, but she was not near 'explosion point' infact Willow was doing an excellent job controlling the power inside, with and without Tara in her life, as long as she was still there, there was still hope. When that died, so did her chance.
And as for that comment 'Had Oz died yadda yadda yadda' you really can't base that on any factual evidence, that is pure speculation based on biased viewing. I'm not saying Ozs death wouldn't have turned her to the dark, but to say it would have been complete, thats bogus...remember, Willow made a decision a few weeks into her relationship with Tara(it was only a few epsidoes) she chose her over Oz. Oz was offering her everything, and she chose Tara. There was no ultimatum, Oz was planning to go back to Sunnydale, but she chose Tara.
So all this hockum that Tara was less important to Willow than Oz, needs someone to review both relationships🙂

so all in all, i say willoz was the best relationship. and i cling to the dream that they'll reunite sometime when willow's travelling the world - but that's just me.

Honestly as long as she ain't with Kennedy i don't mind, infact i did like Ox and his relationship with Willow was sweet(not a love of the century but sweet) but Willow is Gay, the evidence is there, both in the show and from the mouths of the people who create her.

 

[ParadoXeX]

I would prefer Oz, but maybe Willow's relationship with Tara was deeper. I still can't believe that Will is lesbian.
Can you guys please tell me in which episode is said that Willow is a lesbian? 🙂

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

I would prefer Oz, but maybe Willow's relationship with Tara was deeper. I still can't believe that Will is lesbian.
Can you guys please tell me in which episode is said that Willow is a lesbian? 🙂

Umm, Triangle - 'Hello, Gay Now!'
Willow says this to show to Anya that she is not a threat to hers and Xanders relationship.

Umm, also see Him - if she was not Gay, then why would it be such an issue that the boy was actually a boy?
If she was even contemplating bisexuality, she would have gritted her teeth for him as she believed it was 'true love'.

and lest we forget this very telling conversation between Tara and Willow in 'Tough Love'

WILLOW: D-don't you trust me?
TARA: With my life.
WILLOW: That's not what I mean.
TARA: Can't we just go to the fair?
WILLOW: I don't feel real multicultural right now. (stands up) Wh ... what is it about me that you don't trust?
TARA: It's not that. I worry, sometimes. You're, you're changing so much, so fast. I don't know where you're heading.
WILLOW: Where I'm heading?
TARA: I'm saying everything wrong.
WILLOW: No, I think you're being pretty clear. This isn't about the witchcraft. It's about the other changes in my life.
TARA: I trust you. I just ... (looks down) I don't know where I'm gonna fit in ... in your life when...
WILLOW: When ... I change back? Yeah, this is a college thing, just a, a little experimentation before I get over the thrill and head back to boys' town.

Pause.

WILLOW: You think that?
TARA: Should I?
WILLOW: I'm really sorry that I didn't establish my lesbo street cred before I got into this relationship. You're the only woman I've ever fallen in love with, so ... how on earth could you ever take me seriously?

She walks toward the door.

TARA: Willow, please!
WILLOW: Have fun at the fair

It doesnt exactly say the words 'I am a Lesbian' but it is pretty clear that in seasons 5 and 7, so 6 can be reliably assumed too, that Willow is in the mind set of being lesbian.
Plus Joss Whedon stated that she was infact Gay now as fans were thinking it was just a phase(can someone give that reference be it online source of DVD commentary🙂 )

 

[Schillaci]

It doesnt exactly say the words 'I am a Lesbian' but it is pretty clear that in seasons 5 and 7, so 6 can be reliably assumed too, that Willow is in the mind set of being lesbian.

Yeah, look at season six especially. She was just angry all the time, that just screams lesbo!:silly:

 

[master kenobi]

she wasnt angry in my opinion, but man when she is.... god shes hot.... id love to just.... oh sorry must be a diffrent type of "lesbo" 😉

well after tara, she was in fact with kennady.... and she did say to anya " hello gay now" proclaiming she was and is in fact gay.

