The New Doctor Who! (actor)

Not really interested for three reasons.

1/ I don't care about carrying the show on when the Timeless Children and a female Doctor are canon. Erase those things, in fact erase New Who and start with a new 9th Doctor and then we'll talk. (You'd need a hiatus for that, but that's okay as the show is due one after its catastrophic fall in viewers. It kind of makes me bitter that New Who has been allowed to carry on despite being a total flop since really Capaldi's second season whilst better series including the original and Angel were cancelled for less, just because the people that make this are in with the bricks, but hey that's tv for you.)

2/ Don't get RTD in! He is part of an obnoxious clique who took over DW in the 90s when it was off the air, and have never let it go. Him, Moffat, Chibnall ugh. They all think alike and have no ****ing clue how to write true DW. They write a cheap soap opera, or a low rent Buffy. I'd like to see one writer at least try and update the classic era in a proper way. IE write the Doctor as the Doctor, do a focus on adventures on alien worlds, sci fi, have companions from all over time and space, just update the effects from classic who, and maybe trim it a bit and yes by all means include some modern tropes, like maybe a romance between the companions, but make it DW!

3/ This guy just looks like another conventional leading man that RTD can use for straight forward hero stories and make into a romantic lead. The Doctor is supposed to be an eccentric alien who is played by an offbeat character actor. The type that you normally wouldn't see leading a tv like William Hartnell, Jon Pertwee, Tom Baker etc.

I wish the guy luck as he seems like a nice chap, but I'm not sure if I'll be bothering.
 
Consensus is that the show is at a twenty year low in terms of UK ratings; hemorrhaging viewers after every single Chibnall episode. There is a good reason that the BeeB is bringing back RTD; utter desperation.

Also it has literally been cancelled before because of much less.




Which have been leaving in droves. Who do you think were hacked off more by the Timeless Child garbage than the core fans?


Anyway, he can only hope that a fresh face and and old writing hand can restore the show's status. At one point it was one of the flagship BBC shows that they loved to show off.

True and it may well just go out of style, and then be rebooted in another 5-10. But I still tend to think there's enough of a core audience who will watch it anyway. Also most big shows are suffering ratings decline because of the growth of streaming services and more niche shows becoming popluar.

Strange term utter desperation when you are talking about one of the best Who writers of his generation. That's a bit like a football team signing a world class striker and the press calling it utter desperation because the team had been performing badly.

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United re-signing Cristiano Ronaldo? Utter desperation.

😉 😛

But it's more like when a team brings in Carlo Ancellotti mid season when they've slipped to 12th in the table...
 
Mr Trick
Mr Trick
I had Ronaldo in mind too when I said it!
Uh…yes! Indeed! I too watch and keep up with sports and know exactly what you’re talking about! 😉

I'm not sure I agree the show's on the critical list, ha! Its too much of a brand name to be in any serious danger. There will always be a core fanbase. As long as he's decent then good writing should take care of the rest. It was the writing that let the last Doctor down big time from what I hear.

I think you’re right. If Star Trek has taught us anything in recent years, you can show whatever you want on television/streaming regardless of quality and it will, somehow, still get renewed! 😵 The landscape has changed so much and now more than ever companies continue to renew established IPs because they’re safe bets with guaranteed returns.
 
If Star Trek has taught us anything in recent years, you can show whatever you want on television/streaming regardless of quality and it will, somehow, still get renewed! 😵
Oh God, like Picard? That show is such an embarrassment. Poor Patrick is just too old for all of this now. Yet the show is on its third season. *shrugs*
 
Mr Trick
Mr Trick
Picard has its moments IMO and overall is sharping up to be a let down.
thetopher
thetopher
"Unmitigated disaster" is the most quoted line from that show for a reason.
Plasma
Plasma
I dunno about you, but when I think “Star Trek” I definitely think “franchise full of brutal violence and constant hatred towards each other” 🙄
The early reviews for Strange New Worlds are good at least 🙂
 
Plasma
Plasma
I need to give that a watch. All of these new Trek shows start ok at worst, so we’ll see how it shakes out.
I'll need to see (I know, these words will sound like terrible clichés to some) pathos, gravitas and someone who might look young, but can manage to look ancient and older than their years.

