The Thing You Disliked Most About S6?

[Yosso]

Oh, I forgot about the episode when Riley returns. I hated that. It annoyed me that he married a super soldier woman who could kick ass, when he left Buffy because she was strong and didn't need him to protect her. Neither did Sam. It didn't really make sense to me... Also, the way he left was somewhat poetic. I wish they'd left it at that.

If Riley never came back after "Into the Woods" that would have been sufficient for me too. I'll probably need to rewatch "As You Were" to make a properly informed decision about this, but I think Riley was ok with Buffy being physically stronger than him. It was her not being emotionally open to him that he couldn't handle. I don't think we find out enough about Riley's relationship with Sam to say that their relationship was the same as Buffy/Riley.

But I reckon, Sam is probably able to open up to Riley in a way Buffy never felt she could and also they're pretty equal in terms of everything - physical ability, emotional resilience etc. Whereas Buffy always had the "upper hand" in Buffy/Riley. I think I remember talking about this in another thread haha. Also, I don't think Riley ever had a problem with strong women. Going by his choice to be with Sam, he seems to prefer them.

 

[Ethan Reigns]

I thought Sam and Riley were an ideal match - much better than Buffy and Riley. Sam is very supportive of everyone she meets (except the enemy, of course). Buffy was incapable of being part of a relationship at the time Riley left. Sam and Riley could share all their adventures whereas Buffy and Riley could fight side-by-side for years and never share anything.

It all comes down to baggage.

 

[slayer6]

I know it is a small thing but the thing I hate most his how tough xander acts towards spike. we all know he would act differently if spike did not have that chip in his head. If xander did get tough when the chip was out he would have gotten thrown through a wall. I like xander most of the time except in these moments

 

[EVIL UU]

[MENTION=12495]slayer6[/MENTION]

If spike did not have that chip in his head he would have been dust, it's the only thing that keeps him undead. Anyway...

If xander did get tough when the chip was out he would have gotten thrown through a wall

You mean, like when he got tough and stopped Angelus? Or Jack the zombie? Or all those vampires and demons? Never seen him being thrown through a wall. Now, the idea that Xander in season 6 would be scared of Spike, with chip or without it, is completely groundless and ridiculous. Better yet, here's some food for thought. Spike is an act, it's a persona William created for himself, he may act like a tough guy but it's all fake. Xander on the other hand IS a tough guy, surviving as the slayer's knight without any sort of superpowers for so many years places his testicles in DooM marine sized territory.

 

[Bluebird]

I really don't have much beef with season 6 - I think it had a lot of good points. Tara's death, to me, seemed to fit in well with the tone of the season. Hers wasn't a grand heroic death, just a stray bullet. Hey, life is crap like that.

The only thing I had a bit of a problem with was Willow's drug-addled state when she was 'high' on magic. Sometimes it was done well and other times it was the most over the top, stereotypical bashing you over the head with metaphor. The show was usually a lot more subtle than that, and tbh it was a tad embarrassing.

 

[NightLady]

I love Season 6.

It's the one season that totally changed my view of BTVS. To me, it went from being an awesome - sometimes funny, sometimes scary, sometimes meaningful "“ supernatural teen-targeted show to an unforgettable, realistic (as much as it was possible, given the genre, of course) adult oriented show, that's different from all the others.

It's the one season where the writers were the most brave. They showed us the darkest side of the characters we loved and didn't look for easy exits: people can do good and they can do bad. They can do good things for bad reasons and bad things for good reasons. It's all about choices and growth and taking responsibilities.

Of course, it wasn't all perfect. Some plot devices were poorly executed as other users already pointed out, but overall I feel they were minor ones and didn't change the message that was supposed to get to the viewer.

Anyway, if I had to point one thing I didn't like, it would be the Willow arc. Her changes and all the magic = drug metaphor didn't really convince me. I've always felt that Willow's issue was more about wanting the power then being addicted to magic.


[MENTION=6758]white avenger[/MENTION]
As a Spike fan, I share your sentiment, but I also think that as much as they were painful, those events were necessary. After I don't know how many episodes going on with the "I can't love you because you are evil" and "I'm ashamed to let my friends know" lines, something had to happen. Something had to make Buffy realize she had to put a stop to their relationship, something huge had to make Spike want to go look for his soul. They couldn't suddenly come to those decisions or I believe we would have ended up asking "why now?" and it would have become another (big) poorly executed plot.

