The Pack (Season 1)

I really like this episode, one of many that I will watch out of series on its own.

The scene where Xander turns on Willow is disturbing, sure, however I think it really highlights both Nicholas Brendon and Alyson Hannigan's acting abilities. He excels at being proper bad. She manages to encapsulate the wounded/betrayed reaction better than any other actress in any other scene IMHO. Excellent script writing.

D.
 
Over the years it became my alltime favourite episode. It was the first episode in which I realized I care for the characters in a way when I thought: "Oh, no, not Xander, he must remain of the good guys since I like him so much in the show!"
So, like many others here this is the episode which made me a hardcore-fan.
 
Over the years it became my alltime favourite episode. It was the first episode in which I realized I care for the characters in a way when I thought: "Oh, no, not Xander, he must remain of the good guys since I like him so much in the show!"
So, like many others here this is the episode which made me a hardcore-fan.

I agree. I believe that episode was when I started to really get into the show. I love that line of Buffy's after she sees Xander eating her croissant, "And the weird behavior award goes to..."

Ha! Classic. 😉

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Personally, I suspect that the possession merely brought out Xander's darker side or simply lifted the restraints. After all, he DID want Buffy, regardless of whether he was possessed or not.

But a possessed Xander is not the same as a souless Spike. Hmmm . . . I still find that hard to believe.

I'm too disgusted beyond words.

Whoa. I'm going to have to say I completely disagree. I don't believe in any way that deep down Xander wanted to rape Buffy...that is what you're implying, right?

Yeah, he had a crush on her...but I could never believe that Xander had any sinister desires towards Buffy or any desire to hurt her at all.

Many of the characters in the show have been possessed or under a spell in some way at some time and have done deplorable things yet have been forgiven on the basis that the were under a control they couldn't help.

What makes this situation with Xander any different? He was obviously mortified by what happened, as his remark to Giles illustrates at the end of the episode.
 
This is a great episode .

What about the Dodge Ball scene? LMFAO

Or just how it's so cool and dark.

A nugget of genius.
 
This is a great episode .

What about the Dodge Ball scene? LMFAO

Or just how it's so cool and dark.

A nugget of genius.

...really? I thought the dodgeball scene was very dark and kind of depressing. I mean, Xander really hurt Willow, both physically and mentally when he was chucking those balls at her. And then he started hitting that kid for no reason.

But if you think it's hilarious...different strokes for different folks. :thought:
 
The Pack

OK, so I'll start off by saying this is one of my top ten favourite episodes (as some others have already mentioned). Interestingly enough it's the only Season 1 episode that makes it into my top ten favourites which I think shows just how much of a departure it was from the tone of the rest of the season.

Some have said it was a bit darker than the other season 1 episodes, and with the exception of "Prophecy Girl" I think that's probably abour right. But then, since "Prophecy Girl" was a finale and potentially the last episode of the show, it had to be a bit darker.

"The Pack" then was Joss telling the viewers what the show COULD be if it kept going. It was him giving us a glimpse into where he wanted to take things - especially by using the regular characters to do it. I much preferred the dark version of Xander introduced in this episode to the dark version of Willow that was attempted later on. I think this one played out a lot better.

And, like most early episodes of the show, this one had a clear high school metaphore to go with the literal demon storyline of the show. The episode dealt with high school bullies and the 'pack' mentality that these bullies assumed. It was meant to show that these people only really bullied the weak, and did so in large numbers - often with one person leading the group...

It's interesting then that Xander (who until he's possesed IS one of the people bullied) assumes the leadership role after he is possessed by a hyena. I know some have argued that the predatory nature lay dormant in Xander and was simply unleashed, but I think of it instead as Xander's leadership abilities who had previously lay dormant being unleashed albiet in a darker way. He is, after all one of the scooby gang and we do know he is capable of some pretty heroic stuff. I think it's also because he was at the time saving Lance, and therefore asserting himself as the alpha male out of the group.