I need to see him turn on a dime from all the fun and silliness (he may have to tone down the flamboyance) to the part of the role that's been neglected for the last few years... Think Time Lord Victorious. The part of the role that also calls on actors to get dead serious, fiercely intimidating or even a bit scary. It's certainly not a NuWho thing at all, either. The Doctor has always had that in him.

The Doctor has it in him to be absolutely ruthless in both how he runs away from attachments (romantic and otherwise--he knows he will ultimately leave everyone he's ever loved behind) and metes out fates to his enemies alike. He can be a complete arse and hypocrite (certainly is in regards to any claims of pacifism--and I don't just mean retconned Time War genocide angst--not his first genocide!). RTD needs to bring back some of this material pronto to remind an audience that might have forgotten at this point. Yes, the Doctor is wonderful, but he's a lot like Peter Pan, terrible qualities as well as all the childish adventurous fun.

The happy-go-lucky thing is a façade covering a much darker personality that has faced profound loss and carries the tired weight of eternity. Ncuti needs to understand this, because Jodie didn't know enough about the show to ever figure it out.

These are the things I'm not seeing in Ncuti's clips.

I think one of his early episodes really needs one of these moments where a Doctor who seems all goofball fun and bubbling joy on the surface just gets deadly serious and scary. "Nobody human has anything to say to me today!"

Until I see something deep and impactful of that nature, I'm going to be skeptical. I want something that will break my heart. I have a suspicion I won't be getting my romantic, tragic hero Doctors back, but I need more. RTD, luckily, does know how to write this and ironically was more cynical than "Everybody lives!" Moffat ever was. But I also hope Ncuti realizes he can't just reprise his own personality or his zany, flamboyant 'best of' Sexual Education performance clips, because the Doctor is a lot more than that.

Do a Jon Pertwee (comic actor who went out of his way to play it straight) and play against type. I'd be more impressed.

A lot of previous Doctors actually played quite a lot of VILLAINS. Before and after. Certainly true of Troughton, T. Baker and Tennant. You get a bit more idea of the weightier side of what those actors could bring, even from their work previous to the Doctor. These are actors who played roles like Rasputin and Barty Crouch, Jr. prior to the Doctor.

Actually, Troughton seems to have played an absolutely absurd number of priests. LOL.

Mostly eccentric (sometimes villainous) character actor parts are a pretty constant theme for previous actors in the role. Before and after they played the Doctor. Peter Davison, Paul McGann and Jodie Whittaker (especially her) probably had the least-eccentric filmographies of the bunch.

For all the flamboyance and sexiness of Tennant's Casanova (the role that literally got him the Doctor), the ending of that drama is actually deeply SAD. It's the end of that where you could foresee something of the performance you were really going to get.
 
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Some of the above reminds me of how baffled I am that so many hate Riverdale but can tell me all about the show, and other hate-watching as well (and also movies), when I can't find the time to watch all the shows I WANT to see (or see again).

I've found in the last few years that it actually feels good to let a franchise go, as it clears off a bit so I can see what I want (though just because I firmly abstain from any other productions of said franchise, I might still watch some of the old stuff).

If it's crap, why reward them? Why give them endless chances to set it right? It seems to only encourage them. And they often seem willing to retcon a lot anyway if they get the notion to, so it might be wasting time to watch the crap even if it does get better (which isn't likely until they've stopped production for a few years).

I don't check it out as much today, but I recall some awesome fanfic (including crossovers that were actually awesome), and I say that as one who isn't looking for shipper fics (so I'm talking about a relatively small percentage of it). It might take some digging to find the gems, but at least studios would get the message to do better with higher quality even if that means sacrificing some quantity.
 
Some of the above reminds me of how baffled I am that so many hate Riverdale but can tell me all about the show, and other hate-watching as well (and also movies), when I can't find the time to watch all the shows I WANT to see (or see again).