 

[slayer6]

well I actually love season six as with every other season but one thing that made me the angriest about the show in general was buffy's selfishness when it came to dawn and protecting her at the expense of the rest of humanity. I mean yes it worked out but she was perfectly willing to let the world suffer and die at the hands of demons so that her"sister" could live. I mean really it kind of got my blood pressure up. it's not like the key would even be human after anyway so what is the point i'm sorry. oh and I also can not stand dawn as a character anyway shes so whiney and annoying I personally think it would have been better if they killed her off anyway

 

[Evil Angelus 95]

well I actually love season six as with every other season but one thing that made me the angriest about the show in general was buffy's selfishness when it came to dawn and protecting her at the expense of the rest of humanity. I mean yes it worked out but she was perfectly willing to let the world suffer and die at the hands of demons so that her"sister" could live. I mean really it kind of got my blood pressure up. it's not like the key would even be human after anyway so what is the point i'm sorry. oh and I also can not stand dawn as a character anyway shes so whiney and annoying I personally think it would have been better if they killed her off anyway

So...you think it's wrong that Buffy wanted her sister to have a normal life, after everything that happened with Dawn being the Key and having to watch her Sister sacrifice herself to save her?

Remember, Buffy was dealing with, what is most likely, a mix of PTSD and depression. Given the mix, it's pretty safe to say that Buffy might not have been thinking clearly, but still, she was at least trying. Buffy didn't see Dawn as the Key. She saw Dawn as her sister, fully human or not. They shared the same blood, and henceforth, were family. That's why Dawn having a normal life was important to Buffy. Remember all the times Buffy wished (In Seasons 1-3) that she could have a normal life? She wanted Dawn to have something that she could never have.

In response to Dawn being "whiney and annoying", take into account what she's been through from Season 5 up to Season 6. She's found out that all her memories, her entire life, is a lie. She's nearly been chased and sought after by Glory for most, if not all, of Season 5. She's watched numerous people close to her get hurt and die because of what she is (Spike, Tara, Buffy). She had to deal with Joyce, the person she regards as her Mother, dying. She deals with all of this in a relatively short amount of time. And then, once she is finally starting to settle into a fairly normal routine, Willow brings Buffy back from Heaven. Dawn is the one who finds her and brings her out of her 'confused' state. Dawn can't do anything to help Buffy deal with her depression. Do you know how helpless a feeling that can be? To see and know that someone you love is in pain and there's nothing, absolutely nothing, you can do about it? So, excuse me if I find the statement that she was 'whiney and annoying' just a tad bit simple-minded.

 

[Robb Stark]

I find the metaphors in S6 to be very, glaringly, on the nose, to the point at times where I roll my eyes a little bit. I think Joss and Marti Noxon tried to get into some deeper themes that they really didn't understand, and that resulted in a finished product that at times came across as hammy.

I do like S6, but I have to disagree, strongly, when people say "oh, it's so realistic". It isn't anymore than any of the other seasons, it just tries to be harder.

 

[slayer6]

how about when he tried to stop spike from leaving the appt and spike knocked him out with one punch chip and all

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@ Evil Angelus 95
Normal life? Dawn would have been back to a ball of energy and the entire world would suffer at the hands of demons so yes it is wrong what she did

 

[Evil Angelus 95]

@ Evil Angelus 95
Normal life? Dawn would have been back to a ball of energy and the entire world would suffer at the hands of demons so yes it is wrong what she did

I'm just trying to understand why you think that Dawn doesn't deserve a normal life. Yes, she is still technically the Key, but she is also, for all intents and purposes, a human being as well. She bleeds, she feels, she hurts, all of those being emotions that humans feel.

The way Buffy went about trying to give her a normal life was a little off and not executed well, I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't have tried.

 

[slayer6]

[MENTION=11631]Evil Angelus 95[/MENTION]
I am not saying I don't think she deserves a normal life I am saying that buffy risking the rest of the world so no body will kill Dawn was selfish because the only thing to gain is Dawn's last seconds of consciousness would be Dawn being bled out instead of Giles or someone else ending it quickly because she would lose all consciousness regardless. what she deserves has nothing to do with it because there were 2 scenarios known to them at the time.

1. They don't kill Dawn and she is bled out by Glory to open the portal to the other dimensions and then Dawn turns back into a ball of energy with no human consciousness.


2. They kill Dawn thus destroying the key which ends her consciousness anyway.

 

[white avenger]

I'm just trying to understand why you think that Dawn doesn't deserve a normal life.

She bleeds, she feels, she hurts, all of those being emotions that humans feel.

Plus, quite frequently, she annoyed in a moderate to great extent.

 

[Evil Angelus 95]

[MENTION=11631]Evil Angelus 95[/MENTION]
I am not saying I don't think she deserves a normal life I am saying that buffy risking the rest of the world so no body will kill Dawn was selfish because the only thing to gain is Dawn's last seconds of consciousness would be Dawn being bled out instead of Giles or someone else ending it quickly because she would lose all consciousness regardless. what she deserves has nothing to do with it because there were 2 scenarios known to them at the time.

