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I always wondered how willow and Tara supported themselves, they are the only ones who don't seem to have jobs and I can't imagine Tara's family giving her any hand outs.
The Thing You Disliked Most About S6?
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Mr Trick
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But then they are students for most of the show. So maybe they lived off grants? I know this could have been explained a bit better, but that could be one reason, and certainly its possible that Willow's parents would help to support her.
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Mr Trick
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Very true🙂 I do wonder if their the sort who would just throw money at a problem like that though. Like, "Oh if he give Willow money for living off then maybe she won't give us any hassle".😛
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Possibly. Though it was never really explored, Willow's parents did always seem to be off somewhere travelling in the early seasons, so they must have had some
money. Probably not as much as Cordy's folks, but that was down to not paying any tax (Her dad should have run for president 😉 )
In the later seasons I don't remember Willow even mentioning her parents?
money. Probably not as much as Cordy's folks, but that was down to not paying any tax (Her dad should have run for president 😉 )
In the later seasons I don't remember Willow even mentioning her parents?
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Season 6 was in my opinion the worst season they'd ever done which is strange as one of my favourite episodes is 'Normal Again'. It doesn't matter how many times I watch it the episode always gives me chills. Was Buffy Verse actually a very real part of her life or is was it all an illusion and she never left the asylum? *shudders*
I can't really pinpoint actual reasons for why I disliked 6 so much. I remember seeing Tara in the credits for the first time thinking 'Finally she's a series regular!' only for Whedon to kill her in the very same episode! Thanks a lot Joss.
I can't really pinpoint actual reasons for why I disliked 6 so much. I remember seeing Tara in the credits for the first time thinking 'Finally she's a series regular!' only for Whedon to kill her in the very same episode! Thanks a lot Joss.
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Because the realistic aspect has been brought up...
I often see people in the fandom rave about how realistic and amazing the portrayal of Buffy's depression is in season 6 and it honestly surprises me. No intent to diss SMG's work, she's amazing as usual and really does the best she can with what she's given. The problem isn't so much with the depression but how it's resolved and handled. So the show wanted to portray a leading character suffering depression for an entire season and that's admirable. But because of the way they handled it, it's extremely irresponsible. Not only does not one of Buffy's friends realize what's happening with her or offering any sort of help, but by the end of the season she somehow sees the light and starts getting better without any sort of therapy, medication or even basic introspection. I get that Buffy has always been into action more than introspection but it still doesn't make sense. And just 2/3 episodes before she experienced 2 extremely traumatic events they're somehow glossed over and we're supposed to believe that someone suffering depression will not really care all that much about being nearly raped and shot. But this is all okay because when the end of the world is right around the corner, she realizes that she actually wants to live and see her friends and sister (who apparently didn't care enough about her to realize what was happening with her) happy. I love the scoobies, but this whole season makes it hard for me to feel like they really care about each other.
Anyway, I understand people relating to what she goes through in that season but to say that this is the the best portrayal of a depression on TV when it's pretty much handled like a joke is a bit much. And in my opinion, if you're going to have your lead suffer depression for an entire season, then do it right.
I often see people in the fandom rave about how realistic and amazing the portrayal of Buffy's depression is in season 6 and it honestly surprises me. No intent to diss SMG's work, she's amazing as usual and really does the best she can with what she's given. The problem isn't so much with the depression but how it's resolved and handled. So the show wanted to portray a leading character suffering depression for an entire season and that's admirable. But because of the way they handled it, it's extremely irresponsible. Not only does not one of Buffy's friends realize what's happening with her or offering any sort of help, but by the end of the season she somehow sees the light and starts getting better without any sort of therapy, medication or even basic introspection. I get that Buffy has always been into action more than introspection but it still doesn't make sense. And just 2/3 episodes before she experienced 2 extremely traumatic events they're somehow glossed over and we're supposed to believe that someone suffering depression will not really care all that much about being nearly raped and shot. But this is all okay because when the end of the world is right around the corner, she realizes that she actually wants to live and see her friends and sister (who apparently didn't care enough about her to realize what was happening with her) happy. I love the scoobies, but this whole season makes it hard for me to feel like they really care about each other.
Anyway, I understand people relating to what she goes through in that season but to say that this is the the best portrayal of a depression on TV when it's pretty much handled like a joke is a bit much. And in my opinion, if you're going to have your lead suffer depression for an entire season, then do it right.
Carrie Hopewell
YES! I've said it so many times! Buffy's depression isn't realistic or even very relatable. I don't understand why fans keep saying that season 6 is hard to appreciate because it's so dark and real
thetopher
BtVS was always better at 'monsters as metaphor' than 'real life angst'. They were terrible at the real life stuff.
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I was going to give you karma, but then decided to quote you and ended up giving karma anyway 🙄.