I've found in the last few years that it actually feels good to let a franchise go, as it clears off a bit so I can see what I want (though just because I firmly abstain from any other productions of said franchise, I might still watch some of the old stuff).

If it's crap, why reward them? Why give them endless chances to set it right? It seems to only encourage them. And they often seem willing to retcon a lot anyway if they get the notion to, so it might be wasting time to watch the crap even if it does get better (which isn't likely until they've stopped production for a few years).

I don't check it out as much today, but I recall some awesome fanfic (including crossovers that were actually awesome), and I say that as one who isn't looking for shipper fics (so I'm talking about a relatively small percentage of it). It might take some digging to find the gems, but at least studios would get the message to do better with higher quality even if that means sacrificing some quantity.
This is why I haven’t watched more than a few episodes of Grey’s anatomy per season in the last few years. It’s just not the same caliber as it once was, and ABC is too greedy to let it go because it has the best ratings.

One show I will watch every new episode until eternity is Law&OrderSVU, no matter the quality of episode, because I’ve grown up with Olivia Benson, I will support her til I die! Also it was one of the first American network television shows on the Big Three (ABC, NBC, and CBS) that consistently had queer storylines. Even if they were depressing AF. Lol.
 
I'll need to see (I know, these words will sound like terrible clichés to some) pathos, gravitas and someone who might look young, but can manage to look ancient and older than their years.

I need to see him turn on a dime from all the fun and silliness (he may have to tone down the flamboyance) to the part of the role that's been neglected for the last few years... Think Time Lord Victorious. The part of the role that also calls on actors to get dead serious, fiercely intimidating or even a bit scary. It's certainly not a NuWho thing at all, either. The Doctor has always had that in him.

The Doctor has it in him to be absolutely ruthless in both how he runs away from attachments (romantic and otherwise--he knows he will ultimately leave everyone he's ever loved behind) and metes out fates to his enemies alike. He can be a complete arse and hypocrite (certainly is in regards to any claims of pacifism--and I don't just mean retconned Time War genocide angst--not his first genocide!). RTD needs to bring back some of this material pronto to remind an audience that might have forgotten at this point. Yes, the Doctor is wonderful, but he's a lot like Peter Pan, terrible qualities as well as all the childish adventurous fun.

The happy-go-lucky thing is a façade covering a much darker personality that has faced profound loss and carries the tired weight of eternity. Ncuti needs to understand this, because Jodie didn't know enough about the show to ever figure it out.

These are the things I'm not seeing in Ncuti's clips.

I think one of his early episodes really needs one of these moments where a Doctor who seems all goofball fun and bubbling joy on the surface just gets deadly serious and scary. "Nobody human has anything to say to me today!"

Until I see something deep and impactful of that nature, I'm going to be skeptical. I want something that will break my heart. I have a suspicion I won't be getting my romantic, tragic hero Doctors back, but I need more. RTD, luckily, does know how to write this and ironically was more cynical than "Everybody lives!" Moffat ever was. But I also hope Ncuti realizes he can't just reprise his own personality or his zany, flamboyant 'best of' Sexual Education performance clips, because the Doctor is a lot more than that.

Do a Jon Pertwee (comic actor who went out of his way to play it straight) and play against type. I'd be more impressed.

A lot of previous Doctors actually played quite a lot of VILLAINS. Before and after. Certainly true of Troughton, T. Baker and Tennant. You get a bit more idea of the weightier side of what those actors could bring, even from their work previous to the Doctor. These are actors who played roles like Rasputin and Barty Crouch, Jr. prior to the Doctor.

Actually, Troughton seems to have played an absolutely absurd number of priests. LOL.

Mostly eccentric (sometimes villainous) character actor parts are a pretty constant theme for previous actors in the role. Before and after they played the Doctor. Peter Davison, Paul McGann and Jodie Whittaker (especially her) probably had the least-eccentric filmographies of the bunch.

For all the flamboyance and sexiness of Tennant's Casanova (the role that literally got him the Doctor), the ending of that drama is actually deeply SAD. It's the end of that where you could foresee something of the performance you were really going to get.
Oh god THANK YOU.

