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Any thoughts regarding Georges Jeantry's recently expressed opinion that "it's no secret that Buffy loves Angel more than Spike"
(see Whedonesque for link)

As sueworld put it "why didn't anyone ask him if Angel is so much more important to Buffy than Spike, why is Spike even in the picture? Why not just leave him out of it altogether?"


Anyhow, with the Twangel stunt, Buffy will dust him to hell biggest love of her life or not. She already did it before.
 
For me, Angel and Buffy are over. So Spike and Buffy didn't end up together. I've read enough comic spoilers to know I don't want to read them, so I live with the story I've got. It seems unlikely they'll ever start up the show or do a movie - the actors are really a bit old now for that (not that I wouldn't want them to do it - I just doubt they will). So I ship Spuffy even though I assume they'll never end up together in any official way (in my mind I can pretend they do down the road, and no one can prove me wrong!). The up side of this is, going by this same rule of the shows being over and the story done, Bangel didn't make it either.
 
But why do you say it's a "fact" that Buffy and Spike won't make it? Why do you try to crush what little hope I have left? 🙁

I'm just trying to prepare myself for the worst. 🙂

In my heart, they're always be together.

Don't forget, apaprently there's something in store for us that will drive us "wild." Perhaps there is hope for the Spuffies yet.

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I pretty much accept that, more than likely, Buffy and Spike will not "end up" together. I don't mind - I don't ship them for the happy ending. I don't like white-picket-fence-happy-ever-after-lovey-dovey-mushy-over-the-top-romantic-speechifying couples. That's why I love Buffy and Spike. Because they are the antithesis of stereo-typical romance and yet, I still find them undeniably romantic. They have a connection that is superior to any other relationship in the 'verse and I think that that will only ever change when they both die. Buffy may live 'happily ever after' with someone else, but they'll always have to contend with Spike's presence in her life (and heart).
Agreed totally. This is exactly how I feel as well. You've said it perfectly.

And then I remember Joey and Pacey and think, well you never do know how it's gonna turn out...
Good point. I was always a big Joey/Pacey shipper, but honestly never thought they'd end together. After all, the show was always "about" her and Dawson. Yet, in the end, look how it turned out. So there is hope.

Any thoughts regarding Georges Jeantry's recently expressed opinion that "it's no secret that Buffy loves Angel more than Spike"
(see Whedonesque for link)

My thoughts? It makes me sad. But yes, it's just his opinion so I will choose to ignore it. Maybe that's called denial, I'm not sure.

It's just that lately...the Bangel's seem to be winning this little war of ours. Hell, even the writers of the series are freking Bangels. It's all looking very bleak for us.

Even if Buff ends up with Captain Forehead in the end, I'll always 'ship Spuffy. I don't care if they have no future together. Like you say, the impact they had on each other's lives and the connection they had was real. There's no denying that.

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As sueworld put it "why didn't anyone ask him if Angel is so much more important to Buffy than Spike, why is Spike even in the picture? Why not just leave him out of it altogether?"


Anyhow, with the Twangel stunt, Buffy will dust him to hell biggest love of her life or not. She already did it before.
True. She'll do what she has too.
 
So, today I was thinking about songs that fit Spuffy, and I started to think about them when I was listening to this song, "Blind" by Placebo.

If I could tear you from the ceiling
And guarantee source divine
Rid you of possessions fleeting
Remain your funny valentine

Don't go and leave me
And please don't drive me blind
Don't go and leave me
And please don't drive me blind

If I could tear you from the ceiling
I know the best have tried
I'd fill your every breath with meaning
And find the place we both could hide

Don't go and leave me
And please don't drive me blind
Don't go and leave me
And please don't drive me blind

You don't believe me
But you do this every time
Please don't drive me blind
Please don't drive me blind

I know you're broken
I know you're broken
I know you're broken

If I could tear you from the ceiling
I'd freeze us both in time
And find a brand new way of seeing
Your eyes forever glued to mine.

