Question So, why did Angel want Lindsey killed?

[TheVoid68]

Seriously, I didn't get that at all.

 

[BuffyElevated]

I got it... I wasn't happy to see it happen, but Lindsey rode the fence and Angel knew that. Lindsey had worked with the team before in the past and turned on them, and Angel couldn't risk that happening again. I don't think it was necessary to kill him, though, and I thought it was pretty shady that he asked Lorne to do it.

 

[AtVS]

To quote Lorne, "You'll always be apart of the problem, not the solution." - Lindsay was always going to go to whatever side he thought was best for him. He was a very unpredictable character.

 

[dan k]

I thought it was quite straightforward, Angel simply couldn't trust Lindsay. He'd worked with him before and Lindsay still went back to Wolfram and Hart. He'd been the thorn in Angel's side on countless occasions and Angel didn't want to risk him causing any more problems.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

Lindsey was Angel's only true nemesis the entire show; he was the only human that could, in one way or another, go toe-to-toe with Angel. Lindsay was Angel's Joker. His death, albeit not from his own hand, was the only true victory Angel had.

 

[Marisa]

Obviously because Lindsey was super pretty and Angel couldn't have that 😉
Honestly it is because Lindsey didn't have the best track record I loved him regardless and was a little ticked that he died but lets face it one minute he would want to do good then the next he was making another plan. That was just Lindsey and ultimately it played a part into Angel never being able to trust him completely and later on having him killed.

 

[TheVoid68]

So it was just because Lindsey might, at some indeterminate point in the future, turn on them? Gee Angel, way to give a guy a second chance. I thought it was something like that at first, but then I thought that that was too douchebaggy to be right. Turns out I was wrong - S5 Angel is a douchebag. (IMO)

 

[Wesley]

Some indeterminate point in the future? Second chance? You sir are short sighted.

Lindsay had a chance, when the blind chick was trying to kill the kids. He went back to WR&H.

Lindsay had a second chance, when he and Angel took down the body farm, Angel let him go and said never come back or it's curtains for you.

Lindsay then came back three years later. Not only did he come back but he put a mole in Angels office and hatched a plan specifically and with malicious intent to firstly destroy Angels sense of self, then kill him. He impersonated Doyle, tried to have some crazy bug kill Angel, tried to have Spike kill Cordelia, then he tried to release some huge tentacle monster to kill Angel and then he decided to just try to stab him to death with a sword.

He only agreed to help Angel after he broke him out of prison and promised him the chance to run WR&H because Lindsay was 'the devil he knew.'

I get liking Lindsay, he has charm. I get being sad that he died, I kind of am. I get having problems with Angel having his court jester handle it. However he really deserved what he got and Angel absolutely was in the right to finish him. Lindsay was not apart of the solution.

 

[white avenger]

I never really got Angel's decision either. For that matter, the whole "spit in the Senior Partners' eye" was, as near as I could see, a really lame way to end the series. Regardless of what Lindsey MIGHT have done in the future (and we have seen before that, in the Buffyverse, fate, even death, are not unchangeable) the very fact that Angel knew about it meant that he could be ready to handle it when it came. Angel was in a situation where he needed every fighter who he could have gotten his hands on. To throw away what amounted to 25% of his fighting force, 20% even if Wes had survived, went beyond stupid all the way to suicidal. But then, from its very inception, the entire thing was stupid and suicidal, as well as totally, ecen criminally, irresponsible, since it resulted in literally millions of people being transported into hell and thousands, at least, dying there. Why, if Angel put so much stock in Lorne's abilities, didn't he sing a few bars himself, find out whether or not his decision was or wasn't the best one, and act accordingly? Conversely, why, if he was so sure that Lindsey was going to betray him, didn't he kill him himself? Why hang that kind of responsibility on Lorne? The entire "After The Fall" arc is just another example of Angel's single largest flaw, his titanic ego. He truly believes that he knows what is best for everybody, so why shouldn't he go ahead and play god with everyone else's lives?

 

[GrrArghx]

Gotta agree with others here. Lorne's "I've heard you sing" to me was pretty much saying Lindsey has given them that "same old song and dance" before. So, Angel had him taken care of before it happened again.

I'm just indifferent about it. I love Lorne so much and I hate that Angel had him to do it, but it was never something that made me incredibly P.O'd at Angel. It was shocking and I couldn't believe he did it, but I guess I do get it. For the most part.

 

[Taake]

I get liking Lindsay, he has charm. I get being sad that he died, I kind of am. I get having problems with Angel having his court jester handle it. However he really deserved what he got and Angel absolutely was in the right to finish him. Lindsay was not apart of the solution.

I agree.
I like Lindsey, I think he's a terrific character. But from Angel's point of view this was a guy who was always going to go for the power.
Lindsey always strived for power, even when he rebelled and toyed with the idea of turning his back on it all, he still chose power.

No matter what Lindsey would have done in the future it would have involved said thing.

And just because once a year he gets a bleeding heart and decides to do one good thing it doesn't make him a good guy deep down. Lindsey looked after himself and his interests first and foremost. Nothing wrong with that, except he did it at the expense of others.

 

[Marisa]

Gotta agree with others here. Lorne's "I've heard you sing" to me was pretty much saying Lindsey has given them that "same old song and dance" before. So, Angel had him taken care of before it happened again.

I'm just indifferent about it. I love Lorne so much and I hate that Angel had him to do it, but it was never something that made me incredibly P.O'd at Angel. It was shocking and I couldn't believe he did it, but I guess I do get it. For the most part.

