President Donald Trump

white avenger said:
Hillary has accepted it, after a night of "crying uncontrollably" also probably multiple curse words and tossing assorted items around, and, quite possibly, making arrangements to transfer large amounts of cash to offshore accounts and relocate to an extradition free country.
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Too true. This made my day.
 
Mr. Pole said:
I said you needed to get rid of the Electoral College. One vote should equal one vote, and it doesn't.
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I can't argue that point, since I've never seen the purpose for the Electoral College in the first place. I assume that there is one, and maybe someone here more informed can explain it to both of us. However, understand it or not, that is the way that the Presidential election is conducted for now. Counting Trump, only 5 Presidents (J Q Adams, R B Hayes, B Harrison, G W Bush being the other 4) have not won the popular vote, while 40 have won both the popular and Electoral vote, so this isn't the first time that such a thing has happened. What makes this one unique is that there weren't any riots when the other 4 were declared winners.
 
brinkster130
brinkster130
There was lots of talk/debate about it after Bush won.
brinkster130 said:
That being said conservative does not equal hating women or being ok with sexual assault.
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That's such an important point, because the media is spinning the story that the majority of Trump voters are sexist, racist bigots. And that all hell is going to break loose in the US with extremist groups like the KKK (which is ironical and hilarious due to Hillary's connections to the KKK). The media is trying to incite even more racial tension with certain news stories (and guess what, it's working).

What really happened is that SO many people were so fiercely anti-Hillary that they voted against her, in what became a two horse race. Even liberals. Those left over from the Occupy movement too. Someone as ridiculous as Trump should never have gotten as many votes as he did.

To say Trump voters are to blame for groups like the Ku Klux Klan having "parades" is like saying Hillary voters are to blame for Benghazi.

The elites didn't want her, they wanted the electoral vote. It seems they didn't forewarn her either, and she was very shocked. I'd keep an eye out for some more Hillary scandals coming out in the media soon, to settle all the liberal rioters. Something so despicable (and true) from her many secret business and personal endeavours that no one would be on the streets fighting for her anymore. Sure, anti-Trump, but not pro-Hillary.
 
Sternbeeere
Sternbeeere
with conservative i meant general development, in my initial post not only Trump vote. Totally agree on Hillary, and I do not see her as a true liberal, democrat at all by the way.
white avenger said:
I can't argue that point, since I've never seen the purpose for the Electoral College in the first place. I assume that there is one, and maybe someone here more informed can explain it to both of us.
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The point of the Electoral College was, the founding fathers feared that the general population when given the opportunity to vote, may elect someone unfit to govern the country. As such they created the Electoral College as a form of checks and balance to override anyone elected as president which they saw as unfit or a danger to the country itself. The point of it is to overrule and discard unqualified persons elected to office. To wit, some would say this election would qualify as the purpose of the Electoral College in the first place.
 
The whole point of the Electoral College is to prevent a true direct democracy, which is believed to lend itself well to tyranny. With a direct democracy it would be easy for someone to come in who was unfit and take over...the Electoral College is there to prevent that.

If they did vote for someone other than predicted it wouldn't be illegal at all. It would be them doing exactly what it was intended to do which is prevent the mass population from falling for a "charismatic tyrant".

You can debate whether or not Trump qualifys as that but you can't really debate if the Electoral College can do it.
 
brinkster130 said:
You can debate whether or not Trump qualifys as that but you can't really debate if the Electoral College can do it.
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And the fact that you have electors, even within his own political party, which are less than pleased with the outcome... I said months ago that the election will be decided in December, and I honestly still would not be surprised if it's not talked. Whether we as the public are known if it is being talked about is another matter, but I do think it's being discussed.

It would, most importantly, be 100% constitutional to reject his nomination.
 
The electoral college was a work of genius. It guarantees that no one can get elected by, say, getting all the votes in the Confederate slave states while not doing well in the rest of the country. And conversely, getting all the votes on the west coast but not in the rest of the country. One thing I have admired about America is its unity, even though someone from Louisiana may have nothing in common with someone from Utah. The unity comes from the president not being able to be elected by a given geographical area to the exclusion of all other areas.

I would not have voted for Trump, but he won, so let's see what he does.
 
Ethan Reigns said:
The unity comes from the president not being able to be elected by a given geographical area to the exclusion of all other areas.
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But that is exactly how it works. They are elected by how well they do they a specific geographical location excluding all of the other areas. That's how it always plays out. Certain counties can sway the entire state vote.
 