 

[TabulaRasa]

I love Tara and Willow, Oz is cool, but the love between T/W is pure. I love in season 7 'HIM' and Buffy says..."Willow, you're a gay woman" Haha, that makes me laugh. And she was willing to turn him into a woman, if she was not a full on lesbian I think she would have taken him as is.

 

[Charmed Jon]

I would have to say Tara. Of course it has to be Tara. I mean, IMO, Tara was her true love. Also, I tuned in with 'Hush' so I have always been routing for them. 😀.

 

[SARArb]

I liked oz, but he was boring! Willow and tara.... i don't know, but i liked it! Tara was the only one that she really loved! 🙂

 

[GATEGOD]

Oz, no doubt, the moment Willow met Tara, everything fell to pieces from that point on Willow changed.
I don't see any spark's with Tara/Willow...none at all... I don't know why but i see anything.
Oz/Willow were cute and fun and Happy. Tara/Willow was weird, cute, needy, and angry.
Willow with her evil little spells, lol it is funny that they both leave Willow... More so sad though.
Still Tara had more of a reason to leave Willow, she was using magic on her and wouldn't stop!
Still I don't think she would have done that to Oz, she was going to once, but she didn't.
I Don't know if that means she loved which one of them more or something, but i still prefer Oz.
He was much better for her.

 

[Wiccaness]

Oz, no doubt, the moment Willow met Tara, everything fell to pieces from that point on Willow changed.
I don't see any spark's with Tara/Willow...none at all... I don't know why but i see anything.
Oz/Willow were cute and fun and Happy. Tara/Willow was weird, cute, needy, and angry.
Willow with her evil little spells, lol it is funny that they both leave Willow... More so sad though.
Still Tara had more of a reason to leave Willow, she was using magic on her and wouldn't stop!
Still I don't think she would have done that to Oz, she was going to once, but she didn't.
I Don't know if that means she loved which one of them more or something, but i still prefer Oz.
He was much better for her.

i knew you where going to put something like this lol




I pick Tara for her. Oz and Willow were nice and all but in a high school sort of way

I liked the relationship that Willow an Tara had better because at the time they were both older,and more mature, and it was something real. they found each other and fell in love.
Willow wasn't looking for Tara, and Tara most likely wasn't looking for Willow.they were cute together. and truly loved each other. Tara completed Willow and Willow completed Tara on so many different stages. They both made each other, more confident, stronger, and more loving. I think they represented a more real relationship then oz and Willow did.

 

[GATEGOD]

i knew you where going to put something like this lol




I pick Tara for her. Oz and Willow were nice and all but in a high school sort of way

I liked the relationship that Willow an Tara had better because at the time they were both older,and more mature, and it was something real. they found each other and fell in love.
Willow wasn't looking for Tara, and Tara most likely wasn't looking for Willow.they were cute together. and truly loved each other. Tara completed Willow and Willow completed Tara on so many different stages. They both made each other, more confident, stronger, and more loving. I think they represented a more real relationship then oz and Willow did.

That's hilarious, because Oz loved Willow, and Willow's weeks of agonizing pain afterwards showed she loved him too.
Obviously it was a highschool relationship because they were in high school... then they went to college, and still loved each other.
Right now Willow has screwed tara/willow relationship and couldn't even go one week without magic for the person you think she loved...
Right, there is no way she loved Tara more, and I only posted this because I think Oz was better for her. Tara was just as bad an influence as Amy became.

 

[Wiccaness]

That's hilarious, because Oz loved Willow, and Willow's weeks of agonizing pain afterwards showed she loved him too.
Obviously it was a highschool relationship because they were in high school... then they went to college, and still loved each other.
Right now Willow has screwed tara/willow relationship and couldn't even go one week without magic for the person you think she loved...
Right, there is no way she loved Tara more, and I only posted this because I think Oz was better for her. Tara was just as bad an influence as Amy became.