This is what makes the Doctor special. It's a chance for guys who are normally stuck playing villains or weirdo parts or bit parts because they are too unconventional for leading hero roles like say James Bond, can finally get a chance to play the hero, not in spite of, but because they are weird.

For the Doctor think of actors like Tim Curry (in his prime) Julian Richings, etc.

I disagree however that Russell knows how to write the Doctor. He couldn't do it if his life depended on it. He was the one that got us away from the unconventional character actors and made the character a bland, straight forward good guy. Moffat did actually have a better idea of the character, but he lost his way as showrunner, whilst Chibnall I wouldn't trust to write a shopping list.
 
Oh god THANK YOU.

This is what makes the Doctor special. It's a chance for guys who are normally stuck playing villains or weirdo parts or bit parts because they are too unconventional for leading hero roles like say James Bond, can finally get a chance to play the hero, not in spite of, but because they are weird.

For the Doctor think of actors like Tim Curry (in his prime) Julian Richings, etc.

I disagree however that Russell knows how to write the Doctor. He couldn't do it if his life depended on it. He was the one that got us away from the unconventional character actors and made the character a bland, straight forward good guy. Moffat did actually have a better idea of the character, but he lost his way as showrunner, whilst Chibnall I wouldn't trust to write a shopping list.

Tim Curry would have made a great Doctor that's a good shout. The only thing with that is if he would be seen too much as like a villain style actor. It does bring up another interesting question? Does the Doctor have to be British? He/She always is I'm guessing because its a UK produced show, but given the genre and nature of the character there's nothing which says it has to be British.
 
As usual, I disagree with everything burrunjor has to say about NuWho, especially RTD's era.

I also disagree with some things he has to say about Classic, starting with the fact that the Doctor was never asexual and any statement to the contrary is a retcon. He was originally a grandfather, whether some fans in denial like it or not. Trying to pretend that Susan Foreman isn't even a biological Time Lady and not the Doctor's real flesh and blood are amongst the insane leaps of logic needed to make that idea work.

Jo Grant was the first companion to admit she basically had feelings for the Doctor, but ultimately had to find a substitute. And unlike Sarah Jane Smith admitting the same in School Reunion (but before that, there was a short story called Girls' Night In where a whole bunch of female companions admitted it, including her, Jo and even Tegan Jovanka), Jo did it all the way back in The Green Death. Nyssa also kissed the Doctor goodbye. Katy Manning completely contradicts the idea that Jo's feelings were in any way platonic and she didn't play it that way. There are two different times that the Doctor walks in on Jo kissing someone else (King Peladon and Cliff Jones). Then there was Romana, complete with Tom Baker and Lalla Ward outright saying they played it as the Doctor being in love and the fictional characters bled into their personal lives. One of the Eighth Doctor books (the '90s books went for more adult content) outright had Bernice Summerfield sleeping with the Doctor (oh, yes).

RTD got the Doctor amazingly well back then and gave us one of the greatest Doctors ever. Best of all, RTD's inspirations from Buffy/Angel made the reboot an absolute juggernaut in all the right ways. And I've seen/heard over 800 episodes. Make no mistake. David Tennant wins every poll still to this day and he's been gone from the role for 12 years. Tom Baker is usually second amongst the older set if recentism hasn't pipped him. Matt Smith is the only one who comes near Tennant's popularity in the NuWho era and does deserve some credit for breaking the American market (though Tennant began that). Pretty much the only hyped thing about the 60th anniversary is getting Tennant and Smith back.

For the record, Patrick Troughton is my second-favorite Doctor after David Tennant. Jamie McCrimmon is my second-favorite companion after Rose Tyler. You can be a fan of both.

And this was Tennant's actual most-internationally-famous performance pre-Doctor:
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Not exactly a "pretty" or "hero" role.
 
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Strange term utter desperation when you are talking about one of the best Who writers of his generation. That's a bit like a football team signing a world class striker and the press calling it utter desperation because the team had been performing badly.

