Spuffy #7 - General Discussion

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1. What do you is the most important or influential thing that Buffy has said to Spike? What about Spike to Buffy?

For Buffy to Spike: "You faced the monster inside of you and you fought back. You risked everything to be a better man. And you can be. You are. You may not see it but I do. I do. I believe in you, Spike."

For Spike to Buffy: "You listen to me. I've been a live a bit longer than you, and dead a lot longer than that. I've seen things you couldn't imagine, and done things I prefer you didn't. Don't exactly have a reputation for being a thinker. I've only my blood, which doesn't exactly rush in the direction of my brain, so I make a lot of mistakes, a lot of wrong, bloody calls. A hundred plus years, and there's only one thing I've ever been sure of -- you. Hey, look at me. I'm not asking you for anything. When I say I love you, it's not because I want you, or because I can't have you, and it has nothing to do with me. I love what you are. What you do. How you try. I've seen your kindness and your strength. I've seen the best and the worst of you, and I understand with perfect clarity exactly what you are. You are a hell of a woman. You're the one, Buffy." (Obviously!)

2. Do you think that Buffy is still in love with Spike? Do you think Spike is still in love with Buffy?

Spike is most definitely in love with Buffy. I think that's the one thing we definitely can't contest. Buffy's always been kind of a closed book to me, because I don't know what Joss'll do with her, since there's still constant insistence for her undying and overwhelms-everything love for Angel (not that she can't be in love with both of them). But not trying to predict how Joss will write her, and just judging from the show itself, yeah, I think she is. At the very least, she loves him.

3. If someone asked you why you love Spuffy so much, what would you say if you only had one sentence to explain?

They've been everything with each other.

4. Why do you think Spike and Buffy are right for each other?

They've gone through this amazing, tumultuous journey through the seasons, far longer and more complicated than any relationship on the show, and they've been everything from enemies to friends to grudging allies to lovers to confidantes to the-season-six-thing to sparring partners (though not in that order, and sometimes concurrently). They've grown with each other and learned from each other. Buffy inspired Spike to become a better person, even to the point of getting a soul for her. Spike gave her back the 'fire', pulling her back from the dead and back to the living, metaphorically speaking. The entire path of their relationship is just so fantastic.

Plus, they're really snarky.
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Great answers! :)
1. What do you is the most important or influential thing that Buffy has said to Spike? What about Spike to Buffy?

Buffy:"I believe in you, Spike."
Spike: "You listen to me. I've been alive..."

2. Do you think that Buffy is still in love with Spike? Do you think Spike is still in love with Buffy?

Spike? No doubt. Buffy? Absolutely, even if she's not willing to admit it. He's her soul mate.

3. If someone asked you why you love Spuffy so much, what would you say if you only had one sentence to explain?

So, I'm going to cheat a bit, and borrow from Angearia's picspam
Why I Ship Spuffy: http://angearia.livejournal.com/200713.html#cutid1

Spike and Buffy destroy each other out of shame, selfishness, and rage then they lift each other up through forgiveness, trust, and love until they embody grace and effulgence.

I think that sums Buffy and Spike up beautifully.

4. Why do you think Spike and Buffy are right for each other?

The think the question should be, how are they not right for each other? Spike and Buffy know each other inside and out. They're been everything to each other. They've come full-circle. They trust, love, respect, and admire each other. They are best friends, allies, and partners. Together, they can do anything.
 
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Gum Gnome33
Gum Gnome33
Wow, that picspam and quote describe the beauty of Spuffy so perfectly, thanks for sharing!
1. What do you is the most important or influential thing that Buffy has said to Spike? What about Spike to Buffy?

I love the answers already given (and I think they are the right ones) - but just to be different I've thought of some alternative answers...

Buffy to Spike - "All right. Talk." (Becoming part 2) - Buffy gives Spike a chance and that's the beginning of everything 🙂

Spike to Buffy - "Death is on your heels, baby, and sooner or later it's gonna catch you. And part of you wants it... not only to stop the fear and uncertainty, but because you're just a little bit in love with it. Death is your art. You make it with your hands, day after day. That final gasp. That look of peace. Part of you is desperate to know: What's it like? Where does it lead you? And now you see, that's the secret. Not the punch you didn't throw or the kicks you didn't land. Every Slayer... has a death wish. - Because it helps Buffy understand her job better


2. Do you think that Buffy is still in love with Spike? Do you think Spike is still in love with Buffy?

Spike is still in love with Buffy - I'd be very surprised to learn that that wasn't the case. Spike will always love Buffy

Does Buffy love Spike? I'm less confident with this one. I hope she does . . . I think she does . . . they've got a lot of crap to sort out before Buffy will admit her feelings for him.


