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November

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I have definitely evolved since the last spirituality thread. Thought I'd put a line out and see who else would like to share their beliefs or spiritual ways of life. What drives you? What practices do you engage in?

I missed Church this week so I am a bit underfed so to speak!
 
I believe in God, I don't believe in the crap mankind or more than likely man / the church has stated what God said.
I was brought up a Quaker and that began a belief in God not the church. I restrict my beliefs to nature and the power of man.
 
I follow a pagan religion (basically just the worship of nature if you strip it down to fundamentals) although I would say I'm more agnostic, I'm not sure if there is something else (I'm leaning more towards no), but practising rites and rituals makes me feel more connected.
 
Ah, the spirituality of Astrology, now that would be a fun subject to discuss.
 
November
November
Go for it! Its linked into this subject, it'd still be on topic in my opinion.
I have definitely evolved since the last spirituality thread. Thought I'd put a line out and see who else would like to share their beliefs or spiritual ways of life. What drives you? What practices do you engage in?

I missed Church this week so I am a bit underfed so to speak!

I am a Christian. I believe Jesus, the Lord and the Holy Spirit guide my steps. They know what's best for me, even if I may not always know what's best for myself. I believe the universe and life is God's creation. I believe God made us in his own image, to have fellowship with him. I believe Jesus is preparing a mansion for us in heaven, where we will rise again as He did after this life. I believe in the divinity of the holy word of the Bible.

Hope that answers your question!
 
November
November
It does, thankyou :)
I believe in God and I’m a Catholic, though I don’t agree with some of the Catholic Church’s teachings. You don’t have to go to church all the time to show you’re religious imo.

 
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Agnostic but with hints of spirituality here and there. I always say that if I had to pick a religion, it'd be Buddhism, mostly for the spirituality and the belief in karma and fate.
 
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thrasherpix
I once read a Buddhist magazine that seriously made me thinking of exploring it more and maybe converting (OTOH I did check it out when I was younger and decided it was not the path for me).
My extended family's mostly Catholic (Scots/Irish). The 'rents are non-practicing/agnostic. Just plain old atheist, myself. 😳
 
What does spirituality mean, what is it, how would you describe it.
I looked in dictionaries, The Concise Oxford was very unhelpful,
the Oxford Students dictionary didn't even list the word.
So what do you say spirituality is?
 
Sorry for the typos, its too cold to get out of bed! Tying on my phone brings out a different side than the laptop does!

I consider myself Christian. Some people think religious Christianity is all the same, but its not. I consider myself christian because I came to God through Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus lived and died and rose again.

I have been through lots of stages. All of what I have learnt lead me back to the truth of Christ. My best mate is buddhist, I've studied their meditations and taken what worked for me. Before that I adored taoism, and still do as a doorway, but my understanding has evolved past it. I've done yoga, tai chi, qi gong, all leading me back to the truth of the word. I Read up on witchcraft,but it scares me. I dabbled in pagen rituals. I did "new age" type moon rituals, but these are linked to the bible. I use crystals, but more as a way to change vibrations, similar to the way I use music, prayer, plants and dance. I worship creation.

I started reading the Qu'arn but got scared off because I take this stuff seriously, and there were passages saying along the lines of, you must obey once you know, and I know I couldnt obey. I've listened to dreamtime stories, been gonged, used binaural beats, practiced energy healing/reiki and experienced some far out meditations (both with and without the aid of drugs).

Returning to the catholic church as an adult did not work out for me, but the catholic translation of the bible is still the most beautiful book I have ever read. (I am forever thankful to the BBer who sent it). Other translations don't feel as if the beauty of the flow has been kept.

I lived in a very, very strict Dutch reformed community. They were wonderful people, but I have to say, in my experience, waaaay more cult-like than the Jehovahs witnesses are. I studied with the JW, and again, a congregation made up of truly wonderful and charitable people, but the belief that we remain on Earth made me too depressed. I want off this rock. This isnt my home. I could say far more on that, but wont, its too out there for most.

