The Great Captain Marvel Cover Up Conspiricy

thetopher said:
I also think its good to separate the actor from the role they play; I can't stand Sean Penn and yet he's in some decent movies. I will continue to enjoy many Kevin Spacey film roles despite those characters looking like creepy-Kev.
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I totally agree in general, but some people just get to you, y'know. I don't wish Brie Larson ill or anything, but I won't pay to see her. Since I don't have a previous impression of her or her work to build on, the marketing of this movie is all I have to go on.

I think its a problem when Hollywood tries to (or even seems to) heavily cater to an agenda.
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Agreed, I think people today are pretty hungry for something that is less politicized and therefore when something, even if it just seems like it's there, smells of agenda, there's a quick counter-reaction to it.

However, I don't think Disney did itself many favors in this case and Youtube was open about changing their algorithm to feature "authoritative" sources when you searched for BL's name which rankled people, in combination with the changes to Rotten Tomatoes and their glitch which lost thousands of reviews and bumped up the ratings of the movie, ... I'm just saying, I've seen conspiracy theories built on a lot less. If the next step is believing that they're buying out empty theatres to boost their numbers, it only seems natural. If the handling of the bad press of Captain Marvel had been better, essentially, I think this would've been shrugged off more easily.

Trasherpix has a point though, all of this drama is mostly a concern online, not to regular people who go to see movies without being heavily involved in fandom. So the number of people who are genuinely upset about it, or believe in the conspiracy, is probably vastly overstated. From both sides.
 
Lmao, I just saw that there is a bit of an "outrage" that Captain Marvel is wearing glamorous make up in the End Game trailer. Seriously. From conspiracies to whyyyyy make-up!!! People need to get offline, stat. None of this matters.
 
I just wish Monica Rambeau got treated with the respect she deserved. She to me is the REAL Captain Marvel. They did her dirty in the film by making her a child and having her looking up to Carol but not as much as Marvel did to her in the comics.
 
Well there's so many holes in this bullshit its unreal! The first one simply being it hasn't been a flop!🙄

People read the facts Captain Marvel (film) - Wikipedia

Its been out just one week and has already made close to $600million worldwide. That's from a budget of under 200mill. At this rate it will do a billion. Explain how to me that is a flop?😵
 
It's entirely plausible. If they think better reviews and numbers will help turn a bigger profit in the future then I have no trouble believing they'd do it. Haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on the quality. I think the superhero genre is bound to slow down soon though, maybe it's just time.
 
Anyanka Bunny Slayer said:
I do know that I have absolutely no interest in a female superhero film. So this news comes as no surprise to me.
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thetopher said:
But Captain Marvel isn't the single linchpin on which the future of the Marvel-verse turns. There are other new characters that have been introduced to replace existing Avengers and there isn't a dud among them imo.
KF and other Marvel execs might be banging the feminist drum, but that's just marketing strategy since they've taken so long to give us a female led film. It's hype which all films have in one way or another.
My reading of Captain Marvel is that she's about as powerful as Thor or Iron Man (which fits), not the most awesome-ist hero ever 'coming to show the guys how its done', which is what the nerd-ragers had been predicting/moaning about- without even seeing the movie- for ages.

YouTube was full of would-be movie reviews going on and on about how the trailer looked sh***y and harping at BL's own comments like its legitimate film criticism. Whatever.



Iron Man is an almost impossibly high bar for most other superhero movies, but The first Captain America movie was basically 'a solidly OK origin film' too, just like the first Thor movie was OK.
And yet those characters went on to have much stronger sequels (Winter Soldier/Civil War and Ragnarok), in fact both of them immediately improved in the Avengers crossover movie.
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So what? No body's saying from a studio standpoint that its not about marketing, money etc... It pretty much always has been and will while there's a capitalist society. But that doesn't mean this movie isn't a positive thing. That doesn't mean that the filmmakers, and cast etc.. don't believe that its a progressive movie. Besides if you think about it, that its a marketing thing is actually positive because it means that in this case women are being treated as equals to men. Part the problem in the past was that women were being passed over for roles or not given the marketing of the men because of their gender.

This is just a bit typical of society nowadays. Every time there is a glimmer of something positive, people have to find something to knock it. If someone doesn't like the movie then fine. But they shouldn't just make BS up just to drag it down and look for things that are not there.
 
thetopher
thetopher
I have zero idea as to why you're quoting me. I'm defending the film. :/
The Bronze said:
It's entirely plausible. If they think better reviews and numbers will help turn a bigger profit in the future then I have no trouble believing they'd do it. Haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on the quality. I think the superhero genre is bound to slow down soon though, maybe it's just time.
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But it hasn't. Again read the numbers above its been a smash. Besides its been proven time again that the public don't really listen to critics, so the reviews wouldn't have made a difference anyway.
 