Don't go and leave me
And please don't drive me blind
Don't go and leave me
And please don't drive me blind
Please don't drive me blind
Please don't drive me blind
Please don't drive me blind
Please don't drive me blind

I know you're broken
I know you're broken
I know you're broken


Isn't it perfect?
 
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Emzzie
oh wow I love it!
Aw, guys, don't give up! If it makes anyone feel better, I still have hope for them! Granted, I only know vaguely what's going on in the comics, but I still think there's a chance. Spike's always been the underdog, right? Buffy would never love him, he'd never feel without a soul, he'd never fight to win his soul, he'd never beat Angel, etc, etc, etc--yet he did all of those! And if Bangel has the advantage over us, well, to quote Mal: "Everyone always does." And Mal and his crew do just fine for themselves, right?

Don't forget that Joss lives for underdogs. How boring would it be if the more likely winner actually won? 😉
 
It's just that lately...the Bangel's seem to be winning this little war of ours. Hell, even the writers of the series are freking Bangels. It's all looking very bleak for us.

I dunno, last I heard from Joss he said that B/A is like Romeo & Juliet, a 'kiddie romance'. "'Twilight', if you will."
What Jeanty said is irrelevant ("it's no secret" oh really? ), he didn't even bother to read Whedon's previous interview (like Angel, Spike is very important to Buffy)
 
white avenger
white avenger
And ew know how happily Romeo and Juliette ended,
It's interesting to me to see the what other ships people root for. It seems to be the Bangel shippers also like Bill & Sookie in the SVS, while Spuffy shippers are more likely to ship Eric & Sookie. This is one of my fave book series so that's why I bring it up so much 😉 I've noticed that the people I'm more likely to be friends with are Spuffy shippers. Like there are certain personality types drawn to either side. It'd be an interesting study on human nature, to design some kind of psychological study based on popular ships. My sister watched Angel before Buffy, and Spike won her over. My best friend's only in season 3 and she already likes Spike better than Angel, for the same reasons I gave on the thread that got locked. But I bet anything my mom (love her dearly but we are so different!) would ship Bangel, if she would ever watch Buffy in the first place.
 
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xaphania
One of the reasons I don't like Bill/Sookie is because it's just too Bangel-like.
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
I agree for sure that different personality types prefer different ships. I've said before that I relate to Spuffy better because it more closely resembles the conflicts I've encountered in my previous relationships.
Fic rec - one of the cutest fics I've read in a while. It's still a WIP (five chapters posted) but it's just fantastic so far. Can't link to it, as it has a higher-than-PG13 rating, but it's posted at The Spuffy Realm and Elysian Fields, as well as Sotia's LiveJournal.

The Tooth Fairy by Sotia/ssddgr
Once upon a time there was a vampire. He was bad, and rude, and very-very alone. Until one day, he got a visit by someone who wasn't supposed to exist. Then again, he wasn't supposed to, either. (AU, not AH)
 
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Joan the Vampire Slayer
Read that one! I rec it, too. ;)
What Jeanty said is irrelevant ("it's no secret" oh really? ), he didn't even bother to read Whedon's previous interview (like Angel, Spike is very important to Buffy)

The fact is, that unless and until the subject is definitely concluded within the Buffy/Spike/Angel story line, nothing that anyone, even Joss, since he has stated before that he would not hesitate to change or ignore canon for the sake of a good story, can be seen as anything but opinion. Furthermore, even if and when Buffy is allowed to live happily ever after with one or the other of her vampire lovers, there are quite a few members of the opposing ship who will still be insisting something along the lines of, "Yeah, but she's gonna wake up someday very soon and come to her senses. This whole thing is really a mistake," or "This is Alternate Universe Buffy. The REAL Buffy still loves (fill in the blank) the best."

Frankly, the debate, the banter, the challenge of defending Spuffy against the poor deluded Bangels is one of my favorite things to do here, and I'm sure that there are quite a few people in the Bangel camp who feel exactly the same way about Spuffies. It's one of the things that keeps the story fresh and alive for me, and I wouldn't change it for the world.
 