Worship is extremely important to me. So is the eucharist. Catholic services are not available where I am, so I go to an Anglican church now which runs in town most weeks. The people are not trained and beliefs vary. The body and blood of Christ doesn't feel the same, but I guess it is the tradition that I am attracted to. They are leading me towards higher study, but for now I am unconfirmed. Uni hasnt worked for me the last two times, I'm not sure it'll be a third time lucky thing. I am more complative than preachy. I'll have a spiritual director by the end of the year. I am scared of Christmas though and sometimes wana run back to the JW's just to avoid it.

Meditation is an awesome experience for me, but what I do is nothing like the apps. Although they're probably a good start for many people who are searching for the spirit.
 
I have literally zero 'faith' or belief in gods and it feels like that's becoming a minority these days, especially amongst my generation. I wonder what changed.

I will say though, I was not raised in religion, so that probably colours a lot. I don't believe children should be forced to pray to something they don't understand or live their entire lives in this strict box just because of where they happened to be born in the world. Humans are very strange to me in how we like to arrogantly distinguish ourselves from the rest of the animals by believing we have a higher meaning.

No offense intended, that's just my belief.
 
ILLYRIAN
ILLYRIAN
For most of that I agree.
Blaze
Blaze
One of my childhood memories is having to ask for forgiveness, was 5yo and said I was sorry for hitting my brother. Priest told me it wasn't good enough and I must have bigger sins than that. Religion can be seriously messed up. Now atheist, shocker
In year one of High school we were told to go to church, being a Quaker a church was against my religion all the crass finery of the church. But being forced to sing and pray got my back up. A kid of 9 telling adults that I refused to go to church didn't go down well. They were full of threats until I mentioned religious persecution by them. Yep those were the days.
 
it feels like that's becoming a minority these days, especially amongst my generation. I wonder what changed.

I agree! I have noticed it too, more and more people of our age seem to be turning towards faith. I also wonder what has changed. It was not like this a few years ago, but now there are people trying to hook in to a higher power everywhere. Less organisational, more spirit driven.

Psychiatry boils it down to having no hope and finding it again through belief. Brain chemistry 😉 Meditation was not a valid treatment in 2004, but it is now. Watch how they cash in on it.

Humans are very strange to me in how we like to arrogantly distinguish ourselves from the rest of the animals by believing we have a higher meaning.

It depends on the faith. The Lords prayer "may your kingdom come, your will be done" translates to some as - put us into this world as the animals are, living each moment for what it is, at the will of creation. Some consider that to be Heaven.

Lots of popular mindfulness meditation is based on no more than living with only awareness of that moment. As the animals are. (But I have to say, in working with so many animals, they can be corruptible too!)

No offense intended, that's just my belief.

Never any taken 🙂 And I hope none taken on your side either. It would be a bloody boring discussion forum if we all agreed. The art is in discussing without hatred, which seems to be getting lost (at times just because people read a post in a tone it is not intended in, coming into it looking for a fight, which you're not).

In year one of High school we were told to go to church, being a Quaker a church was against my religion all the crass finery of the church. But being forced to sing and pray got my back up. A kid of 9 telling adults that I refused to go to church didn't go down well. They were full of threats until I mentioned religious persecution by them. Yep those were the days.

The same thing happened to me. I was baptised Catholic and by that, when I identified like that, it was against the religion to practice another. But it did expose me to other religions, it did expose me to more, and it did change my religion, which is probably why it is against the religion. I was so mad as, an 8 year old, that I couldn't take communion at a Lutheran church. I remember saying to some of the "born in" Jehovahs witnesses that I was at times, jealous of them - they were un-corrupted, they didn't have to find their way back, they were safe within their community living quite a care free life. Absolutely solid in their belief, which I found admirable.

Are you able to share more on being a Quaker? Are you still? I had read a bit and considered going to a meeting before, but I wasn't sure how. It is very interesting and in some ways a bit like my meditation - when things come to me they come through me. I just don't do well in crowds.

The Bible, to me, is not mans word but mans observation of God. Different translations can skew this. Forms of study can also skew this. I have a hard time trusting what is taught over what is known within.

I always say that if I had to pick a religion,

Can anyone pick a religion if they truly believe? Or are you lead to it? That's another point of interest for me - I would pick Catholic but it has not worked out (I adore tradition, its like a dance in worship) yet where I am now feels "right", like the path is not so hard. Less force, more flow.
 