1. They don't kill Dawn and she is bled out by Glory to open the portal to the other dimensions and then Dawn turns back into a ball of energy with no human consciousness.


2. They kill Dawn thus destroying the key which ends her consciousness anyway.

Ok, that I can understand where you're coming from on that. Sorry if I seemed a little aggressive in those responses. I'm a little defensive of Dawnie. 😱

True, Buffy risking the world to save Dawn was a little reckless and irresponsible, but hasn't she always operated that way? How many times has she done something that risked the world? Angel could have killed her in "Graduation Day" by draining her. In theory, she risked the world by risking her life to save him. In Season 6, she risked the world by trying to save Willow from the Dark Magicks.

All of those were, although reckless, done with good intentions, and such, the scenarios ended up better than they were.

Plus, quite frequently, she annoyed in a moderate to great extent.

True, but then again, she basically is a teenager, even though she's technically 2 in Season 6 😛

 

[slayer6]

Ok, that I can understand where you're coming from on that. Sorry if I seemed a little aggressive in those responses. I'm a little defensive of Dawnie. 😱

True, Buffy risking the world to save Dawn was a little reckless and irresponsible, but hasn't she always operated that way? How many times has she done something that risked the world? Angel could have killed her in "Graduation Day" by draining her. In theory, she risked the world by risking her life to save him. In Season 6, she risked the world by trying to save Willow from the Dark Magicks.

All of those were, although reckless, done with good intentions, and such, the scenarios ended up better than they were.



True, but then again, she basically is a teenager, even though she's technically 2 in Season 6 😛

I can see those points somehow the dawn thing seems different. I mean at least with the Angel thing another slayer takes her place. I am curious how she risked the world by trying to save willow do you mean instead of killing willow?

 

[Evil Angelus 95]

I can see those points somehow the dawn thing seems different. I mean at least with the Angel thing another slayer takes her place. I am curious how she risked the world by trying to save willow do you mean instead of killing willow?

Well, technically there wouldn't have been another Slayer if Angel had killed her. She's already died once, so Kendra was called. Once Kendra was killed, Faith was called. The only way a new Slayer would be called would be if Faith was killed. Since we all know she wasn't killed in her fight with Buffy during that episode, the Scoobies would have been completely Slayerless.

Yes, that's kinda what I mean. I mean, there have to be some people out there (I'm not one of them. I love my little red-headed Witch! 😀) that have thought at some point that Buffy should have killed Willow when she went Dark. Again, that wouldn't have been the right thing to do, but that's an entirely different topic.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

As with every season of the show, I'm sure there's one thing about S6 that we dislike. So, what's yours?

Hmm, where to start? Firstly, S6 is actually my favorite season - I adore the darkness of it - but hat doesn't mean I don't acknowledge its serious flaws.

I dislike the Trio. They're just irritating. Also, the whole Willow as Big Bad/Addiction story line is tiring and contrived.

That said, there's a lot of interesting stuff in this season - Dawn's kleptomania, Xander and Anya's falling-out, seeing Buffy explore and how she chooses to deal with her depression is interesting, and her mutually abusive relationship with Spike is all kinds of fascinating.

 

[chasesummers]

The things I disliked from Season 6 were:

1. The really annoying Trio, they shouldn't even have had one episode, and how the hell did Warren shoot Tara, the angle is kinda weird but anyway.

2. Spike and Spuffy, all the way. Probably what annoyed me the most, the whole thing with Spike is crap to me (fast forward Spuffy moments)

I can't remember anything else, I like how dark the season was and I definitely enjoyed it, unfortunately it came with loads of annoying moments.

 

[SallySparrow]

Buffy season 4 and Buffy season 6 have a lot in common in that I feel their overall arc was weak and pretty scattered. However, season 4 has more going for it on the individual episode front. A lot of hidden gems ("Pangs," "Fear Itself" to name a few) along with classics like "Hush" and "Restless". Season 6 lacks on the individual episode front (it has a lot of mini arcs) and that really brings it down in my mind. Of course, "OMWF" is classic, "Tabula Rasa" is funny and "Normal Again" is all mind bendy, but there isn't much else that really sticks out individually (side note: An episode I really love that is under-appreciated is "Life Serial," but that could just be a me thing 🙄).

I am ok with Spuffy. I can tolerate Willow's magic addiction (though I agree the metaphor is too on the nose). The Trio is alright (their lame-ness is half their point). I bought into Tara's death, but I'm personally still a little bitter about Joss taking away perhaps the best relationship on the show.

So yeah, a lot of "meh" in season 6. A meh season with only a few great stand alone episodes.

 

[Joan the Vampire Slayer]

I think he's the worst possible match for Buffy.

Really? Interesting. How so?