I'm seeing different versions of this posted on facebook and I'm not sure if it makes me scared or makes me laugh
 
From what I've read I think the real problem with the electoral college is that it was in place before there were political parties. Now the political parties have taken the college over and are choosing the electors and making them vote party line. This is keeping America from developing out of the two party system and therefor eliminating choice for people. The Greens and Libitarians or anyone will never elect anyone under that system. Minority governments reflecting the will of different regional areas are my favorite, everyone is forced to build consensus in order to keep their jobs.
 
Sternbeeere
Sternbeeere
That is what I see as problematic with the College as well. Plus the whole idea of preventing someone seen as unfit is highly debatable.
GwenRaiden said:
I'm wondering, American BB'ers, as I'm reading a lot on Twitter from unknowns, how is the atmosphere in your towns/states, and how did your states vote? I'd like to hear from real sources.
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I just talked with my cousin who lives in the same small rural East Texas town as our grandmother. Though both pointed out different things, they don't contradict each other. Based on both of them I'd say that GENERALLY speaking it broke down to this:

There was an almost universal hatred against Hillary, for many reasons. Democrats are a tough sell at the best of times, and Hillary didn't have a chance.

That said, people were divided on Trump. While definitely a better choice than Hillary in their minds, many would've sat it out were it not for his VP Mike Pence. He doesn't just talk the talk to get the fundie vote, he's seen as a sincere and true believer, and that drew in votes Trump otherwise would not have had from those who were criticizing of much of Trump's past and behavior (though to get the mindset right, this is more of a Puritan state of mind) in a rural region dominated by churches (church steeples serve as common landmarks for giving directions).

I'd also like to point out that a Clayton Williams was practically already the governor of the state when he had a Trump-like moment talking about rape and a few other things (as explained with the 1990 election here: Clayton Williams - Wikipedia ) that cost a huge reversal of his popularity and thus allowed the surprise victory of Ann Richards as governor or Texas, an open Democrat and feminist. That is to say, it WAS possible for Trump to lose a great many votes in Texas (and probably other Bible Belt states) over his past and statements, but Pence saved the Trump ticket on that front (the general thought probably being Pence will either convert Trump into being a good Christian or God will strike Trump dead leaving Pence in charge--and yes, there are people who think that way).

Even plenty of those who aren't as dominated by religious thought are comfortable with Pence. They see the federal government as more of a pest than a help, and at least back in the 90s it wasn't uncommon for vehicles parked at school (including by high schoolers) to have a rifle or shotgun in them (other parts of Texas regularly let the police go through schools with dogs searching for drugs and guns, and this was before Columbine, so this isn't true of all Texas schools, but it is in the rural town of my extended family). This means that Pence seems less strange to them than Clinton.

I also want to emphasize that this is rural East Texas. Not all of Texas is the same, either environmentally or socially. There are significant differences between East and West, and even more between rural and urban (the latter being more cosmopolitan than many would think, things like this not withstanding). Heck, even Texans born and raised in the urban and suburban regions have made fun of my Texas twang.
 
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GoSpuffy
GoSpuffy
Wow. I read the toy story you linked to. Unbelievable. American's are even odder than I thought.
Rumours are abound that Lee Harvey Oswald is about to be re-incarnated.
 
ILLYRIAN said:
Rumours are abound that Lee Harvey Oswald is about to be re-incarnated.
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And there were people posting about how they were going to pursue a "2A solution" if Hillary won, too.

I was really hoping the nastiness would fade away after the election, but it just keeps going and going. Usually the "post-election hangovers" as I call them are done by the end of February, and maybe we can go back to some sense of normalcy after that this time as well, or at the very least find it focused on actual policies and actions rather than how we feel about a person or the democratic process itself.
 
I would be more worried about what would happen if Trump died in office and we ended up with Mike Pence. He is an evangelical Christian against abortion for any cause, against LGBT rights, fought against immigration for Syrian refugees and loves the idea of the Great Wall of Mexico, defunded public schooling, opposed reductions on coal mining and has a top rating from the NRA on gun control. Trump had better stay healthy.
 
Yup, you should follow the advice of sage leaders... Might've been four years ago, but I guess some could argue there's still some wisdom in there...
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Me? Oh, I'm just here for the popcorn
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Warning
This is off topic,
and the sense of humour is a bit off as well.

Born at that time of year was confusing enough for some, but when their leaders were sage leaders what did those born under the sign of Taurus do? They got bloody confused and all because of them damned Sagetaurus- ians.
 
Oh what a massive disappointment, there is a recording of his interview on TV.
The prospect of missing out on a grown man proving he is a liar. The wall he was promising to build as an election promise is now going to be a fence in parts. Yep he is going to make America great. I think I will go and have a look at the moon.
 
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