Incidentally take a look at Willow's clothes which fluctuate in season 1 between being incredibly nerdy and borderline hip/quirky. Apparently Joss kept dressing her down (trying to play up her nerdiness) but the producers wanted her looking a little 'cooler'.

The music in this episode is also something to notice, especially the song played early on at the Bronze "Reluctant Man" and the later scene where they are walking through the schoolyard.

Incidentally did anybody notice that the blonde bully only has one line? "Crunchy"

Was it wrong that I was more upset about the death of Herbert the school mascot than I was at the fact that Flutie got eaten? heh. Also, did anybody notice the amusing forshadowing of season four when Willow and Xander were studying?

Xander: "Explain why I have to learn this."
Willow: "Cause otherwise you'll flunk math."
Xander: "Explain how that's bad."
Willow: "Oh you know, you fail math, you flunk out of school, you end up being the guy who sweeps the floors at the pizza place and says 'hey kids, where's the cool parties this weekend?'"

He he! Poor season 4 Xander 😉

I love the Dodge ball scene incidentally...all the memories of traumatic gym classes come back here 😉

As for Xander's 'felony sexual assault', I think it was simply the primal animal spirit acting on the desire to mate. Xander himself would never have attempted to do that, whereas Spike was acting as Spike - out of frustration and desperation. Dont' see it as much of a comparison really.

OK, enough of my rambling.
 
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Great post!
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Are you going to write a novel?
I've never thought of this episode as a "Dark Xander" one before - great point 🙂 Though this isn't my favorite episode, I do agree that it's well done.

And lol Season 4 Xander 😀
 
tvnerdgirl said:
OK, so I'll start off by saying this is one of my top ten favourite episodes (as some others have already mentioned). Interestingly enough it's the only Season 1 episode that makes it into my top ten favourites which I think shows just how much of a departure it was from the tone of the rest of the season. ........ (insert the rest of the post here)



WOW, GREAT dissection of the episode. I never really thought of them as foreshadowing Xander's Season 4 future, but I have sometimes thought back to that moment and giggled over the irony when I watch S4 eps now. 😉
I LOVE "The Pack". I was sad when Principal Flutie got eaten, but also sadder when Herbert was eaten, too.
I may have to go watch this episode now... LOL
 
Thanks! I just tried to remember everything that I noticed, and how it made the episode a little quirkier given some of the things that happen later on. It helps that this is one of my favourite episodes.
 
totally love the episode! I liked Xander's change into a little darker character. I actually think Nick pulled it off nicely. He did look extra spiffy that day 😉

Seriously though, I enjoy the episode, and it is my favorite of season 1. I loved the Giles moment:

"OH God he's turning into a 16 year old boy...You have to kill him."
 
I liked this episode. I think it was cool to give Xander the spot light. Especially so early in the series. Nicholas playing a darker character was definatly a treat. He's so talented. He's able to switch back and forth and still keep it so believable. I feel bad for the pig though. He was so cute. =[ Poor little guy.
 
Well this episode made me lulz, I must say.
If there were ever an amazing animal to get all possessed by, the random dog scrounger from Africa wouldn't be my first choice. To this day, when Lemon and I are playing dodgeball on the wii, there's a point at which you smack one of your teammates in the head, and I scream BUFFY whenever it happens. Hoorah for turning on your own.

Lots of Love,
Forrest
 
I like this episode as showed that there could be another side to Xander. It's a great pity that Buffy didn't take the hint about his feelings towards her!
 
If she did, it would have been nice if she could've done something about it. It would've saved the country music scence later in the season.
 
The Pack isn't one of my favorite episodes out of the entire Buffy series.
I will say that it is one of my favorites out of season 1.
For some reason I loved the gym scene.
When the entire pack was left on one side of the gym with the "nerd" and then it was just Buffy on the other side by herself.
Instead of all throwing the dodgeballs at Buffy, they turned on their own player.
All in all it was a pretty great episode, there wouldn't be anything i'd change about it I don't think.
 
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