Do you seriously want to argue with me again, i thought we had agreed that we both had strong apposing opinions.

And i ment high school, as in not really a relationship that serious.

Willow's weeks of agonizing pain afterwards showed she loved him too.

Does that mean that she loved Tara more since she was about to destroy the world?

And Tara wasnt a bad influence, she tried to help Willow with the magics, that would be why she left her. Once Willow got better, she came back to her.

 

[GATEGOD]

Do you seriously want to argue with me again, i thought we had agreed that we both had strong apposing opinions.

And i ment high school, as in not really a relationship that serious.



Does that mean that she loved Tara more since she was about to destroy the world?

And Tara wasnt a bad influence, she tried to help Willow with the magics, that would be why she left her. Once Willow got better, she came back to her.

haha, you are funny, this isn't a serious relationship:

W: Oz, don't you love me?
O: My whole life, I've never loved anything else.

Your opinion this time is wrong, Oz/Willow was a real relationship, to both of them.
And if that's the reason Tara is better for Willow then that is stupid, so if Oz came back now you'd pick him...
Helping Willow with magics is what got Willow into her 'addiction' in the first place.
Oz came back to, could you imagine if he came back after willow stopped being crazy willow.
That would have made for an amazing relationship 🙂 haha

 

[Wiccaness]

haha, you are funny, this isn't a serious relationship:

W: Oz, don't you love me?
O: My whole life, I've never loved anything else.

Your opinion this time is wrong, Oz/Willow was a real relationship, to both of them.
And if that's the reason Tara is better for Willow then that is stupid, so if Oz came back now you'd pick him...
Helping Willow with magics is what got Willow into her 'addiction' in the first place.
Oz came back to, could you imagine if he came back after willow stopped being crazy willow.
That would have made for an amazing relationship 🙂 haha

i meant it wasnt as serious as Willows and Taras relationship, probably should have said that before.....But do you want me to go look for all the quotes that show Willows and Taras relationship was serious.....

Tara didnt help Willow get addicted, if anything i thing she slowed something that would have had happened anyways... Willow started using magic with out knowing anything about in high school, so later on she still didnt know not to mess with dark magic...Tara tried explaining to her, to help her but it was to late.


Dont bother replying, unless its something i feel like i really need to explain again, i wont reply, we already went through this remember.

 

[GATEGOD]

i meant it wasnt as serious as Willows and Taras relationship, probably should have said that before.....But do you want me to go look for all the quotes that show Willows and Taras relationship was serious.....

Tara didnt help Willow get addicted, if anything i thing she slowed something that would have had happened anyways... Willow started using magic with out knowing anything about in high school, so later on she still didnt know not to mess with dark magic...Tara tried explaining to her, to help her but it was to late.


Dont bother replying, unless its something i feel like i really need to explain again, i wont reply, we already went through this remember.

lol I'll reply anyway, you can stop though ^_^
Oz/Willow was just as serious as Tara/Willow

 

[ShyTara]

Willow and Tara did have a better relationship. I mean atleast Tara never Cheated on Willow! Willow and Tara's relationship had its up's and down's. But they loved each other. I mean Willow tryed to blow up the whole freaking world cause Tara was killed plus Killed Warren and did a damn good job of it may i add. Tara and Willow was true love 6 ways till sunday Tara Wins.. lol

 

[GATEGOD]