Wishing Oceans
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Frankly, the debate, the banter, the challenge of defending Spuffy against the poor deluded Bangels is one of my favorite things to do here, and I'm sure that there are quite a few people in the Bangel camp who feel exactly the same way about Spuffies. It's one of the things that keeps the story fresh and alive for me, and I wouldn't change it for the world.
This is my favorite post today, and I fullheartedy concur. 🙂
 
This is my favorite post today, and I fullheartedy concur. 🙂

I kind of agree. The ship debates are fun, until people's feelings start getting hurt. Shippers aren't going to relent, and things can get quite nasty...

Joan the Vampire Slayer agrees: Read that one! I rec it, too. 😉

Sotia's fics are fab, and she is a great beta, too 😀

Another rec to share, this is a drawing done for me by the fabulous dontgetanyolder. I requested Spike/Buffy and she made this pic for me. 😀

Spike/Buffy by dontgetanyolder

I'm excited to see what this looks like in real life.
 
Here recc'ing again. coalitiongirl has some of the best new Spuffy fics being posted at the moment. She creates AU versions of Sunnydale that are really inventive and highly entertaining. Definitely recommend her stuff for anyone who wants to read a good fic.

I can't link directly, but she's at all the Spuffy fic archives, and livejournal.

Her current WIP, Prodigal is excellent. Summary:

After killing Angel, Buffy ran away and never returned. Now, over three years later, the next Slayer has been killed by Glory, and Buffy is needed again. But she returns to find that Sunnydale doesn't want her- especially not the witch gone off the deep end and the newly resurrected Slayer whose boytoy is the only one who seems happy to see her"¦
 
Originally Posted by Joan the Vampire Slayer
It's just that lately...the Bangel's seem to be winning this little war of ours. Hell, even the writers of the series are freking Bangels. It's all looking very bleak for us.

Ubi4soft wrote:
I dunno, last I heard from Joss he said that B/A is like Romeo & Juliet, a 'kiddie romance'. "'Twilight', if you will."
What Jeanty said is irrelevant ("it's no secret" oh really? ), he didn't even bother to read Whedon's previous interview (like Angel, Spike is very important to Buffy)

I know it sometimes seems like the whole world (and more particularly) any one who has anything to do with the continuation of Buffy seems to be pro-Bangel but I don't know, it just makes me more determined to ship my ship. And, in a weird kind of way, it gives me some confidence that Spuffy may yet 'win the day' or (more likely) at the very least survive to be fanficed and debated for a long time to come. I mean, what could be more boring than the ever expected, completely obvious Bangel ending? Narratively, you don't want your ending to be an anti-climax (Think the HP7 epilogue - total yawn!) and one that pans out just the way 'everyone' thought it would is fairly elementary story-telling. Joss is better than that. And Joss himself gives me a lot of hope too. He is the one who matters in this story and he has had some truely wonderful things to say about Spike in the last few years. I just don't think that he is ready to write-off Buffy and Spike's relationship off just yet.
 
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HP7 epilogue yawnage karma ^^
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My previous post with the above quotes was deleted due to link to other Buffy/Angel/Whedon forums without asking permission from Buffy Summers

So, after being told by the staff not to post it, you went ahead and did it again anyway?

I've read the FAQ's about the links:

From now on I'll refrain from posting links even they're for interesting articles and hope not to be banned for that.

Your rudeness will not get you your way. ********* has specifically asked that posts from their board NOT be reposted here. THAT is why your post was deleted.

But you know, frankly, it's my board and if I want to clear links to other Buffy and Angel forums I will. End of story. End of discussion. Posting rants on the board will not be tolerated and serves no purpose.

Now, please back to the topic.
 
...I will cut that tension with nice Spuffy videos I found on youtube.
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJB1dNAnEww"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJB1dNAnEww[/ame]
This one is amazing!!! 😀
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeJjf5M-os4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeJjf5M-os4[/ame]
 
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