Bluebird
Bluebird
You are very open and honest, and not easily offended - that makes for good discusssion right off the bat lol
I have literally zero 'faith' or belief in gods and it feels like that's becoming a minority these days, especially amongst my generation. I wonder what changed.

I agree! I have noticed it too, more and more people of our age seem to be turning towards faith. I also wonder what has changed. It was not like this a few years ago, but now there are people trying to hook in to a higher power everywhere. Less organisational, more spirit driven.

Christopher Partridge (scholar of occulture and spirituality under postmaterialist values) says something akin to ”never underestimate mankind’s longing for an enchanted world”, may play into it.

, but the belief that we remain on Earth made me too depressed. I want off this rock. This isnt my home. I could say far more on that, but wont, its too out there for most.

Time for some good old fashioned gnosticism sounds like! Though I imagine that most forms of gnosticism today takes place is some form of esoteric order with Christian roots rather than an organized tradition. But, that may be due to my location which has few options still, due to the previous dominance of the state church (Lutheran), not a lot of gnostics here.
 
November
November
I'll have to look that one up! :D

It took me way too long to put an "A" in front of that and understand the word hahaha. Thanks for giving me some more stuff to google tonight 😀
 
Taake
Taake
You're welcome! You may find their ideas on Sophia, and Christ enabling rescue from the physical, lower, world interesting :)
I'm probably agnostic and very sceptical of anyone who tries to tell you they've got all the answers. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult though most of the people in it are nice but some ugly shit beneath the surface - very transphobic, very homophobic, very anti education especially higher, a lot of purity culture, very patriarchal and they ruthlessly shun questioning members including children like Catholics they have horrible problems with peadophiles because their insularity and looking after their own is a greater priority to them than submitting to justice and protecting children. They aren't great about kids generally shoving them into service aka. being evangelising pests very young and getting them to clean kingdom halls. Check out Telltale Athesist and John Cedars You Tube channels - both helmed by ex JWs if you want to go down that rabbit hole. This is before we get into their horrendous anti blood transfusion policy that needlessly martyrs many of them including children. Like Scientology and Mormonism founded by con men too.
 
Meditation is an awesome experience for me, but what I do is nothing like the apps. Although they're probably a good start for many people who are searching for the spirit.

I like meditation too. Think I first learnt about it from watching the TMNT 1987 series in the 90s. Splinter suggested that the Turtles meditate with him for a while to help them calm their thoughts in the series finale Divide and Conquer. Got a better understanding of meditation years later in secondary school when a few teachers talked about it and practiced it. There was a special room for meditation.
 
November
November
Cool :) It just gets better, it'll be a lifelong practice for me, I hope!
@Taake You're welcome! You may find their ideas on Sophia, and Christ enabling rescue from the physical, lower, world interesting 🙂

Whoa. Absolutely interesting...! I have so much more reading to do! I do wish I had found this stuff sooner but going but what I've read... well its all part of the journey ay.
 
Skanky Vamp
Skanky Vamp
You should read the Laughing Jesus
I can chat a bit about Quaker meetings, about your religion as a child what country were you born in? If Australia can you say what is the religion of Australia? Was Australia settled by England during the time it was a Protestant country, if so Australia is a Protestant country, I think.

Quaker meetings are more about being sat in a room in silence until your spirit wills you to speak on how you can improve your life. That, and listen to others at the meeting. There are no regimented prayers and no regimented songs. Quakers see no sense of worth in having highly decorated blokes preaching to them in highly decorated buildings called churches. Heck that is close to being Pagan.

The one thing I did like was the reason for having stained glass windows.

When I left the Quaker belief I looked at other religions and wondered why they sought to go to war against each other or chose to harm other religions. I chose a belief that got picked on by all religions yet didn't appear to will harm on those religions.
I still call myself a Quaker to certain people, its easier to say I'm Quaker than a witch.
 
I believe in science and nature.

@Bluebird and @Octavia I know you guys are not that old, but there is a theory out there that people become more religious as they age and are faced with their mortality. I have witnessed it first hand with some of my older family members who became more religious over the years. Of course that doesn't mean it's the only factor driving religious, but I do believe people are more prone to look elsewhere for spirituality, whether that be religion or something else, as they get older.
 
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