Like I was saying: I don't understand why fans keep saying that season 6 is hard to appreciate because it's so dark and real. The first time I watched that season I myself had been through a depressive episode. Now, I'm depressed and often remember Angel in Amends or Reprise/Epiphany when I'm down and want to feel less alone. Angel in s2 isn't an accurate portrayal of depression (nor does it try to be) because of how after Epiphany everything is just swell! However, Angel's existential crisis, pulling away from his friends, his anger, his cynicism, his struggle with trying to remain detached but still feeling worry and guilt for not helping the helpless or his friends and, finally, Angel's beautiful epiphany and the hopefulness of turning a new page, are, to me, very relatable to those with depression and who are just lonely and hurting. I often think about Angel and his struggles, but I never thought Buffy was relatable in that aspect. Buffy was, fundamentally, meant to be a superhero. Angel was meant to be the tortured love interest. Angel's character was built on his emotions - guilt, loneliness, regret, anger, sadness - which, imo, makes him the only character on the Buffyverse that accurately portrays melancholy and being lost. When they attempted that same idea with Buffy, but without fully committing to it - thinking that Buffy screwing Spike was, oh so scandalous, and proof enough that Buffy was in pain - they failed. I didn't see an actual depression or even the journey of someone going through a really though time. There was no development throughout the season, no moments of true introspection (besides that famous one in Dead Things), no gradual progress of healing. "Who cares about Spike nearly raping me - Dawn, why don't you go to him, you'll be safe there" 😵. "Being shot and nearly dying again? Meh, next" Like you said, all of a sudden she saw the light and was a-ok in Lessons.
Still, I do know some people found Buffy in s6 helpful, and that's great, truly. However, I don't really see that and still find everything about the season unrealistic, soap-y and purposefully shocking (ooooh Spuffy, ooooh Anya is left at the altar, ooooh Dawn steals - whatever happened with that plot?)
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You know, this is just one of the many things where I shake my head when people argue about S6 being oh so adult and that's what people supposedly can't handle.
Buffy, at age 17, realized all on her own that newly returned from hell Angel might have a bit of a problem adjusting to being back. But the collective Scoobie gang at age 20, including a middle aged man, don't come to the conclusion that someone newly returned from the land of the dead might have a bit of trouble adjusting? Adult, not.
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And that's minimum on getting a gun (you also have to be 21 in California to even purchase a handgun), local ordinances usually add further obstacles (it can be frustrating as what is required for transporting a gun in one county can become a felony in the next county over). His trying to buy a gun as he did would've just pointed the cops his way who were looking for him then (here in the USA, attacking an armored truck will be treated more seriously than a psycho-stalker attacking a mother with her baby, and btw a guy I used to know at a shooting range drove armored trucks for a living, or used to, and he said they're REQUIRED to use their guns in all attempts of robbery upon the truck, the truck and its contents more valuable than the lives of those who protect it).
There are ways around that, and during season 6 I just assumed Warren got that gun from his mother who may have had it for all sorts of reasons. But I was like WTF when they showed how he got it (in the season 7 bit), and guns on public display so they'll be strictly watched (and I believe I saw musical instruments about which make me think it was a pawn shop, and they're typically even watched more closely than gun shops since gun shop owners have more incentive to learn and abide by all local, state, and federal laws and requirements). That is to say, Warren did everything wrong he could in trying to get a gun, and realistically he'd be behind bars for having made the attempt.
Ironically, I find it much easier to suspend my belief for androids and freeze rays than the "realistic" aspects (from getting a gun to becoming an addict at rock bottom, and I found Beer Bad less cringe-worthy than Rack's arc, though the actor who plays him is good, and I even give him bonus points for playing Rack with a straight face).
Xander leaving Anya at the alter. I think that made no logical sense at all for him to do when he knew he loved her and wanted to be with her. He makes it pretty clear in the rest of the season and s7 that he made a big mistake.
Buffy being peer pressured into thinking she should be ashamed of her actions with Spike. Spike is what he is but so was Angel and if Angel lost his soul again he would be just as bad as Spike.
I don't understand how she couldn't love Spike or at least like him when she loved Angel even after s2. At least Spike has a personality.
Buffy being peer pressured into thinking she should be ashamed of her actions with Spike. Spike is what he is but so was Angel and if Angel lost his soul again he would be just as bad as Spike.
I don't understand how she couldn't love Spike or at least like him when she loved Angel even after s2. At least Spike has a personality.
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I agree. I think being brought back from the dead was enough to send Buffy into depression - the bills storyline did not make sense and appeared very forced, they could have tried another angle with this one, obviously Buffy needed to find a job because the money her mother left her would make her and her sister survive for a while but not forever. I don't see why they didn't have Willow and Tara working to help Buffy, she could still be depressed even with her friends helping her out. I don't think the writers thought this one through.
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