But a television franchise is nothing like a football team.
RTD got the shiny new rebooted DW up and running and then left it in pretty safe hands with Moffat. Moffat handed it to Chibs when he started to fade (consensus seems to be that he stayed on too long) and then we got Chibs particular efforts.
Now, all through DW history the showrunner/producer who hand it over to a new person with a new vision, a new direction. But that's not happening here, what's happening is that the Beeb has offered RTD a lucrative deal so HE specifically can come back a right a badly listing ship.

Seems like desperation to me. Like what WB with Joss Whedon; offering him lots of cash to 'fix' the Justice League franchise and make it more like what Marvel was doing. Because that 'works'. It's not fresh and its not daring, its more calculated and desperate.

But hey, I hope Russell pulls it off a lot better than Whedon.
 
burrunjor
burrunjor
Completely agreed. I doubt Russell could do a worse job than Whedon though. There is nothing left to mess up with DW.
Buffy Summers
Buffy Summers
It’s like Chelsea bringing back Jose :D
As usual, I disagree with everything burrunjor has to say about NuWho, especially RTD's era.

I also disagree with some things he has to say about Classic, starting with the fact that the Doctor was never asexual and any statement to the contrary is a retcon. He was originally a grandfather, whether some fans in denial like it or not. Trying to pretend that Susan Foreman isn't even a biological Time Lady and not the Doctor's real flesh and blood are amongst the insane leaps of logic needed to make that idea work.

Jo Grant was the first companion to admit she basically had feelings for the Doctor, but ultimately had to find a substitute. And unlike Sarah Jane Smith admitting the same in School Reunion (but before that, there was a short story called Girls' Night In where a whole bunch of female companions admitted it, including her, Jo and even Tegan Jovanka), Jo did it all the way back in The Green Death. Nyssa also kissed the Doctor goodbye. Katy Manning completely contradicts the idea that Jo's feelings were in any way platonic and she didn't play it that way. There are two different times that the Doctor walks in on Jo kissing someone else (King Peladon and Cliff Jones). Then there was Romana, complete with Tom Baker and Lalla Ward outright saying they played it as the Doctor being in love and the fictional characters bled into their personal lives. One of the Eighth Doctor books (the '90s books went for more adult content) outright had Bernice Summerfield sleeping with the Doctor (oh, yes).

RTD got the Doctor amazingly well back then and gave us one of the greatest Doctors ever. Best of all, RTD's inspirations from Buffy/Angel made the reboot an absolute juggernaut in all the right ways. And I've seen/heard over 800 episodes. Make no mistake. David Tennant wins every poll still to this day and he's been gone from the role for 12 years. Tom Baker is usually second amongst the older set if recentism hasn't pipped him. Matt Smith is the only one who comes near Tennant's popularity in the NuWho era and does deserve some credit for breaking the American market (though Tennant began that). Pretty much the only hyped thing about the 60th anniversary is getting Tennant and Smith back.

For the record, Patrick Troughton is my second-favorite Doctor after David Tennant. Jamie McCrimmon is my second-favorite companion after Rose Tyler. You can be a fan of both.

And this was Tennant's actual most-internationally-famous performance pre-Doctor:
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Not exactly a "pretty" or "hero" role.

Bravo for demonstrating why New Who is a problem to the old.

In order to make the original and the revival fit with each other. You and other fans have to completely rewrite the past. This is like when people went on about Roger Delgado and Jon Pertwee having sexual chemistry with each other to make Missy fit, or saying the Morbius Doctors prove the Timeless Children, or the infamous DW has no canon, DW is all about change, gender bending time lords were always canon etc, all of which is what destroyed the entire series.

No the Doctor was not romantic in the original. You know who said that? William Hartnell! He was adamant that there be no sex in the show and that the Doctor be a grandfatherly figure. Also Waris Hussein who directed the original story, helped create the show and cast Hartnell said that Capaldi's Doctor was the best as he wasn't romantic!

Colin Baker and Peter Davison and Sylvester McCoy all criticised the revival for that.

