Spike and Dru In "Lies My Parents..."

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Maybe this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it, so...

As vampires, how did Spike and Dru get back into his home? His mother obviously didn't invite them in, because she was surprised to see him. Assuming that there were any servants, they would almost certainly not live there in the house, so they couldn't have done the inviting. Even if they did, I would think that the area that constituted their "home" would be their private quarters, not the entire house. Angel had to trick his baby sister into inviting him into his former home, so the invitation rule applies there just like any other human home.

So, did I miss something, or did the writers just commit a little screw up that no one else caught?
 
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Rayne
Good question
Sounds like a little screw up. 'Cause when Angelus was turned, he had to wait on his little sister to invite him in. So how did they get in?
Good post. 🙂 I always love finding new little continuity errors! 😛
 
white avenger said:
Maybe this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it, so...

As vampires, how did Spike and Dru get back into his home? His mother obviously didn't invite them in, because she was surprised to see him. Assuming that there were any servants, they would almost certainly not live there in the house, so they couldn't have done the inviting. Even if they did, I would think that the area that constituted their "home" would be their private quarters, not the entire house. Angel had to trick his baby sister into inviting him into his former home, so the invitation rule applies there just like any other human home.

So, did I miss something, or did the writers just commit a little screw up that no one else caught?
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Good question, my guess would be the servants quarters scenario. Private quarters would still be part of the home.
 
Wow, I can't believe I never noticed that.
Maybe it's something to do with the fact that Angels parents didn't want him in the house whereas Spikes mum wanted him there...I don't know that's probably stupid and lacking in the sence making.
 
I would suggest that it was probably because William (aka Spike) owned his house, thus he would be able to enter it. Spike's father is never mentioned so this, to me, suggests that he died while William was very young (and perhaps explains why he is a bit of a mummy's boy). In Victorian times the widow would probably not inheret the property, but rather it would have been held in trust for the son until he came of age.
 
Tranquillity said:
I would suggest that it was probably because William (aka Spike) owned his house, thus he would be able to enter it. Spike's father is never mentioned so this, to me, suggests that he died while William was very young (and perhaps explains why he is a bit of a mummy's boy). In Victorian times the widow would probably not inheret the property, but rather it would have been held in trust for the son until he came of age.
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That would be my guess, too. But then, William was dead, so did he still own the house? We've been told several times that a vampire is not a human with fangs.
 
That is one of those continuity errors I missed, and I usually spot them all. 😛 Good one, WA. (sw)
 
Hmmm..It's truly tricky.
One could assume that William actually owned the house, and his mother didn't. I'm no expert on 18th century stuff, but I think it's like women couldn't own a house. William's father died, and automatically William got the house. The owner of the house now being dead, makes it possible for any indead to enter.
It's almost the only way for it to be possible.

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Aw shootie poop! True Paperdoll. I always forget how it works. I just thought 1880 = 18th century. No wonder I never passed History. *les sigh*
 
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itsxpaperdoll
Agreement, but it was the 19th century (sw)
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Rayne
It's funny how the rules just know to change...
Perny said:
Hmmm..It's truly tricky.
One could assume that William actually owned the house, and his mother didn't. I'm no expert on 18th century stuff, but I think it's like women couldn't own a house. William's father died, and automatically William got the house. The owner of the house now being dead, makes it possible for any indead to enter.
It's almost the only way for it to be possible.

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Aw shootie poop! True Paperdoll. I always forget how it works. I just thought 1880 = 18th century. No wonder I never passed History. *les sigh*
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I still like your explanation best.

Isn't it funny how Spike was almost born in the same century as Buffy, where Angel was born WAY back, yet in real life, Marsters is 14yrs. older than Sarah, yet Boreanaz claims to be younger than SMG?
 
BuffyElevated
BuffyElevated
LOL Ohhh, ok I see now! :)
Buffyverse Fan said:
I still like your explanation best.

Isn't it funny how Spike was almost born in the same century as Buffy, where Angel was born WAY back, yet in real life, Marsters is 14yrs. older than Sarah, yet Boreanaz claims to be younger than SMG?
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When did Boreanaz claim to be younger than her? He's eight years older than she is, and this can easily be looked up, so if he said that, dude is obviously either crazier than I ever realized or was making a joke.
 
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Buffyverse Fan
The answer is in the sig
I can't believe you're all MISSING this!

Angel (Liam) was KICKED OUT of his father's home as a human. So he no longer LIVED there. Meaning as a vampire, he could NOT enter without invitation.

Spike (William) still LIVED at his house at the time of his death. Therefore, yes, he could enter- no invite needed.
 
^i don't think thats how it works. William was killed dead. He couldn't re-enter his Moms house again by himself as now it was a demon and not William. I bet it was his moms house. The most logical reason is seeing as they're rich, then they tricked a servant into letting them in.
 
BillyIdolWannaB said:
^i don't think thats how it works. William was killed dead. He couldn't re-enter his Moms house again by himself as now it was a demon and not William. I bet it was his moms house. The most logical reason is seeing as they're rich, then they tricked a servant into letting them in.
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Aw.... goofy-silly-nincompoop! Of COURSE that's how it works! It doesn't matter WHOSE house it was. (Like an apartment... it doesn't matter that you don't OWN the place, but if you LIVE there, a vampire cannot enter without invitation... which is why any vampire can go into a hotel room, because it's public accommodations....)

So you see... Spike (William) LIVED THERE at his/his mother's house. Angel (Liam) was kicked out by his father - he no longer lived there, so he needed an invite as a vampire. : king :
 
Maybe you're right, he had to get in somehow. Idk, i just assumed it didn't work like that. So Spike lived there, but he's dead now. A New being in 'spike'. And it was his moms house, not his.
 
I've never heard any sort of loophole mentioned on the show that allows a vampire to enter the home of a living person just because he (the vampire) had, while living, either lived in or owned the house in question. Remember, William was dead. In effect, he no longer existed. He was replaced by a demon who animated his corpse and retained his memories. One of the rules with vampires in the Buffyverse is that they have to be invited into the home by someone who actually lived there AND considers it their home. Remember how Kokistos and Mr Trick could come into Faith's motel, but Angel had to be invited into Fred's room at the Hyperion, even though he owned, or at least leased, the building. Obviously, Faith, at that time at least, just considered her room as a place to sleep, while Fred immediately thought of hers as her home and sanctuary.

I don't see how this scene can be anything other than a screw up on the part of either the writers or the episode's final editor, as in, maybe there was a scene shot actually addressing this issue, but they just didn't have the time to include it in the episode.
 
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