3. If someone asked you why you love Spuffy so much, what would you say if you only had one sentence to explain?

Because the show made me believe in them 🙂


4. Why do you think Spike and Buffy are right for each other?

Because they understand one another so well. They have faith and trust in one other and are, at the end of the day, very good friends who are smokin' hot together too 😉
 
1. What do you is the most important or influential thing that Buffy has said to Spike? What about Spike to Buffy?

Love all the ones said so far. Am trying to come up with some different ones.

Buffy's speech to Spike in season 7 that gave him his fight back. That was pretty important.

2. Do you think that Buffy is still in love with Spike? Do you think Spike is still in love with Buffy?

Spike will always love Buffy and nothing will ever convince me otherwise. And I do think that Buffy loves him too. Even though it's not as obvious.

3. If someone asked you why you love Spuffy so much, what would you say if you only had one sentence to explain?

Honestly, just because they move me.

4. Why do you think Spike and Buffy are right for each other?

Because they can be in love and still see who the other person actually is. They can accept every part of each other. From season 7 on, anyway. 😀 And that's so awesome, that I can't even describe it properly.
 
1. What do you is the most important or influential thing that Buffy has said to Spike? What about Spike to Buffy?

I think the most crucial scene was in "Never Leave Me" when Buffy says she believes in Spike; and Spike's speech in "Touched" - "You're the one, Buffy".

2. Do you think that Buffy is still in love with Spike? Do you think Spike is still in love with Buffy?

Yes and yes. Both are deeply hurt and in denial, but that's another matter. The season only starts; to make the story interesting, writers must have room for development.

3. If someone asked you why you love Spuffy so much, what would you say if you only had one sentence to explain?

Mortal enemies fall in love - is there a story more fascinating?

4. Why do you think Spike and Buffy are right for each other?

To put it simply, they're a pair of lemons. Agents of free will who go agaist the rules and do the impossible.
 
Yes, I have. Been working hard because there are many things I want to submit. I'm on 9/17!
 
Yes, I have. Been working hard because there are many things I want to submit. I'm on 9/17!

My date is the 10th October so I have a while. I should get started though, I usually leave things until the last minute! I have no inspiration this round, I'd like to do a fic because I've not written one in a while, but I have no ideas.

I'll probably end up doing icons, wallpapers and banners again. Maybe recycle an idea from a couple of years ago that went down well.
 
I'm the other way around, I can't wait that long, I want to get going with things as early as possible.

Surprisingly, I've been working less on fanart. I did write my second fanfic ever. Now that it's about finished, I started working on fanarts, not really sure what I'm making.

Too bad you have no inspiration. But you know what? no one will notice because you make such amazing things.

Oh, and I've been working on a new song, Spuffy inspired. Not just lyrics, but a complete song. Is that even okay to submit a song?
 
It's okay to submit anything, as long as it's Spuffy related.

I'm excited for SS to start! Some new Spuffy every day? Yay!

Isn't it times like these when you're thankful for being a Spuffy? 😀

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Oh! And also I wanted to ask you if you've submitted a banner this round?
 
Isn't it times like these when you're thankful for being a Spuffy? 😀

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Oh! And also I wanted to ask you if you've submitted a banner this round?

For the header contest? I did, but it's not very good. That lack of inspiration thing is really a pain. 🙁
 
For the header contest? I did, but it's not very good. That lack of inspiration thing is really a pain. 🙁

Yes.
And I'm sure you'll do fine, you always do.

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Did you submit a banner?

I did. For the first time, hope it's gonna be fine 🙂
Do you have any idea when they will be posting them?
 
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xaphania
Did you submit a banner?
I'm pretty sure that I'm on October 3rd. I'm not quite sure what I'm going to do yet.

I am really excited though!!
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Ooh, #2 is definitely the best.
Tranquillity
Tranquillity
I just voted for #1 - those blue eyes just get me :)
wickedtiger86
wickedtiger86
I voted 2 but . . . 3 was a close one, just cuz I love that pic of James. So so much . . .
Time for some new questions....

1. "This is how it goes" by Aimee Mann is used to great effect in the S. 7 episode Sleeper. The song contains the line "So I try to hold on While you try to let go". . . Thinking of Buffy and Spike, particularly in season 7 (and beyond), who do you think is trying to 'hold on' and who do you think is 'trying to let go"? why?

2. Do you think James and Sarah's/Spike and Buffy's chemistry stands out in any season/episode, or is it equally potent in all of them?

3. Are there any benefits at all to Spike/Buffy in comic art over Spike/Buffy in live performances?

4. Do you think (comic artist) Georges Jeanty has a better handle on Buffy or on Spike?

5. In a Spike/Buffy universe, who would you ship Spike and Buffy's other love interests (Dru, Angel, Riley, Satsu etc...) with, if anyone?



Questions not big winners this week? 😉

Here I'll answer them anyway and hopefully, with Season 9 staring later in the week it will give us something to talk about....



