President Trump

Trump has taken time out of his busy schedule to disgustingly misrepresent a protest in my country over the weekend. He tweeted this:

"The Democrats are pushing for Universal HealthCare while thousands of people are marching in the UK because their U system is going broke and not working. Dems want to greatly raise taxes for really bad and non-personal medical care. No thanks!"

Those 60,000 protesters were marching to protect our universal health care system. It's one of, if not the greatest achievement of our country. The NHS isn't "going broke", it is being deliberately under funded by our government so that it can be carved up and handed over to private interest groups.

It's not always easy to assess Trumps domestic policy from the outside but it's very easy to call out his self interested, deceitful, bullshit when he's talking about my country.
 
GraceK
GraceK
Everything out of his mouth is bullshit
HowiMetdaSlayer
HowiMetdaSlayer
good luck over there!!
Just want to say as a US citizen, the majority of us did NOT vote for Trump.
Our out of date, illogical electoral college system got him elected.

The media definitely talks too much about him, but he has brought it on himself.

And honestly, after all of his bigotry, racism, sexism, homophobia etc there is no way I could ever back this man.
I mean if he does something good, I won't bash him, but I could still never support him.
#notmypresident
 
HowiMetdaSlayer
HowiMetdaSlayer
amen sister!!
Mrs Gordo
Mrs Gordo
Preach.
Fool for Buffy
Fool for Buffy
Couldn't agree more
The Electoral College was a stroke of genius. Without it, some redneck with 90% support in the former slave states but only moderate support elsewhere could get in and actually revert the country to be like the south. But the Electoral College forces the support to be rated state-by-state so the president is actually the president of all the people because he had to win a majority of the states. In Canada, we have seen Quebec do a lot of sabre-rattling about separating from the country and Alberta creating havoc about oil drilling whereas an electoral college would guarantee that the tail cannot wag the dog.

We all knew that America would have a black president one day but Jesse Jackson was the first to run for nomination. But it couldn't be him - he was too bitter and too used to his pulpit where no one disagreed with him and he proposed no platform outside of black vs. white. We all know that America will have a female president one day but Hilary had too much baggage for a lot of people to vote for and only a generic platform that did not address the decline of the rust belt.

Trump had a brilliant campaign and let his campaign running company continue to run his twitter account when he became president. Being outrageous meant that the Dems couldn't get any media coverage at all - everyone was too busy analysing the latest Trump pronunciamento. When the Dems choose their next candidate, it will be relegated to a one inch column on page 16 of most newspapers. He will get a second term because the Dems are in complete disarray with no platform, no presidential candidate and no clue how they are going to pay for their promises.

A number of companies are repatriating their manufacturing because of SQA (supplier quality assurance) problems in places like Mexico and China. Even though Trump had no input on these decisions, it was part of his platform and he will claim credit for it. The same thing will happen when he torpedoes NAFTA.

As for the #notmypresident movement, he is your president. He was just #notwhoivotedfor and that is a different thing.
 
Fool for Buffy said:
Spoken like a true Canadian. Live on the other side and try being that rational.
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Is your day-to-day life being that affected by what el presidente is doing? Democracy is like being on the boards here - no one is forced to believe what anyone else says about a character or ship on Buffy and the fact that you may be in the minority in some opinion does not mean you are a second-class poster. BTW there was such a large spike in inquiries about how to become a Canadian after Trump got in that it crashed the government servers. Are you saying we need a wall?
 
Ethan Reigns said:
Is your day-to-day life being that affected by what el presidente is doing? Democracy is like being on the boards here - no one is forced to believe what anyone else says about a character or ship on Buffy and the fact that you may be in the minority in some opinion does not mean you are a second-class poster. BTW there was such a large spike in inquiries about how to become a Canadian after Trump got in that it crashed the government servers. Are you saying we need a wall?
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You make good points, I'm just saying for a lot of us it's hard to look toward our president with any kind of trust or admiration. And as a non American it's easier for you to look through the nonjudgmental lens. Does he do a lot to affect my daily life? No. But do his attitude, methods, and beliefs make me worry that he may do something to affect me or someone I care about? Absolutely.
 