Tom Baker states in an interview taken for Whose Doctor Who, a 70s docu taken whilst he was playing the role that the Doctor is one of the most limited roles he has ever played as there are so many things he can't do, one of which is romance!

Jon Pertwee was 100 percent adamant about it. Go watch an interview where he says as much. His exact words "The Doctor is completely asexual." He found the idea of the Doctor and Jo utterly repulsive. (Considering she was like 19 and he was like 56 I'm not surprised.)

Tom Baker and Romana? Similarly nothing on the show. Just because the actors were involved in real life. Means nothing! PS there were plenty of times during filming that they despised each other too. William Hartnell and Anneke Wills hated each others guts. Does that reflect in their performances?

There are stories that highlight him being asexual ffs including City of Death.

RTD did NOT bring the Doctor back. He completely changed everything about the character.

His motivation. Old Doctor travels because he wants to see the universe, and is a scientist with a strong sense of morals. He loves his life because of the freedom it gives him. New Doctor, travels because his people are gone and wants a normal life, and hates being a Time Lord.

His style. Old series he always tended to dress in Edwardian/Victorian era over the top fancy clothing to reflect the fact that he was a Jules Verne, Sherlock Holmes style archetype. The insufferable eccentric Victorian gentleman. His hair also tended to be big, flowing and messy to reflect his bohemian nature.New Who, Eccelston/Tennant dress in modern, trendy clothes and have normal hair cuts.

His moral code? In Old Who he is very practical and fair. He will kill an enemy if he has no other choice, and will use any weapon he needs. He prefers peaceful methods, but is not naive. New Who? He hates guns no matter what the situation and is irrational, going from killing people "no second chances" to hugging the Master.

Regeneration? In the old one, regeneration is a way of cheating death. It's just an advanced form of healing. His outer persona changes, but his core personality is the same and we see him develop across all of his lives. New Who? He makes out that when he regenerates he DOES die, Consciousness, core personality etc. It's all gone. All that goes on is memories.

And yes sexuality? In the old one, the Doctor whilst having a grand daughter, clearly by the time we see him isn't interested in having that type of relationship anymore. He is more focused on his work, he is constantly travelling, and he is also a lot older and of a different species to any of the young women he travelled with. New Who, he falls in love with Rose, a 19 year old. Someone 3 years older than his grand daughter, boasts about shagging Queen Elizabeth and has kinky bondagey sex with River Song among others.

Also yes Tennant and Eccelston were more conventional than Tom Baker. So what Tennant played a few villains? Doesn't mean he isn't conventional. Mark Hamill went on to play villains. Chris Sarandon who was very much a hunky leading man, still played a number of monstrous and quirky off beat villain roles. Point is that Tennant could and did go on to leading roles in crime dramas and rom coms. Tennant is what you would call conventional unconventional. IE he is maybe a bit more nerdy or quirky than say Sean Connery, but he could still play the romantic lead. Tom Baker meanwhile who is too eccentric is more like Tim Curry, IE someone who is type cast as villains or larger than life hams, and generally tends to appear in genre pictures or cult films. (And no this is not about looks btw, as Tim Curry has an unbelievable amount of fangirls and boys, but he obviously could never play Bond or the normal romantic lead because of his persona.)

Still don't believe me? Okay then lets take a look at the roles that convinced the producer to cast each actor as the Doctor shall we?

David Tennant won the role after Davies worked with him and saw his performance as Casanova.

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That's what made Davies think "he's our guy."

William Hartnell meanwhile? Got the role based on his sympathetic performance as a closeted gay man in a drama This Sporting Life, at a time when homosexuality was illegal, and as a horrible nasty army sergent in The Army Game.

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The role that made Verity Lambert think "that's our guy" There's a chance she was going for something different to Davies.

Tom Baker won it based on his performance as Rasputin and an evil Wizard in The Golden Voyage of Sinbad.

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Slightly different type of part to Casanova.

Jon Pertwee meanwhile was on their shortlist for his numerous rubber faced comedy roles.

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I don't think he and Pertwee are having the same kind of good time as Tennant and those women.