Same here I am not P.O'd that Angel had Lorne do it I just feel since it happened Angel should have done it. Like Lindsey said you don't take me out Angel takes me out. Plus Lorne is not one to be that way and that is kind of why I liked him saying don't look for me maybe after all this he can be at peace and have a new bar that doesn't get destroyed. 🙂

 

[Taake]

Same here I am not P.O'd that Angel had Lorne do it I just feel since it happened Angel should have done it. Like Lindsey said you don't take me out Angel takes me out.

I do feel sorry for Lorne having to do that but from Angel's side it was a bloody brilliant move.
I mean he didn't have time for starters to engage in some fight to the death with a minor threat (compared to the army from hell)
And also simply put... Lindsey didn't see it coming, as I'm sure was the plan.

Besides that whole "Angel kills me" line from Lindsey just plays into how much weight he puts into power once more. He wants the powerful guy to kill him, his 'archnemesis' if you will, because he thinks he's important enough to warrant Angel's attention for that.

But sorry dude, to Angel you were a footnote in that fight. Not the headline.

 

[Marisa]

I do feel sorry for Lorne having to do that but from Angel's side it was a bloody brilliant move.
I mean he didn't have time for starters to engage in some fight to the death with a minor threat (compared to the army from hell)
And also simply put... Lindsey didn't see it coming, as I'm sure was the plan.

Besides that whole "Angel kills me" line from Lindsey just plays into how much weight he puts into power once more. He wants the powerful guy to kill him, his 'archnemesis' if you will, because he thinks he's important enough to warrant Angel's attention for that.

But sorry dude, to Angel you were a footnote in that fight. Not the headline.

That is a different way of looking at it and it makes complete sense. All the fighting that was happening for Angel example Marcus he didn't have time for Lindsey and Lorne doing it was a complete blindside so from that point of view it is good.

 

[TheVoid68]

Some indeterminate point in the future? Second chance? You sir are short sighted.

Lindsay had a chance, when the blind chick was trying to kill the kids. He went back to WR&H.

Lindsay had a second chance, when he and Angel took down the body farm, Angel let him go and said never come back or it's curtains for you.

Lindsay then came back three years later. Not only did he come back but he put a mole in Angels office and hatched a plan specifically and with malicious intent to firstly destroy Angels sense of self, then kill him. He impersonated Doyle, tried to have some crazy bug kill Angel, tried to have Spike kill Cordelia, then he tried to release some huge tentacle monster to kill Angel and then he decided to just try to stab him to death with a sword.

He only agreed to help Angel after he broke him out of prison and promised him the chance to run WR&H because Lindsay was 'the devil he knew.'

I get liking Lindsay, he has charm. I get being sad that he died, I kind of am. I get having problems with Angel having his court jester handle it. However he really deserved what he got and Angel absolutely was in the right to finish him. Lindsay was not apart of the solution.

OK, maybe Lindsey had already thrown away his second chance. But I still don't think that that's valid grounds to execute him. If Angel had killed Lindsey during the fight in Your Welcome, I would have no problems with that. It was the cold-blooded assassination that made me think "that's not the Angel I knew".

 

[Anya2012]

Lindsey always reminded me of Alex Krycek from the X-Files. They are so similar: Both have had their hands chopped off, they only work for themselves whenever it suits him, they both helped their arch rivals in the end.

I think Lorne saw evil in Lindsey when he read him in DEAD END and he would keep turning on the gang. But I never did understand why it had to be LORNE to kill him. A pacifist. Someone who didn't really like violence. Why not Wesley?? Why not Spike?

 

[caitaintdead]

Season 1 Angel - "We're not in the business of giving up on people" "It's about saving someone's soul" Yada yada yada. He was happy to have cuddles with Faith who had killed people in cold blood, tried to poison him, tried to kill Buffy, tried to kill Buffy's mother, stole Buffy's body which was almost effective in getting Buffy jailed and executed for crimes she did not commit, beaten innocent people that just happened to be in the wrong place, teamed up with Wolfram and Hart, tried to kill Angel (again), horribly horribly tortured Wesley and was involved in a major plot to kill every single person in Sunnydale amongst more.

What happened to this Angel that we had got to know throughout 8 seasons? Suddenly he is asking his friend to kill people? I understand doing things for the greater good, but really, if that's the argument, wouldn't there have been a possibility that killing Faith would have been for the greater good?

The killing of Lindsey, to me, was a very dark shade of grey that I wasn't happy with.

 

[Skanky Vamp]

What happened to this Angel that we had got to know throughout 8 seasons?

That was the point; he finally bucked up and did what needed to be done. Killing Drogyn, Lindsey. He wasnt trying to play by human rules as everyone around him did not. He had a chance to win the game, a chance that would never happen had he followed his 'rules'

What happened in those eight years? Angel grew up.

 

[dan k]

Angel knew that to stay afloat he needed to make tough decisions such as killing Drogyn otherwise he wouldn't be able to con the senior partners. He didn't want to kill Drogyn but he thought it was a sacrifice needed in order for the greater good. Some people will say it is wrong and fundamentally it is but on the other hand what would have happened if he decided against killing Drogyn?

As Spike said there is always casualties in war and Angel decided Drogyn was an acceptable casualty. What gives him the right to decide? Well he is the leader and just like Buffy it was down to him to make the tough decisions. People say Buffy didn't have the strength to kill Ben well Angel differed in the fact that he did have that strength and cold hearted nature needed.

 

[TheVoid68]

I love shows about heroes, not Generals.