BuffyBot22
BuffyBot22
Thank you. Perfect response for what I meant by not my president.
BuffyBot22 said:
Just want to say as a US citizen, the majority of us did NOT vote for Trump.
Our out of date, illogical electoral college system got him elected.
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No, no, no. You absolutely cannot speak for the majority of US citizens.

What got Trump elected was the majority of everyday Americans who were sick and tired of how Obama screwed the country up. A change was needed, and people voted for something different.

It's that simple.
 
Well, the majority of UK people voted for the Tories but thanks to our antiquated system May barely has a government to do things with.
Every system has checks and balances or whatever.
 
thetopher said:
Well, the majority of UK people voted for the Tories but thanks to our antiquated system May barely has a government to do things with.
Every system has checks and balances or whatever.
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Antiquated yes, majority no. She got 42% of the vote.
 
It's true about low voter turnout. Can't say I blame them as the system needs major reform, otherwise it's pretty much junk. I think I vote more out of habit than anything (and care more about the issues than the candidates), and just feel a general sense of futility even when the candidates I vote for win. I mainly hope for minimal damage by the winner than actually hoping they'll do anything wise and noble. I think Democrats and Republicans are roughly at 20% for people who actually love them (it's been years since I checked) with the swing voters very important, many of whom hold their nose as they vote for one candidate or the other. If our electoral system was more like Australia (particularly in IRV but also other factors) then I'm certain both Hillary and Trump would've come in last, and we'd have a different POTUS.

The last election was especially sad, not only in continuing loss of dignity and decorum, but for the first time in my life I saw very little locally (yard signs, bumper stickers, etc) in support of Hillary or Trump, though all the other political brouhaha (state issues, local and state politicians, etc) were normal. I know my area isn't unique, though I know there were other areas that really did get into the POTUS race. Some who voted for Trump were actually voting for Pence (though probably not in Indiana) and/or against Hillary, and I know at least one who voted for Trump hoping it would hasten the fall of the US government so something better can finally replace it (that is, he voted for what he considered the worst candidate).
 
Buffy Summers said:
The electoral college is not perfect, but it's used for a reason.
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They should abolish the winner takes all states. Let the candidate eat what they kill. It would make a difference.

Of course preferential voting would have an interesting impact as well. Could do that and maintain status quo with the EC.
 
Mr. Pole said:
The majority of the people didn't vote for Hillary either.
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They didn't vote for her but she was proven to be the more popular of the two over time. I think the FBI thing did her in at the time.
 
Anyanka Bunny Killer said:
No, no, no. You absolutely cannot speak for the majority of US citizens.

What got Trump elected was the majority of everyday Americans who were sick and tired of how Obama screwed the country up. A change was needed, and people voted for something different.

It's that simple.
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Well if you think Obama screwed up the country (don't think he did from where I'm sitting) then as the saying goes "You ain't seen nothing yet"😉
 
Mr. Pole said:
The majority of the people didn't vote for Hillary either.
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Many people assume that she had the majority because the pro-Hillary media flooded the airwaves with nonsense. On a daily basis, we'd see Hollywood types in political commercials lambasting Trump. He was subjected to an unparalleled level of character assassination and personal attacks. Nude statues in his likeness were on display in front of businesses. And this was actually allowed?!

It is an unfortunate fact that a lot of the public believes everything they see on tv. Most of those people were absolutely sure that Trump would lose. And when Hillary actually lost, not only did I point at the screen, convulsed in hysterical laughter, but her shell-shocked supporters immediately claimed he'd somehow cheated. Oh, really? Really?
 
Mr Trick said:
They didn't vote for her but she was proven to be the more popular of the two over time. I think the FBI thing did her in at the time.
 


Well if you think Obama screwed up the country (don't think he did from where I'm sitting) then as the saying goes "You ain't seen nothing yet"😉
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With all due respect, you're "sitting" in the UK. You're an observer, not an actual participant.
 
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I loled too
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