Might add he was their second choice. Their first was Ron Moody based on his performance as Fagan, but he turned them down. (He later said that he regretted it though and he would have been absolutely amazing, but I'm glad Pertwee took it as he was the best.)


He was very nearly almost the Doctor. Again you can see with him and Jon Pertwee being their top two choices how they weren't going for conventional leading men at all.

On top of this we also have more of a focus on soap opera than sci fi, shorter stories, all the story arcs from the original being abandoned, apart from Sarah, which is rewritten to being romantic, and other characters like the Cybermen and the Master being completely out of character, all of which makes New Who more of a remake, but it insists on linking itself to the original to be more popular and as a result fans like you who are desperate for it to fit, will try and rewrite the past.

I meanwhile see it like it is. True Who and New Who do not fit. Enjoy them as two seperate entities that have the same basic premise by all means, but stop trying to rewrite the original and worse stop trying to make out that they are the same show as in the long run, you are just stopping anything like the original from happening ever again. You want your romantic, sexy Doctor? Fine go ahead, but I would at least like an acknowledgment that yes the Master is not the Doctors lover in the original, the Doctor was not a romantic sexy lead in the original , so that perhaps one day someone can say "hmm let's try going back to that." Rather than buying into this lie that the original was always like that.
 
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You know what's also in Casanova?

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The ending isn't a happy one. It's a huge comeuppance for his behavior (the real story is even worse, but the story is otherwise fairly intact--Casanova accidentally slept with his own unbeknownst daughter, rather than his son committing the incest he's horrified by) with the only person ever really loved slipping through his fingers. The ending definitely feels regretful and bittersweet at best. It also involves getting shot in a duel. It's not just a bawdy sex comedy if you've actually seen it.

Painfully clear you haven't or don't remember it well.

And boy, do you twist yourself up in knots to ignore how Susan came to exist. The rest of what I said is all there plain as day and it's not just retroactive.

Not to mention the first Doctor to go around kissing (foreheads aside) was actually Paul McGann, who not only kissed Grace Holloway, but it was a plot point that the Doctor being half-human on his mother's side was the key to opening the Eye of Harmony. No matter the Spock ripoff, that makes for a much better Hybrid theory than the Timeless Child and would make 100% sense why the Doctor is so obsessed with Earth with a preference for human female companions if his mother was one! That would make his very self the product of interspecies procreation. It certainly would explain his inability to fit in and ostracization from Time Lord society, not to mention Susan being somehow likewise seen as tainted by someone who has a problem with it. All of that would be a helluva lot kinder to William Hartnell's legacy, explain the Doctor's obsession with Earth and fulfill the Hybrid requirement than the Timeless Child. Anyway, it was Rassilon who was obsessed with immortality past the regeneration limit, not the Doctor. The Timeless Child makes more sense as Rassilon, whose whole claim to fame on Gallifrey was finding the secret to immortality past death. Now, the Cartmel Master Plan (deeply unpopular in fandom) also had a being called the Other who got loomed into the TNA (Time Lord DNA) material that became the Doctor, but the Other most certainly was never a being calling herself the Doctor prior to the Doctor ever stealing his TARDIS and running away with Susan. And then there's the pre-Hartnell Morbius "Doctors", which make more sense in the context of the episode as faces of Morbius instead after the Doctor fights back mentally. Fandom loathed that insinuation in Tom Baker's era, too, and those faces are all the pasty, white faces of behind-the-scenes personnel.

First love interest for the Doctor was Cameca in The Aztecs with William Hartnell. I know. I know. He's a grandpa! Ew! Um, no. Clearly he had a love life some time in the distant past, "was a father once" and then a grandfather. Trying to asexualize him with the Cartmel Master Plan (Looms!) involved hardcore ignoring of Susan and was outright offensive to her character's relationship with her grandfather.