Willow and Tara did have a better relationship. I mean atleast Tara never Cheated on Willow! Willow and Tara's relationship had its up's and down's. But they loved each other. I mean Willow tryed to blow up the whole freaking world cause Tara was killed plus Killed Warren and did a damn good job of it may i add. Tara and Willow was true love 6 ways till sunday Tara Wins.. lol

no, I'm pretty sure Oz wins, he's still alive ! 😉 lol kidding of course 😉
He wins because Oz loved Willow and vice versa.
If she stayed with Oz and still became super witch,(which she wouldn't have)
Then if Oz died... she would have done the same exact thing.
yada yada yada Oz was great Tara wasn't, too boring, while Oz had his cool quiet factor.
I doubt you'll see reason and I fear that day may never come but I can still try!
Oz in Wild at Heart loved Willow, throughout the episode he was trying not to hurt her.
Just because he failed doesn't mean you can degrade his wonderful character. He loved Willow!
Oz didn't cheat on Willow! he became a werewolf which he can't control and had wolf love with the weirdo.
And he only did this in an attempt to stop her from hurting others and getting hurt herself!
Stop saying he cheated on Willow! He didn't! Willow may see it that way but that's not the case!
He was trying to help the evil Veruca it is not like he really wanted to leave Willow for her!
:: vampire

 

[Wiccaness]

and here i was feeling especial, thinking i was the only one you argued with about Willow/tara/oz

Just because he failed doesn't mean you can degrade his wonderful character.

ok you do know that by saying that, it kinda makes you seem like a hypocrite, you just did that to taras character.

Oz didn't cheat on Willow! he became a werewolf which he can't control and had wolf love with the weirdo.
And he only did this in an attempt to stop her from hurting others and getting hurt herself!

as i recall the ep. he pulls her into the gate, so she wouldnt hurt any one once the sun set and she turned all wolfy....so far i see how he was trying to help


theres just one itty bitty detail missing in that....he pulled her in the cage, into a KISS. Why would he need to kiss her....thats the cheating part,
wouldnt you consider it cheating if the person you love tells you, "im sorry i kissed them but if i hadnt then they would have....______(enter excuse of something bad they would have done, robbed a bank, killed them selves...etc....theres always other ways to help)

and why not kill veruca as a wolf in the cage it was just the two of them,....why do till after, i think part of him still knows whats going on as the wolf, just like he can still smell like a wolf as a human.

 

[Rowan Hawthorn]

And let's not forget: Oz could (and should) have told Buffy and the gang about Veruca as soon as he knew. Oz isn't alone in the group, they've all made mistakes, but this one was his mistake, not Willow's, anybody else's. About the only rational excuse that can be made for his decision is that he was under tremendous stresses at the time; even claiming that he was under the wolf's influence is tenuous at best, as he called Veruca there to his cage (before sundown) specifically with the intent of locking her in. He can claim he was protecting others, but filling Buffy in would have been a better way of doing that; and he can claim he was protecting Veruca, but he was well aware that Buffy and the others wouldn't have been inclined to kill her off-hand, for the same reason that they not only didn't kill him during "Phases," they actively protected him from the werewolf hunter who wanted him for a trophy - and that was before they knew he was the wolf.

 

[GATEGOD]

and here i was feeling especial, thinking i was the only one you argued with about Willow/tara/oz



ok you do know that by saying that, it kinda makes you seem like a hypocrite, you just did that to taras character.





as i recall the ep. he pulls her into the gate, so she wouldnt hurt any one once the sun set and she turned all wolfy....so far i see how he was trying to help


theres just one itty bitty detail missing in that....he pulled her in the cage, into a KISS. Why would he need to kiss her....thats the cheating part,
wouldnt you consider it cheating if the person you love tells you, "im sorry i kissed them but if i hadnt then they would have....______(enter excuse of something bad they would have done, robbed a bank, killed them selves...etc....theres always other ways to help)

and why not kill veruca as a wolf in the cage it was just the two of them,....why do till after, i think part of him still knows whats going on as the wolf, just like he can still smell like a wolf as a human.

He kissed her to get her in she wanted him... she wasn't getting in any other way. Don't you see that?
Why would he kill her... he was trying to protect her and the rest of the world from her. Have you even seen the episode?
The reasons he didn't tell the gang was because he was ashamed that the wolf was having such power over him.
Making him think and smell and feel veruca while he was trying to be happy and love Willow.