I think the movie is just a stepping stone into introducing the X-Men. Skrulls were a feature in the X-Men comics too.

 
Mr Trick said:
Every time there is a glimmer of something positive, people have to find something to knock it. If someone doesn't like the movie then fine. But they shouldn't just make BS up just to drag it down and look for things that are not there.
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There's nothing positive about a mediocre Marvel film, especially when it's compared to the really GREAT ones, like The Avengers, Iron Man, Captain America 2 & 3, Thor: Ragnorok, Avengers: Infinity War, etc. Comparisons are inevitable, so of course many people are going to hate on Captain Marvel. "Passable" just won't cut it. It's not enough to have some generic chick in a superhero outfit.

(Most) people aren't completely stupid; they know when a certain agenda is being pushed. And if that agenda happens to poison something they love, unpleasantness will ensue. Why? Because it's insulting. The majority of fans who've grown accustomed to spectacular Marvel films are naturally pissed off.

Captain Marvel feels more like a subpar DC film. Perhaps they should've cast the cat. Thank God we can at least look forward to Avengers: Endgame.
 
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Spanky said:
Most Marvel movies are mediocre though. This is the 22nd Marvel film. With the exception of a handful they are just cookie cutter mass produced filler movies whose sole purpose is to set up the next movie in the franchise.
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Those handful were incredible enough to bring in new fans (like me) and make A LOT OF money. I'm including the X-Men films...though I preferred the "first" ones that featured Hugh Jackman and company. Fantastic Four was pretty good, basically because Chris Evans kicked ass as Johnny Storm. (And I adored Julian McMahon!)

But if it turns out that Marvel is moving on from Bucky and Loki, I'm done. I know what I like.
 
Skanky Vamp
Skanky Vamp
Still, the point is five or six good movies out of 22 is not that great. So it's not surprising that Captain Marvel sucks.
DeadlyDuo said:
I think the movie is just a stepping stone into introducing the X-Men. Skrulls were a feature in the X-Men comics too.

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Part of me hopes they can link Rogue's origin from when she steals Ms Marvel's powers, but I think that's wishful thinking. I do, however, think that Captain Marvel is a natural stepping stone to introduce some random X-Men characters in and honestly if it includes a rebooted Rogue (perhaps even as a baddie against Captain Marvel in the first instance), I'd be all over it. Rogue has been seriously underserved by the movie franchise.

As for Captain Marvel, I unashamedly loved it. I would never say it was perfect, but it was perfect for me - a simple 90s kid who was told the same sh*t over and over that Carol was. This movie represents me, I'm happy about it.

Honestly, Brie Larson says a couple of things about inclusivity and representation and the snowflakes really do turn all keyboard warriors. I think the review bombing for the movie was atrocious behaviour, but Black Panther experienced similar and that was all soon forgotten after it became.... oh I dunno..... one of the biggest movies ever. There really isn't a conspiracy here - the movie came out, people went to see it, my experience was the cinema was full (for the first time in a long time!) and so unless Disney now own Box Office Mojo too, there's really no way for them to inflate viewing numbers. The movie's doing well, some people don't want to see this movie do well, so they're all boohoo about it.

It's super fun, and I'm going to add to its box office by seeing it again soon.
 
GraceK
GraceK
I loved it too. Got a serious Buffy vibe towards the end!
Athena said:
Part of me hopes they can link Rogue's origin from when she steals Ms Marvel's powers, but I think that's wishful thinking. I do, however, think that Captain Marvel is a natural stepping stone to introduce some random X-Men characters in and honestly if it includes a rebooted Rogue (perhaps even as a baddie against Captain Marvel in the first instance), I'd be all over it. Rogue has been seriously underserved by the movie franchise.
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I think it would be a wasted opportunity not to introduce Rogue into the MCU via Ms Marvel when the origin story is already there.
 
DeadlyDuo said:
I think it would be a wasted opportunity not to introduce Rogue into the MCU via Ms Marvel when the origin story is already there.
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Well now Disney own Fox, and Rogue isn't part of the current franchise cast..... it does seem like a wasted opportunity. I know she's not the most popular X-Men character, but their histories are so intertwined.

And if they do Rogue, maybe they can also stick a lil' bit of sweet Cajun honey in there too..... 😉😀
 
Athena said:
Well now Disney own Fox, and Rogue isn't part of the current franchise cast..... it does seem like a wasted opportunity. I know she's not the most popular X-Men character, but their histories are so intertwined.

And if they do Rogue, maybe they can also stick a lil' bit of sweet Cajun honey in there too..... 😉😀
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Right there with you 😛 It's such a shame we never had Rogue and Gambit on screen together, maybe in the MCU
 
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