As for The City of Death line you keep trying to trot out, Tom Baker is literally talking to a deluded woman and accomplice of a villain who thinks she's married to a humanoid instead of a tentacle-faced, one-eyed alien splinter. "You're a beautiful woman, probably," is said in jest to someone who has been duped into a sham marriage and has been committing criminal acts for someone she hopes will love her back, but the Doctor knows never will. It says nada about the Doctor's sexuality or asexuality. The Doctor is a helluva lot more humanoid than Scaroth of the Jagaroth (splintered here as Count Scarlioni), not to mention a lot more sincere in his relationships with humans. Kind of an interesting contrast and paralleling of these two aliens. It's a lot like the Master making a mockery of the Doctor's relationships with human females by duping and taking a human wife (Lucy Saxon).
 
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I have seen Sex Education on Netflix. It’s hilarious. But it’s definitely not a kind of show that is for everyone. I do like it. and that actor is good can’t wait to see him as a the doctor. A role that is really different of playing Otis’s best friends teenager gay on Sex Education.
 
But a television franchise is nothing like a football team.
RTD got the shiny new rebooted DW up and running and then left it in pretty safe hands with Moffat. Moffat handed it to Chibs when he started to fade (consensus seems to be that he stayed on too long) and then we got Chibs particular efforts.
Now, all through DW history the showrunner/producer who hand it over to a new person with a new vision, a new direction. But that's not happening here, what's happening is that the Beeb has offered RTD a lucrative deal so HE specifically can come back a right a badly listing ship.

Seems like desperation to me. Like what WB with Joss Whedon; offering him lots of cash to 'fix' the Justice League franchise and make it more like what Marvel was doing. Because that 'works'. It's not fresh and its not daring, its more calculated and desperate.

But hey, I hope Russell pulls it off a lot better than Whedon.

I think them bringing RTD back is a sign of desperation but I think it's also a very smart move and RTD has been writing other shows since he left Doctor Who, it's been over 10 years and I think RTD writes differently now than he used to so while it is the same person coming back I think this version of Doctor Who is going to be new in most ways, or maybe not new but matured...which makes it new.

Some of the above reminds me of how baffled I am that so many hate Riverdale but can tell me all about the show, and other hate-watching as well (and also movies), when I can't find the time to watch all the shows I WANT to see (or see again).

I think if someone is watching a show, they probably don't truly hate it, Riverdale is a rare show that is incredibly fun/entertaining to watch despite it objectively not being good TV on the agreed upon levels. But as for Doctor Who, I hate all of Jodie's era but all I can say is that I don't find it taxing to spend an hour once a week for a couple of weeks watching it when it comes out (and I've never rewatched any of Jodie's episodes). I only watch at all because not a lot of shows compare to Doctor Who for me and it's like morbid curiosity, I want to know what is happening with my show.
 
Tim Curry would have made a great Doctor that's a good shout. The only thing with that is if he would be seen too much as like a villain style actor. It does bring up another interesting question? Does the Doctor have to be British? He/She always is I'm guessing because its a UK produced show, but given the genre and nature of the character there's nothing which says it has to be British.
Thanks Tim Curry was always my number 1 choice for the Doctor growing up, based on his performance in Clue, one of my favourite films. His performance in that is very like Tom Baker as the Doctor. Both wild eyed, hammy, posh English types.

I think part of why I took against Eccelston, was that he wasn't Tim Curry LOL. I remember being so disappointed when the 9th Doctor wasn't Tim Curry. Sadly Curry has retired from acting after his stroke. (For the most part, he's done a few roles, but obviously he is limited now which is a real shame, though obvs he has an unbelievable body of work behind him anyway, but he would have made the best Doctor.)

I don't mind a non English or non British Doctor. As long as he is a quirky, unconventional character/villain/comedy actor that's all that matters for me. Lam Ching Ying who played Mr Vampire in the classic Hong Kong series of horror films would have been a great choice. Sadly he passed away in 1998, but he had the right unusual look, commanding presence and natural eccentricity for the part.
 
All this talk of the original doctor, all this talk of what was, he really don't stand a chance of being much good again, but then again should we have a regeneration that gives him/her the personality and the behaviour of the doctors daughter, you know, when she was a nice person.
 
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