1. "This is how it goes" by Aimee Mann is used to great effect in the S. 7 episode Sleeper. The song contains the line "So I try to hold on While you try to let go". . . Thinking of Buffy and Spike, particularly in season 7 (and beyond), who do you think is trying to 'hold on' and who do you think is 'trying to let go"? why?

I love this song and it seems to be really appropriate for Buffy and Spike. While I think that you could make arguments for either, I always think that in season 7 it is Spike trying to let go and Buffy trying to hold on. I think that Spike is trying to live his life independent of his love for Buffy (trying, not always succeeding) you can see this in the way that he accepts Buffy's 'date' with Wood, his offer to leave town and indeed his reluctance to contact Buffy at all post-chosen. Buffy is 'trying to hold on' in that she has great faith in Spike since he got the soul and doesn't want to see him crumble under the pressure of adjusting and also with the 'i'm not ready for you not to be here yet" and in having his chip removed.

2. Do you think James and Sarah's/Spike and Buffy's chemistry stands out in any season/episode, or is it equally potent in all of them?

I really like their chemistry in season 5 in that it is sort of under the surface and just hinted at - Fool for love has explosive chemistry between the two actors. Season six is obviously very 'chemistry-oriented'. How can you look at Afterlife, Once more With Feeling, Tabula Rasa, Smashed and not see the chemistry!

3. Are there any benefits at all to Spike/Buffy in comic art over Spike/Buffy in live performances?

No. I can't really think of any. At first you think the benefit would be the fact that there are no limits - anything can happen on the pages of a comic book. But that isn't necessarily a good thing! Witness the spacefrak as evidence! I would hate them to do that to Buffy and Spike!

4. Do you think (comic artist) Georges Jeanty has a better handle on Buffy or on Spike?

Buffy. I'm not a huge fan of Georges Jeanty's artwork; but just occasionally he'll do a panel that hits you right between the eyes (Buffy crying after Faith inherits everything comes to mind) but I've yet to see a drawing of Spike that gets that kind of emotional reaction. The cover in the December solicitations (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1109/10/darkhorsedec.htm) is the best I've seen him draw Spike. Hopefully as he draws Spike more regularly he'll get better at it.

5. In a Spike/Buffy universe, who would you ship Spike and Buffy's other love interests (Dru, Angel, Riley, Satsu etc...) with, if anyone?

Dru with no one - She should just make a new 'plaything' and be done with it.
Angel and Cordelia 🙂
Riley and Sam - hated Sam in As You Were. Loved her in the Riley one-shot.
Satsu - I don't know her well enough to ship her with anyone.
 
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You're welcome! And thanks. 🙂 I left out the part about going to a Season 9 panel with Georges Jeanty. He said that poor Scott Allie is tormented by the Buffers (his word for Spuffies) and the Bangels. He also said that Joss says that Angel is Buffy's soulmate, but is unattainable. And that Spike is the one Buffy would end up with, even though he's not perfect (like Angel is???) He said that Joss wants Spike to be a main character in the Buffy comic now. He asked for a show of hands to see how many Spuffies and Bangels there were. And I'm happy to report that the Spuffies far outnumbered the Bangels. One Bangel was obnoxious though.

😀

I NEED DETAILS!
 
Tranquillity
Tranquillity
You beat me! I just came to post this :)
Gum Gnome33
Gum Gnome33
Yay! And, Angel's "perfect?" BAH HAH HHAAHAH...that was a joke, right? :S
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zobothehobo
Spike is the one Buffy would end up with?! KLSJLDSJKLFJDSLKFJLSKDF
He also said that Joss says that Angel is Buffy's soulmate, but is unattainable. And that Spike is the one Buffy would end up with, even though he's not perfect (like Angel is???) He said that Joss wants Spike to be a main character in the Buffy comic now.

I would love to see this as a direct quote from Joss rather than as a "He said" sort of thing. As good as this sounds, until it comes directly from the source (preferably in a video that we could post) I have trouble hanging all of my hopes on it.

On the other hand, WE KNEW IT ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!
 
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Thanks for that info Moscow!

Of course anything that comes form the PTB must be taken with caution - I mean that is really a huge bit of information for Georges to let slip. And while I believe that this is the sort of information that Joss would give the creative team to allow them to understand the characters better, i'm not sure he'd want that out in the public domain - I mean, way to spoil the illusion of the 'triangle'.

Though I will admit that in my more optimistic moments this is the exact scenario that i thought would eventuate; Angel and Buffy = soul mates but because this is ultimately an abstract, unworkable, impractical concept that she would find real love with Spike.

But for the moment (and really, I will remain cautious about our ship) can i just say Woo!! And add a Hoo!! for good measure 🙂


Also - Any Spuffy-related thoughts on Buffy Season 9 #1?
 
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